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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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the kelt

JP100 wrote: »

Yeah but surely home schooling is done during actual school times. I doubt very much that home schooling is being done at 4, 5 or 6pm in the day especially at primary level.

The vast majority of people home schooling arent following exact 9 to 3 timescales and the majority tend to do up to 1 or 2 pm in the day.

Spanish Eyes

JP100 wrote: »

Just back from a park close to where I live and the 1.30 - 3.30pm advice for over 70s and/or cocooners was not as of yet been widely followed. What I found interesting was the biggest cohort to be there was parents with their children. I would have thought that most home schooling would be happening in line with actual school times. With kids then more likely to be in parks after 3 each day. Also with working from home committments, I thought more parents would be in the park later in the afternoon/evening time.

Agreed. Often wonder what geniuses decided this time frame for the over 70's.

Am looking out from upstairs onto our park and it is jammers with kids on bikes, scooters, parent(s), dog walkers, buggies you name it. The older cohort usually go out between 8 and 11 am and more or less have the place to themselves, well no kids anyway really..

Anyway, I don't think it was thought through too much.

JP100

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have you seen the unemployment rate shoot up? Over 1 million are on the dole now. Huge numbers are out of work with nothing to do and practically no risk of dying of Covid.

Might as well hang around the parks and try to pass the time.

Yeah but surely home schooling is done during actual school times. I doubt very much that home schooling is being done at 4, 5 or 6pm in the day especially at primary level.

[Deleted User]

NDWC wrote: »

As pointed out in the comments, the chances of someone in that age bracket dying in a normal year could be 0.04%, while this year it's 0.06%.

The sensationalist "40% increase OMG" headline is scaremongering nonsense.

50%

riclad

The solution is widespread testing and contact tracing I would have a rule any employer in a shop must wear a mask. We can't wait for a vaccine as it could take
a year to make one. The plan is as the no of new cases
Of infections falls we will go through phases
Of opening up shops cafes etc I think pubs and
Barbers will be the last to open up. I think a barber will have to limit the no of customers Eg 4 to 6 depending on
How big the shop is.
I will wait months before I go for a haircut even if
Barbers are open. Yes it might be safe for you to
go for a hair cut if you wear a mask but a barber
Needs dozens of customers to stay in business to pay rent insurance etc there.,ll have to be new rules for
Different types of business,s like hair salons
you need to be close to a barber to get a haircut

Penfailed

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am not young myself, but we are kind of discussing elderly as "we know whats best for them".

Put yourself in shoes of an 85 year old granddad with 3 grandchildren, he cant hug them now according to govt guidance, there is no indication when he can hug them, and if he asks - he is going to be told "wait for vaccine". This is seriously depressing for any individual. Regardless if they are in good health or bad health.

Yet you don't want them walking the streets or in parks.

Quantum Erasure

robinph wrote: »

I'm guessing you just looked at the headline and the scary chart, but didn't read any of the comments or understand the numbers behind the chart?

No, that's why I posted the link. Even if the numbers are small, 40% is still a big increase

[Deleted User]

JP100 wrote: »

Just back from a park close to where I live and the 1.30 - 3.30pm advice for over 70s and/or cocooners was not as of yet been widely followed. What I found interesting was the biggest cohort to be there was parents with their children. I would have thought that most home schooling would be happening in line with actual school times. With kids then more likely to be in parks after 3 each day. Also with working from home committments, I thought more parents would be in the park later in the afternoon/evening time.

Have you seen the unemployment rate shoot up? Over 1 million are on the dole now. Huge numbers are out of work with nothing to do and practically no risk of dying of Covid.

Might as well hang around the parks and try to pass the time.

JP100

Just back from a park close to where I live and the 1.30 - 3.30pm advice for over 70s and/or cocooners was not as of yet been widely followed. What I found interesting was the biggest cohort to be there was parents with their children. I would have thought that most home schooling would be happening in line with actual school times. With kids then more likely to be in parks after 3 each day. Also with working from home committments, I thought more parents would be in the park later in the afternoon/evening time.

Ginger n Lemon

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Capable of what exactly?

Posing for the next cover of the Trócaire box?

Damn thats the funniest thing I read here.

Ginger n Lemon

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You are correct on this point but there has arguably never been the need on a global scale to develop one with anything like the urgency there is now.

In my experience, anything done urgently or developed quickly usually turns out to be no good.

We are talking about something we "could" be injecting into peoples bodies, how can we possibly do this on large scale without a 2 year development + 3 year testing?

If we inject something by end of the year, and next April vaccine companies come out with "improved version of the vaccine" arent we going to be a bit worried about what we just injected prematurely?

I think Sweden considered all of these arguments and went ahead with their strategy. They have very smart virologists and scientists.

partyguinness

gozunda wrote: »

Wtf? So all older people regardless of their circumstance are 'far richer' and more 'powerful politically'?

What do you base such nonsense on?

Older people may indeed have worked all their lives to provide some security in old age They may even have managed to buy a house paid for over many decades. Something younger generations will have to do as well. No one gets it handed to them no matter how much they might want that or bs about older people having it all.

And no Kids were not "bunkered" for two months. Kids could go out and exercise with their parents etc and where possible play in their garden etc. They still can.

The old vote. The young tweet.

You assume everyone has a garden?

Deeper Blue

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/geezgj/1544_year_olds_up_to_40_more_likely_to_die_in/

As pointed out in the comments, the chances of someone in that age bracket dying in a normal year could be 0.04%, while this year it's 0.06%.

The sensationalist "40% increase OMG" headline is scaremongering nonsense.

FintanMcluskey

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

All we can do is our best to suppress until August/September and hope we don't have to implement some of the restrictions other countries will have to reintroduce.

The more progress we make the more capable we will be at that point.

Capable of what exactly?

Posing for the next cover of the Trócaire box?

[Deleted User]

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Well the banks seemed to do alright after the last crisis they seem to weather every storm. If you don't want to question your betters that's up to you to tug your forelock.

Here's a list of almost 100 banks that failed after the global financial crisis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banks_acquired_or_bankrupted_during_the_Great_Recession
impacting more than 300,00 financial services jobs in Europe alone

Cork Boy 53

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am not young myself, but we are kind of discussing elderly as "we know whats best for them".

Put yourself in shoes of an 85 year old granddad with 3 grandchildren, he cant hug them now according to govt guidance, there is no indication when he can hug them, and if he asks - he is going to be told "wait for vaccine". This is seriously depressing for any individual. Regardless if they are in good health or bad health.

And unfortunately in our entire human race history we have not developed a vaccine against human corona viruses.

You are correct on this point but there has arguably never been the need on a global scale to develop one with anything like the urgency there is now.

Kermit.de.frog

All we can do is our best to suppress until August/September and hope we don't have to implement some of the restrictions other countries will have to reintroduce.

The more progress we make the more capable we will be at that point.

Ginger n Lemon

MOH wrote: »

One thing I've decided from a lot of the attitude to Covid-19 is, to hell with the environment.

I'm not in a high-risk bracket, but I can understand why restrictions are necessary.

But there seems to be tons of younger people whose attitude is since they're not high risk for the disease, why should they be restricted?

By that logic, I'm probably going to be dead before the effects of climate change get really bad. So why should I bother doing anything that's primarily going to benefit other people?

I am not young myself, but we are kind of discussing elderly as "we know whats best for them".

Put yourself in shoes of an 85 year old granddad with 3 grandchildren, he cant hug them now according to govt guidance, there is no indication when he can hug them, and if he asks - he is going to be told "wait for vaccine". This is seriously depressing for any individual. Regardless if they are in good health or bad health.

And unfortunately in our entire human race history we have not developed a vaccine against human corona viruses.

[Deleted User]

uli84 wrote: »

Keeping kids out of school environment for 6 months non-stop is total madness (yes i know they’d be off jul-aug anyways)

I’ve been looking at Portugal as they went through all this at similar time as Ireland and I think their approach of opening secondary schools mid-May and Primary in June is very reasonable and something i was personally hoping for in here.

My neighbours’ kid cried when told she wouldn’t be going back before September, I cannot even imagine the situation of kids where there are issues in the household

Portugal peaked about 2 weeks before us, so offsetting their timeline by two weeks takes us to the holidays anyway.

LiquidZeb

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sure the banks love it when economic activity grinds to a halt.

But but but the banks...but but but the goberment...but but but sheeple.

Virtually every-f**ng-where else is doing it do ye nutters. You can argue the rights and wrongs of the policy, but Ireland is not alone in what is being done, far from it

Well the banks seemed to do alright after the last crisis they seem to weather every storm. If you don't want to question your betters that's up to you to tug your forelock.

[Deleted User]

hopalongcass wrote: »

The banks are definitely laughing at us,again,simply its a case of how much is the population willing to take.The countries exiting are feeling the pulse of the nation online and are only willing to milk it as long as the population believes this rubbish.

Sadly as proved in the last financial crisis,the hangover of being a subjugated British colony still hangs over us,we are meek unpatriotic pushovers on the world stage and are always the laughing stock of the western world with weak timid leaders who are always the first to hang their own people out to dry.

And as long as we have shills like you convincing the people that this is warranted and we have a naive unpatriotic population that fall for it,it will continue until there is enough of us saying enough is enough.Reality is even if the death rate was 20 times what it is now it still would not warrant destroying the economy and taking on this kind of debt.People of all ages would want to be dropping dead all around us on the street to warrant what is happening right now.

Sure the banks love it when economic activity grinds to a halt.

But but but the banks...but but but the goberment...but but but sheeple.

Virtually every-f**ng-where else is doing it do ye nutters. You can argue the rights and wrongs of the policy, but Ireland is not alone in what is being done, far from it

LiquidZeb

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/geezgj/1544_year_olds_up_to_40_more_likely_to_die_in/

You do realize the odds of that age group dying annually are one in 55,000 even the people in the comments section are rubbishing it.

MOH

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Just to get it straight, if there is a deadly disease out there which kills 90% + of over 70s, I do not believe that we should allow over 70s to walk on the streets or in parks. You can not expect compliance of strict measures from young millions of people of the population, people have house parties for crying out. Surely you agree?

One thing I've decided from a lot of the attitude to Covid-19 is, to hell with the environment.

I'm not in a high-risk bracket, but I can understand why restrictions are necessary.

But there seems to be tons of younger people whose attitude is since they're not high risk for the disease, why should they be restricted?

By that logic, I'm probably going to be dead before the effects of climate change get really bad. So why should I bother doing anything that's primarily going to benefit other people?

robinph

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/geezgj/1544_year_olds_up_to_40_more_likely_to_die_in/

I'm guessing you just looked at the headline and the scary chart, but didn't read any of the comments or understand the numbers behind the chart?

uli84

Keeping kids out of school environment for 6 months non-stop is total madness (yes i know they’d be off jul-aug anyways)

I’ve been looking at Portugal as they went through all this at similar time as Ireland and I think their approach of opening secondary schools mid-May and Primary in June is very reasonable and something i was personally hoping for in here.

My neighbours’ kid cried when told she wouldn’t be going back before September, I cannot even imagine the situation of kids where there are issues in the household

Quantum Erasure

Deleted User wrote: »

The only people that are really at risk from Covid 19 are the over 65's. We should be cocooning the hell out of those people. Instead we feel bad for them so encourage them to come out and walk at peak hours. (Lunch time) Terrible advice considering over 90% of deaths in that catergory.

Meanwhile, the countries economy falls apart while everyone at very low risk sits at home..

https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/geezgj/1544_year_olds_up_to_40_more_likely_to_die_in/

Cork Boy 53

hopalongcass wrote: »

The banks are definitely laughing at us,again,simply its a case of how much is the population willing to take.The countries exiting are feeling the pulse of the nation online and are only willing to milk it as long as the population believes this rubbish.

Sadly as proved in the last financial crisis,the hangover of being a subjugated British colony still hangs over us,we are meek unpatriotic pushovers on the world stage and are always the laughing stock of the western world with weak timid leaders who are always the first to hang their own people out to dry.

And as long as we have shills like you convincing the people that this is warranted and we have a naive unpatriotic population that fall for it,it will continue until there is enough of us saying enough is enough.Reality is even if the death rate was 20 times what it is now it still would not warrant destroying the economy and taking on this kind of debt.People of all ages would want to be dropping dead all around us on the street to warrant what is happening right now.

And after posting all that rambling ranting nonsense you have the audacity to call me a shill. The mind boggles.

TheCitizen

Penfailed wrote: »

Is anywhere in the world locking down until there's a vaccine? I haven't heard of anywhere trying that approach.

Won’t stop posters like that one you quoted saying it

gozunda

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the older demographic are far richer globally and far more powerful politically , as another poster stated earlier

the government over ruled the HSE with regards when the over seventies could get out for exercise , they were fine with kids being bunkered this past two months

Wtf? So all older people regardless of their circumstance are 'far richer' and more 'powerful politically'?

What do you base such nonsense on?

Older people may indeed have worked all their lives to provide some security in old age They may even have managed to buy a house paid for over many decades. Something younger generations will have to do as well. No one gets it handed to them no matter how much they might want that or bs about older people having it all.

And no Kids were not "bunkered" for two months. Kids could go out and exercise with their parents etc and where possible play in their garden etc. They still can.

Ginger n Lemon

mille100piedi wrote: »

the website is not important, there are tons of source in italian but I don't think you speak italian?so I found a source in english.It is not important what is written but you can clearly see police and three doctors with a with uniform around him.

Mussolini regime but with doctors. What have we done to our world