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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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gozunda

easypazz wrote: »

Isn't there some lad on here every hour saying about no herd immunity and its out of control in Sweden etc.
And all the experts have debunked herd immunity blah blah blah

I dont know? Tbh you seem to be one of the frequent posters on this thread. Perhaps you mean your own repeated comments regarding "Stockholm" and some completely unproven theory that you think is going to save everyone?

You do understand there is a difference between having antibodies, full immunity and the critical percentage of any population required for your theoretical 'herd immunity"?

No, no and no? I can understand that tbh...

niallo27

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I can guarantee you pal that come what may I will not be setting foot on an airplane in 2020 and very likely in 2021 as well.

Are you that afraid of this, tell me to **** off if you want but are you in a more vulnerable group.

timmy_mallet

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

From the Irish Times

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-community-infection-numbers-not-falling-as-much-as-we-would-like-1.4246650

Tony dropping hints, not good enough yet.

And it isn't. 265 new cases.

We are not in the right place.

The reality for Tony is that people are comfortable with those figures and higher, they've accepted it, and are moving on.

tobefrank321

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

In the absence of a vaccine foreign holiday travel in 2021 will be very doubtful too I would think.

Unless you are over 80 and/or are clinically obese or have a number of serious underlying conditions there's probably more chance of you dying in a plane crash than from covid 19.

Healthy people need to get over the fear of covid 19. If you have a healthy immune system you will be fine.

Be concerned for the seriously ill who you should be distancing from in any case.

Its very likely many Irish people already had covid 19 and didn't even know it.

easypazz

timmy_mallet wrote: »

The reality for Tony is that people are comfortable with those figures and higher, they've accepted it, and are moving on.

And on Monday week the floodgates will open.

tobefrank321

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

From the Irish Times

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-community-infection-numbers-not-falling-as-much-as-we-would-like-1.4246650

Tony dropping hints, not good enough yet.

And it isn't. 265 new cases.

We are not in the right place.

Will we be in the right place when all the Bewleys, Debenhams, etc are shutdown? And they are just the tip of the iceberg.

mandrake04

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

More good news, for us this time

"
A COVID-19 antibody test, said to be 99.8% accurate, could soon be available in Ireland.

The test has been developed by Swiss giant Roche Diagnostics and has already been approved for use in the US.

The company, which has a base in Dublin, said its Elecsys test has a specificity greater than 99.8% and sensitivity of 100% - meaning it gives no false negative results and only one in 500 false positives.

The antibody test indicates whether a patient has been exposed to the virus and recovered."

Boy i'd love this. I got to fly to Spain end of August, would be pretty handy to get such test, hopefully I've had covid and off I go enjoying beer in south of Spain without any fears of being stopped at checkpoints for mask inspection whatnot.

These tests only work on electsys 601/602/801, these are common enough analyser around the world. Ireland has some but they are used in hospitals for running hospital work like Troponin, bHCG eg. but a lot of hospitals and labs have a mixture of other brands like Beckman and Abbott etc. they have their own tests that maybe not so reliable.

Unless they have already hedged their bets on Roche bringing out this test and ordered analysers a few months ago just for serology there no way they have the capacity to run antibody tests for greater population so they can swan of on a pissup to some virus infected shit hole

I think you need to forget about Spain and book a ticket to a place called reality.

Ginger n Lemon

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Will we be in the right place when all the Bewleys, Debenhams, etc are shutdown? And they are just the tip of the iceberg.

I fear that some people will chose A over B.

A) No new cases of covid 19

50% unemployment in the state

Kermit.de.frog

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Will we be in the right place when all the Bewleys, Debenhams, etc are shutdown?

Austria had 34 new cases today and 2 deaths.

We have 265 new cases and 37 deaths.

We are just not at that point.

tobefrank321

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Trump doesn't because he is an idiot.

1,747 new deaths today across the US, total 74,018 so far.

Sadly, it's going to get epic over there.

Given that our deaths per million would be very similar to America's I do not get your obsession with or belief that America is far worse than elsewhere.

Per capita they are doing far better than many European countries.

timmy_mallet

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Will we be in the right place when all the Bewleys, Debenhams, etc are shutdown? And they are just the tip of the iceberg.

His job is to protect his job. Until there are 0 cases hes likely to advise against opening anything. Why would he?

timmy_mallet

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I fear that some people will chose A over B.

A) No new cases of covid 19

50% unemployment in the state

But sure the economy will recover! You cant revive the dead!

Penfailed

easypazz wrote: »

The country is sick of that donkey. He will be voted off soon. Nobody watches his tripe anymore.

There's a VERY good chance he'll be voted back in again unfortunately.

Cork Boy 53

niallo27 wrote: »

Are you that afraid of this, tell me to **** off if you want but are you in a more vulnerable group.

No, not that I`m aware of anyway, but I have no intention of getting infected with the virus for as long as is possible.

tobefrank321

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Austria had 34 new cases today and 2 deaths.

We have 265 and 37 deaths.

We are just not at that point.

I expect cases to grow with wider testing. Even with an R0 of 0.5 and confirmed cases of say 350 a day, it would take about 2 months of lockdown to reach Austrian numbers. By that stage many more companies will have gone out of business. Many are just hanging on by their fingernails.

We might as well forget about getting numbers low. That fight was lost when our government refused to quarantine travellers from Italy, or from Cheltenham or other hotspots. After that it was like fighting the tide with a pitchfork, pointless. All we can do now is target high risk categories for protection.

Ginger n Lemon

mandrake04 wrote: »

These tests only work on electsys 601/602/801, these are common enough analyser around the world. Ireland has some but they are used in hospitals for running hospital work like Troponin, bHCG eg. but a lot of hospitals and labs have a mixture of other brands like Beckman and Abbott etc. they have their own tests that maybe not so reliable.

Unless they have already hedged their bets on Roche bringing out this test and ordered analysers a few months ago just for serology there no way they have the capacity to run antibody tests for greater population so they can swan of on a pissup to some virus infected shit hole

I think you need to forget about Spain and book a ticket to a place called reality.

You can get these tests at airports now. Friend look at last page of this thread... You ll be amazed how quickly testing becomes available. Vienna airport first. Barcelona airport next. And i am flying to 1 of these.

And yes, Roche has capacity to produce 100 million tests per month. (Europe's population is under 400 million, so unless Roche sells to US first which they could or might not, I should get 1 given end of August is 4 months away)

normanoffside

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

No, not that I`m aware of anyway, but I have no intention of getting infected with the virus for as long as is possible.

I am putting you in category 3.
Bandit Luke is in category 1
Pjohnson is category 2
Kermit de Frog is just a troll.

normanoffside wrote: »

As far as I can see there are 3 types of Lock-down Merchant

1. Long term unemployed happy with their welfare and delighted that hundreds of thousands of people are now forced to live like them,
2. Civil servants with cushy jobs in terms of pay, workloads and security.
3. Hypochondriacs

Penfailed

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Will we be in the right place when all the Bewleys, Debenhams, etc are shutdown? And they are just the tip of the iceberg.

To be fair, both businesses were in big trouble in the lead up to this already. To use a popular turn of phrase, they have underlying conditions.

Ginger n Lemon

Penfailed wrote: »

To be fair, both businesses were in big trouble in the lead up to this already. To use a popular turn of phrase, they have underlying conditions.

Thats a very harsh thing to say. How many people live paycheck to paycheck? 60%? 70%?

Businesses are identical. To run a business is a pretty tough job as is, Revenue want you to pay VAT. Corporation tax. File your things on time if you dont theres a fine. Pay your staff. Pay your suppliers. List goes on and on and on.

I wouldnt be surprised if 80% + of businesses in Ireland didnt have enough savings to survive 3 months out of business. Government interventions going on are loan basis, nobody is giving businesses money, just loaning it to them.

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normanoffside wrote: »

I am putting you in category 3.
Bandit Luke is in category 1
Pjohnson is category 2
Kermit de Frog is just a troll.

There are trolls on both sides of the arguments at this point

Cork Boy 53

Penfailed wrote: »

There's a VERY good chance he'll be voted back in again unfortunately.

The USA and by extension much of the rest of the world will be truly ****ed if he is.

easypazz

Penfailed wrote: »

To be fair, both businesses were in big trouble in the lead up to this already. To use a popular turn of phrase, they have underlying conditions.

The market preys on the weak and underfunded.

growleaves

Dr Neil Ferguson resigns in disgrace after he broke social distancing rules by riding a married blonde girl.

This is the Imperial College epidemiologist whose model predicted millions of deaths and helped to convince the UK to go into lockdown.

Kermit.de.frog

timmy_mallet wrote: »

The reality for Tony is that people are comfortable with those figures and higher, they've accepted it, and are moving on.

Rodin

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

You can get these tests at airports now. Friend look at last page of this thread... You ll be amazed how quickly testing becomes available. Vienna airport first. Barcelona airport next. And i am flying to 1 of these.

And yes, Roche has capacity to produce 100 million tests per month. (Europe's population is under 400 million, so unless Roche sells to US first which they could or might not, I should get 1 given end of August is 4 months away)

I wouldn't put much faith in Barcelona. They can't even manage their normal queues properly.

Cork Boy 53

normanoffside wrote: »

I am putting you in category 3.
Bandit Luke is in category 1
Pjohnson is category 2
Kermit de Frog is just a troll.

Categorise away bud if it makes you happy. I hope for your sake you won`t be eating humble pie in a few weeks or months time if the ****e really hits the fan.

Penfailed

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Thats a very harsh thing to say.

Harsh? Maybe. True? Definitely. Both companies are/were in severe financial distress in the lead up to this.

Ginger n Lemon

Rodin wrote: »

I wouldn't put much faith in Barcelona. They can't even manage their normal queues properly.

Well with some posters in this thread notifying us they wont fly until a vaccine is developed, odds are there will be similar people across every country.

August is fairly early in terms of lockdowns etc so I wouldnt count on the queues. But if i jinx it I will be the first to reply back to this post and say ah damn, got no tests cus of queues

normanoffside

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Categorise away bud if it makes you happy. I hope for your sake you won`t be eating humble pie in a few weeks or months time if the ****e really hits the fan.

Nice to have engaged you again, still waiting for your reply as to why none of your friends gave any sympathy to the poster with the surgery cancelled last night.

How do you feel about that?

Ginger n Lemon

Penfailed wrote: »

Harsh? Maybe. True? Definitely. Both companies are/were in severe financial distress in the lead up to this.

Yes. Both were. But I think we can both agree that this time 2 days from now we will talk about 5 companies. And you might say ah well all 5 werent doing that well before lockdown. etc etc.

Businesses need help now more than ever before. Leo really has got to backtrack on his turtle plan. And if he does, I personally will respect him for it.