drunkmonkey wrote: » I don't see any evidence that the risks out weigh the benefits if your healthy. If your healthy and get the virus on your mask and handle it or don't wear it correctly your putting yourself at greater risk as the viral load is concentrated on it. With the worke thing it just feels like it's something being forced in us, the Karen's are just waiting to let rip at people not wearing them.If you feel safer in one fine, wear it. Don't force it like France where there using CCTV and drones to enforce compliance.
AlekSmart wrote: » That sounds like the most sensible option. I'm happy to wait for the HSE's realistic guidelines to change. Whilst you are obviously clued-in about mask-wearing in general,the vast majority would have difficulty seperating their N98 from their P45. The HSE's current guidelines appear well founded on commonsense and do err on the side of freedom to choose ...https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/face-masks-disposable-gloves.html I'm happy enough with that.https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protect-yourself-and-others.html This aspect now needs to be added to the Rules of the Road,as the potential of being killed by a Vehicle after you lep off the footpath out onto the middle of the road to avoid another pedestrian FAR exceeds the risk of CV19 killing you....with or without a mask ! Informative article here from a former Consultant Pathologist...https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/face-masks-should-there-be-a-cover-up- So,to my thinking,unless EVERYBODY is kitted out in Hazmat style masks,or even full hoods,then the current trend remains largely based on a feelgood factor (nothing wrong with that of itself) If wearing a mask makes you feel better,then wear away....just don't be giving me daggers looks because you can see my sweet smile
ixoy wrote: » Saw this 'Why we should all be wearing face masks' article on BBC Future, that's well worth a read. Maybe it'll finally convince Wibbs - not sure what his position is
Away With The Fairies wrote: » I really don't understand why Ireland is taking its time on masks or face coverings. Can be spread in droplets by just talking. We should all be covering our mouths and nose. Along with other measures, distancing, hand washing and respiratory hygiene (I wear a mask when out and still sneeze into my elbow).
Arrival wrote: » They should still encourage that too. All measures like that, that can help stop the virus escaping people's mouths and noses, should be urged. Varadkar really needs to put aside the robotic poetry bull**** during his next address and actually just talk to us as a human: explain that the virus only spreads if people allow it to, explain that masks are not a silver bullet but definitely a measure that can help us, explain how to make an effective homemade mask and emphasise the importance of not touching them and continuing with all other elements of hygiene while outside the home, and upon returning home Very frustrating being a normal person and basically waiting for our government to come out with stuff like this which we know for certain will help the country, we're always so ****ing slow and it gets you down. Why can other countries be on the ball but never us!
What Username Guidelines wrote: » https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/government-cut-advice-on-masks-from-its-roadmap-39184465.html Paywalled but the preview is enough to kill hope. They should really be recommending them now, not when restrictions are lifted. It would put a massive dent in contagion in supermarkets seeing as they're pretty much the only places officially open right now. It makes so much sense.
VonLuck wrote: » In an ideal world masks are a great idea, but the reality is that people will inadvertently touch their face whilst wearing them.Lets say you have the virus and have been using a mask. You go home, put the mask to one side then pick it up again the next day and go to the shop. You have just touched a mask with a huge viral load and now you are pottering about touching a lot of things in the shop. The other instance is that you are not infected and are wearing a mask. You go around a shop and are touching a lot of different objects. Then you have an itch on your face because of how the mask sits, or maybe the mask is a little bit uncomfortable and you adjust it. You have potentially gotten the virus on your face now. I'm not saying everyone will do this, but people instinctively do things like this and only realise after the fact "oh crap, I shouldn't have done that"! Maybe the risk associated with people touching their face or spreading the viral load from touching masks and then objects is much lower than not wearing a mask at all, but I have yet to see a definitive study on that.
VonLuck wrote: » In an ideal world masks are a great idea, but the reality is that people will inadvertently touch their face whilst wearing them. Lets say you have the virus and have been using a mask. You go home, put the mask to one side then pick it up again the next day and go to the shop. You have just touched a mask with a huge viral load and now you are pottering about touching a lot of things in the shop. The other instance is that you are not infected and are wearing a mask. You go around a shop and are touching a lot of different objects. Then you have an itch on your face because of how the mask sits, or maybe the mask is a little bit uncomfortable and you adjust it. You have potentially gotten the virus on your face now. I'm not saying everyone will do this, but people instinctively do things like this and only realise after the fact "oh crap, I shouldn't have done that"! Maybe the risk associated with people touching their face or spreading the viral load from touching masks and then objects is much lower than not wearing a mask at all, but I have yet to see a definitive study on that.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » Why can't people wear masks now around their homes and get the feeling of what it's like to have a mask on... Instead of going out to the shops and touching themselves for the first time.
Away With The Fairies wrote: » Wtf? Their advice was face coverings for the second phase??? Why in the second phase? Anywhere there's people... And they are everywhere, so should be now. What fools are running this country?
krissovo wrote: » Because that is sensible, most are losing that ability.
is_that_so wrote: » Gotta ask here though are you seriously going to walk around with a mask on your face until a vaccine is found?
is_that_so wrote: » Or most don't share that dread fear of something that won't do anything much to them.
is_that_so wrote: » It's advice not a requirement . As Harris has said you can make an informed decision. Gotta ask here though are you seriously going to walk around with a mask on your face until a vaccine is found?
stephenjmcd wrote: » There are concerns that a recommendation on face coverings may result in panic buying and could lead to fewer masks being available for frontline health workers.
Wibbs wrote: » In crowded indoor public spaces? Why not? It doesn't seem to trouble those nations that have done significantly better than us in both much lower numbers of dead and their country reopening, while we're still in lockdown.
Let me guess, you're another one of these open up now!/Economy/herd immunity/it won't kill me so... types?
Away With The Fairies wrote: » Alot of people has already said that they are waiting for HSE to tell them. Even going by this poll here, it actually got the most votes... That's not an informed decision waiting for someone else to tell you to wear masks... And these experts are still saying masks for the sick... Just one thing about that... Asymptomatic cases... And people still can't make a decision for themselves?
is_that_so wrote: » . Judging by the very few I see wearing masks I don't think I am anyway alone. There is room in the world for both sets of opinions and choices.
is_that_so wrote: » Experts, I've some to realise during this have their own agendas. Mostly they have aligned with extremely vital public health matters but there is also a level of alarmism there too, which is not at all useful. Our "experts" are not inclined towards mandatory so it will be a choice.
Wibbs wrote: » Not in a pandemic there isn't. You might have an opinion on social distancing/hand washing/covering your nose and mouth being useless, so choose not to bother but in doing so you endanger others. That's a selfish idiocy. Then again there are a lot of selfish idiots out there.
