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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Ginger n Lemon

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/bewley-s-on-grafton-street-to-close-permanently-with-loss-of-110-jobs-1.4246773?mode=amp

Bewley's throwing in the towel with the loss of 110 jobs. Not the first and not the last big hospitality name I'm sure.

There was a poster in this thread who posted and said he lost his job 1 hour after Leo's speech. over a phone call.

Another person replied and said there were a lot of businesses with glimmer of hope looking forward to Leo's speech only to get this complete rubbish.

Same individual also predicted plenty of businesses liquidating come Tuesday (5th of May). Prediction off by 1 day, but then how many more businesses we dont know about yet? Some very smart people on boards.ie thats for sure.

This is precisely why we need to open up ASAP.

SusieBlue

devondudley wrote: »

lunacy for you maybe. thank god your the one qualified to make the calls :rolleyes:

Regardless of what side of the debate you are on, anyone with any experience whatsoever with children will know that keeping them locked up from March - July is a cruelty and most children (and their parents) will find that extremely extremely hard.
Whether it is necessary or not is a whole other argument, but let’s not downplay the severity and harshness of not allowing children any contact with other children for almost half a year

Being an only child in this country isn’t that uncommon and I can only imagine how hard it is for those children to have no contact their their cousins or friends for that length of time. It’s going to be extremely harsh and tough on them.

Loozer

We basically cocoaned fit working people and paid them to do nothing

Then we let the virus rip through the old people in nursing homes who should have been cocooned

Is there any fund announced.for.business to get them back up running?

polesheep

Loozer wrote: »

We basically cocoaned fit working people and paid them to do nothing

Then we let the virus rip through the old people in nursing homes who should have been cocooned

Is there any fund announced.for.business to get them back up running?

Sums it up perfectly.

sterz

Who do you go to if you have any questions regarding the roadmap published last week? I know they cannot cover every scenario but it's difficult to plan for certain businesses if you're unsure as to which phase you fall in to.

Penfailed

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You have a vivid imagination if you believe that will happen.

Why wouldn't it happen? It's very likely that there will be very very cheap holidays on offer this summer. August is ages away. Even Ireland should be mostly opened up by that stage.

RugbyLad11

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/bewley-s-on-grafton-street-to-close-permanently-with-loss-of-110-jobs-1.4246773?mode=amp

Bewley's throwing in the towel with the loss of 110 jobs. Not the first and not the last big hospitality name I'm sure.

Jesus and they only opened back up a year or 2 ago. I would often drop in there for a lunch and it was great

Cork Boy 53

Penfailed wrote: »

Why wouldn't it happen? It's very likely that there will be very very cheap holidays on offer this summer. August is ages away. Even Ireland should be mostly opened up by that stage.

Would you feel comfortable sitting in an enclosed cabin for several hours closely surrounded by other people even if wearing masks? I know I wouldn`t and will not be doing so even if foreign travel is opened up before the end of the year which realistically it won`t be.

Stheno

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Jesus and they only opened back up a year or 2 ago. I would often drop in there for a lunch and it was great

It was an utter rip off tbh

oceanman

Penfailed wrote: »

Why wouldn't it happen? It's very likely that there will be very very cheap holidays on offer this summer. August is ages away. Even Ireland should be mostly opened up by that stage.

are you having a laugh, flights for holidays wont be happing by august..

Blueshoe

Loozer wrote: »

We basically cocoaned fit working people and paid them to do nothing

Then we let the virus rip through the old people in nursing homes who should have been cocooned

Is there any fund announced.for.business to get them back up running?

No not we. We weren't given a choice.

Cork Boy 53

oceanman wrote: »

are you having a laugh, flights for holidays wont be happing by august..

In the absence of a vaccine foreign holiday travel in 2021 will be very doubtful too I would think.

FintanMcluskey

Loozer wrote: »

We basically cocoaned fit working people and paid them to do nothing

Then we let the virus rip through the old people in nursing homes who should have been cocooned

Is there any fund announced.for.business to get them back up running?

Yes and we executed the 1st part of the plan here, under the pretense that if we didnt the ICU's would be over ran, thus causing more young deaths than Covid.
And the clever part was when we shut down any surplus ICUs and cancelled all surgeries and scans for 6 months so the younger folk would die anyway.
And we always can say we chose life over economy, not like those Swedish fcukers

Clonmel1000

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

In the absence of a vaccine foreign holiday travel in 2021 will be very doubtful too I would think.

Sounds like you hope.

[Deleted User]

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Would you feel comfortable sitting in an enclosed cabin for several hours closely surrounded by other people even if wearing masks? I know I wouldn`t and will not be doing so even if foreign travel is opened up before the end of the year which realistically it won`t be.

I will be happy to do so. and I think there’ll be very cheap holidays on offer across the EU

[Deleted User]

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

In the absence of a vaccine foreign holiday travel in 2021 will be very doubtful too I would think.

That is wishful thinking on your part (though I don’t know why you would appear to wish this was the case). It’s not the vaccine that matters (a vaccine which might never come). It’s testing prior to travel. And that will be organised soon enough in order to facilitate an industry that is too important for the world to be put on hold for too long

road_high

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

This will not be happening and if anything there are doubts as to whether the Leaving Cert will go ahead in late July/early August as previously announced.

Probably not, as we aren’t led by any level of common sense just reactionary paranoia now. Which are we about to pay dearly for

Loozer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That is wishful thinking on your part (though I don’t know why you would appear to wish this was the case). It’s not the vaccine that matters (a vaccine which might never come). It’s testing prior to travel. And that will be organised soon enough in order to facilitate an industry that is too important for the world to be put on hold for too long

I thought foreign travel was fukking up the world re global warming

[Deleted User]

Statistics today are saying:

78% of people who got Covid 19 have recovered - this included hospital and community cases
86 people are now in ICU

Pre existing conditions of those who were treated in hospital:

over 50% had chronic heart disease
over 23% had chronic respiratory disease
over 22% had diabetes
over 16% had BMI over 40
over 10% had asthma
and some people had a number of those conditions!

some (but not all) of the above conditions come as a result of poor diet and lifestyle..........these figures have nothing to do with age. This is positive and heartening for those of us who are healthy and fit. We have been warned time and again about the risks of being overweight and a poor diet/unhealthy lifestyle. It is interesting that both Boris Johnston and Mary Lou got a lot sicker with Covid 19 than Ryan Tubridy and Claire Byrne.

Maybe people with underlying conditions should be isolating and let the rest of us go back to work and back to try and limit the damage to the economy. I am 59 but I cycle, hike, swim and walk about 10k a day and weigh 10 stone. I also have no underlying health conditions and I would like to be able to see some light at the end of this very dark tunnel. We are all being punished, surely there should be some way of letting things open up a bit for some of the population. In that way we would be helping the economy too.

[Deleted User]

oceanman wrote: »

are you having a laugh, flights for holidays wont be happing by august..

If places are open in the EU country of destination, there will be flights. France have already indicated no quarantine for EU travellers and would have thought that that stance will be replicated across the EU (but with tight mandatory quarantine for non-EU travellers)

I’d have thought that the first travel arrangements will be between blocks. The EU/UK. USA / Canada. AUS / NZ are agreeing their own arrangements. I’m sure that SE Asian counties will come to some arrangements between themselves. But arrivals from outside of those blocks will be very tightly controlled / banned.

Ginger n Lemon

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

In the absence of a vaccine foreign holiday travel in 2021 will be very doubtful too I would think.

If planes dont fly by July, Ireland will be in a recession that is much worse than the one that pushed immigration to US in 1860.

The aviation industry is worth €4.1bn to the Irish economy along with the leasing sector pulling in €550m alone making it a significant contributor.

Trust me, for your sake and mine, I better make that flight.

anyways whats the fuss about, this isnt north korea, if airplane flies then you can fly anywhere in the world. Just "cocoon" urself for 2 weeks on ur return.

At this stage most economies are very desperate for any tourism, including ours. I will 100% make that flight friend, and you should check out some cheap flight seats too, before they are sold out.

timmy_mallet

Stheno wrote: »

It was an utter rip off tbh

Food was like something out of the 80s. Probably looking for an excuse to bail anyway.

timmy_mallet

Deleted User wrote: »

If places are open in the EU country of destination, there will be flights. France have already indicated no quarantine for EU travellers and would have thought that that stance will be replicated across the EU (but with tight mandatory quarantine for non-EU travellers)

I’d have thought that the first travel arrangements will be between blocks. The EU/UK. USA / Canada. AUS / NZ are agreeing their own arrangements. I’m sure that SE Asian counties will come to some arrangements between themselves. But arrivals from outside of those blocks will be very tightly controlled / banned.

Which is a bit nonsensical. I'm sure given case numbers theyd rather someone travel here from Aus/NZ/SE Asia than Wigan.

Spanish Eyes

Terrible times.

Schools closed, LC on hold, everything else closed down.

it is a lesson for everyone as to how to cope. But you will always get the usual idiots (Shinners mostly I reckon) who think it is all bull crap. But most are coping from what I can see.

Over and out.

timmy_mallet

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Would you feel comfortable sitting in an enclosed cabin for several hours closely surrounded by other people even if wearing masks? I know I wouldn`t and will not be doing so even if foreign travel is opened up before the end of the year which realistically it won`t be.

Many people would be comfortable, yet it will be your ilk that ruins it for them.

Kermit.de.frog

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Terrible times.

Schools closed, LC on hold, everything else closed down.

it is a lesson for everyone as to how to cope. But you will always get the usual idiots (Shinners mostly I reckon) who think it is all bull crap. But most are coping from what I can see.

Over and out.

Too much doom mongering in this thread :cool:

You'd think the world was crashing down.

timmy_mallet

Deleted User wrote: »

Statistics today are saying:

78% of people who got Covid 19 have recovered - this included hospital and community cases
86 people are now in ICU

Pre existing conditions of those who were treated in hospital:

over 50% had chronic heart disease
over 23% had chronic respiratory disease
over 22% had diabetes
over 16% had BMI over 40
over 10% had asthma
and some people had a number of those conditions!

some (but not all) of the above conditions come as a result of poor diet and lifestyle..........these figures have nothing to do with age. This is positive and heartening for those of us who are healthy and fit. We have been warned time and again about the risks of being overweight and a poor diet/unhealthy lifestyle. It is interesting that both Boris Johnston and Mary Lou got a lot sicker with Covid 19 than Ryan Tubridy and Claire Byrne.

Maybe people with underlying conditions should be isolating and let the rest of us go back to work and back to try and limit the damage to the economy. I am 59 but I cycle, hike, swim and walk about 10k a day and weigh 10 stone. I also have no underlying health conditions and I would like to be able to see some light at the end of this very dark tunnel. We are all being punished, surely there should be some way of letting things open up a bit for some of the population. In that way we would be helping the economy too.

The unhealthy holding the world to ransom, it's shameful, utterly shameful. Smokers, take away eaters, drinkers, sugar addicts, out of breath walking up a flight if stairs, all blaming the joggers, ON THE PATH for endangering them. Ridiculous.

niallo27

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Many people would he comfortable, yet it will be your ilk that ruins it for them.

Exactly I'd chance a flight to spain or Portugal. Cant hide away from it forever. If people want to stop living I have no problem with that but it's not for me.

Rainmann

Can someone let me know why Ireland seems to be so far behind these other countries despite having a lockdown pretty early on? Is our health system so inferior to other countries that we won't be able to handle any kind of surge? Or are our government just being ultra-cautious and 'seeing how it goes' with other countries before they follow suit? This drawn-out approach is going to do so much more damage than the virus. From the beginning, the mainstream media have pushed the doomsday story as it gets them so many more clicks/ $ when in actual fact the evidence coming out day by day is showing us that it is much less deadly than previously thought.

This guy was quite interesting to listen to - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrL9QKGQrWk

stephenjmcd

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Would you feel comfortable sitting in an enclosed cabin for several hours closely surrounded by other people even if wearing masks? I know I wouldn`t and will not be doing so even if foreign travel is opened up before the end of the year which realistically it won`t be.

Yes I'll get on a plane as soon as borders are open and flights start running properly again. Each to their own but I fully intend on travelling again. Cant put life on hold and hide away awaiting a vaccine that may not come