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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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the kelt

partyguinness wrote: »

Schools and educational institutions should be opened ASAP.

I have now come around to the view that it is completely arseways to screw over children's education and development just to protect the elderly and sick who are well beyond their economic use. Let nature take its course.

End the lock down and if people or certain sections of society are worried let them lock themselves away but let the rest of the world get on with it.

I believe when you look at our roadmap and compare it to other countries around Europe and the world that ours is way too conservative and it makes me wonder and ask the question why etc.

But i think the idea of the bold bit above is well kinda extreme dont ye think?

Bobtheman

At some point the economic argument will triumph
Because we can't run a state on welfare
I'm not for opening everything immediately but I think they could have opened more . Hair dressers for instance.
As for schools - as a teacher the lack of IT is becoming an issue. The State has not invested in this and you have teachers who don't have laptops. Pupils too.
Of course we can give 20 million to Connaught rugby club before an election !

[Deleted User]

partyguinness wrote: »

Schools and educational institutions should be opened ASAP.

I have now come around to the view that it is completely arseways to screw over children's education and development just to protect the elderly and sick who are well beyond their economic use. Let nature take its course.

End the lock down and if people or certain sections of society are worried let them lock themselves away but let the rest of the world get on with it.

Children have 60 years to catch up. And really, are you serious?

easypazz

gozunda wrote: »

But more importantly - the issue of Covid-19 is not only with the over 70s and those in care homes. Only half the current deaths can be attributed to this cohort.

So first you say 50% of deaths are in the over 70's bracket and care homes

gozunda wrote: »

currently deaths from coronavirus in residential such care facilities account for some 61 per cent of all Covid-19 deaths.

Then you say 61% of deaths are in care homes alone.

Do you actually realise how little sense you make.

Cork Boy 53

hmmm wrote: »

Wow. And lots of "likes".

And most of them by the usual open everything now gang.

hopalongcass

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Why not just compulsory euthanize people who are "beyond their economic use " and be done with it? Hang your head in shame after that absolutely disgusting post.

I suppose you were out protesting about all the homeless since the bank bailouts and houses losts and deaths caused by the last bank bailout.

Stop with this rubbish of pretend care for our brethren,we never gave a toss about our Irish brothers and sisters been dying on the streets and losing their homes this 10 years.

Everyone cares about their immediate family end of story,tired listening to this rubbish "if we can save one life its worth it",we never cared before so stop using it to browbeat and pedal fake care for your Irish brothers and sisters,you long sold them up the river my friend.

partyguinness

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So your jealous of penioners because they have a pension?
Is it possible that they spent their entire life from 14years old onwards actually working?
People who lived through a world war, the 70’s and 80’s and people who had to endure the decisions people like Tatcher made.

What age are you?

They are the very same generation who did very very nicely out of Thatcher...so much so they kept the Tories in Government for 18 years with Thatcher at the helm for 11 years. Turned quite a lot into landlords over night, privatised the housing stock built in the post war years (by many an Irish labourer) and then left the current generation at the mercy of the private developers who of course bump up their profits to dish out dividends to the Baby Boomers and their pension funds. Nice circle of life going on there.

I don't begrudge pensioners their pensions in the slightest but I do think it is perverse that they always seem to be put first second and third.

Although they ****e on about it often enough the Baby Boomers did not live during any wars..they are generally those born between 1947 and 1963. Again another lucky break. But yet happy enough to send young lads off the Iraq and Afghanistan.

As a more learned commentator put it: The Baby Boomers are like a pig going through a python. Slowly and sucking up all the resources.

Nermal

partyguinness wrote: »

Just another example of the Baby Boomer generation looking after themselves (along with cushy pensions, massive equity, and all the other perks you get at 65).

They have already screwed over the youth with Brexit, hoarded the housing stock, ****ed the environment and now this...oh but if anyone complains oh sure you are just a whiny 'snowflake' phone zombie.

ps I am writing this from England so a slightly different angle.

There definitely is an element of this.

What concerns did our cabinet have about the NPHET plan - disruption to the education of our youth? Mass unemployment facing our college graduates? The whopping tax burden that will be paid by our children?

No, they rebelled to ensure over-70s would be allowed out to exercise.

Tell me that's not a gerontocracy.

LiquidZeb

lawrencesummers wrote: »

So how many of that 27000 are people you know?

How many of the 50 million people who die every year do you know? What about all the people who perish due to starvation or dehydration? Something that's probably just as preventable as covid. Do you say that about them too?

Cork Boy 53

partyguinness wrote: »

Schools and educational institutions should be opened ASAP.

I have now come around to the view that it is completely arseways to screw over children's education and development just to protect the elderly and sick who are well beyond their economic use. Let nature take its course.

End the lock down and if people or certain sections of society are worried let them lock themselves away but let the rest of the world get on with it.

Why not just compulsory euthanize people who are "beyond their economic use " and be done with it? Hang your head in shame after that absolutely disgusting post.

hopalongcass

Does anyone or can anyone explain why KFC appear to be able to reopen in the uk and not here,are the government subsidising KFC and McDonalds and the likes to stay closed?

Surely KFC want to be making money and if they are able to be in line with UK government when opening why not here?We locked down earlier and seemingly weren't hit as bad,so now because we weren't hit as bit we have to go through it longer,punished for doing what was asked of us.

So basically we cocooned to lower death rates we done that,but we have to now cocoon longer because actually no enough didn't die like in the UK and Italy,but yet had a lot died we they would have scaremongered us because of the high death rate into this same long shutdown.

We were damned if we did and damned if we didn't,because its not about lives its about prolonging it as long as the populace is willing to take this,so they extract as much money out of our childrens futures.

lawrencesummers

partyguinness wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8290353/ALEX-BRUMMER-Madness-45s-work-economy-burns.html

Out of 27k odd deaths only 322 have been under 45. I know this is UK figures but the breakdown around the world will be similar.

So how many of that 27000 are people you know?

lawrencesummers

partyguinness wrote: »

Just another example of the Baby Boomer generation looking after themselves (along with cushy pensions, massive equity, and all the other perks you get at 65).

They have already screwed over the youth with Brexit, hoarded the housing stock, ****ed the environment and now this...oh but if anyone complains oh sure you are just a whiny 'snowflake' phone zombie.

ps I am writing this from England so a slightly different angle.

So your jealous of penioners because they have a pension?
Is it possible that they spent their entire life from 14years old onwards actually working?
People who lived through a world war, the 70’s and 80’s and people who had to endure the decisions people like Tatcher made.

What age are you?

hmmm

partyguinness wrote: »

just to protect the elderly and sick who are well beyond their economic use. Let nature take its course.

Wow. And lots of "likes".

lawrencesummers

MarkY91 wrote: »

Record numbers out in parks

Barbers open behind closed doors. My local one gets people go come in via the laneway at the back

I know of someone getting a tattoo in a tattoo shop with shutters down

And I know for a fact that there's rented apartments for big drink/drug sessions going on in Dublin every weekend

There never was a lockdown lads.

Just because a few people you know have no comprehension of the greater good doesn’t mean the entire country is thick.

partyguinness

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8290353/ALEX-BRUMMER-Madness-45s-work-economy-burns.html

Out of 27k odd deaths only 322 have been under 45. I know this is UK figures but the breakdown around the world will be similar.

ShadowTech

patnor1011 wrote: »

Not to mention that most of nursing houses are private business. Why would state be required to cover pay for a workers in private for profit companies? They have enough on their table to provide for public service personnel.

Under normal circumstances I'd agree with this but when it comes to dealing with this public health emergency we are treating illnesses and deaths in private and public institutions the same and they all contribute to the same negative effects on our society and our finances. As long as numbers of deaths / ICU admittance are high our entire society is on hold. I suppose I'm arguing that if we are willing to shutdown our entire country and pay people to stay home (both in public and private employment) this really shouldn't be a concern if we can target our efforts and in the process allow for a more normal lifestyle.

LiquidZeb

Stark wrote: »

Pubs are probably the highest risk so people are using that as a benchmark to how far a country is along and how much they have things under control. "Look, they can open pubs, whereas I can't even say hello to my mother or attend my oncology appointment or drive more than 5km". It's not saying pubs are the highest priority for people.

No let him off. He's already made his mind up that everyone's a shallow drunk but him. He's the hero.

Stark

Penfailed wrote: »

Hahaha! That's quite a leap.
I'm not the Messiah, I'm a very naughty boy.

I can't multi-quote on my phone but if you have a read back over the last few days, there are a few posters that repeatedly use other countries that are opening up and using pubs as a reference point. They were the same people who, a couple of weeks ago, were saying, "It's not about pubs, it's the economy, stupid."

Pubs are probably the highest risk so people are using that as a benchmark to how far a country is along and how much they have things under control. "Look, they can open pubs, whereas I can't even say hello to my mother or attend my oncology appointment or drive more than 5km". It's not saying pubs are the highest priority for people.

MarkY91

Record numbers out in parks

Barbers open behind closed doors. My local one gets people go come in via the laneway at the back

I know of someone getting a tattoo in a tattoo shop with shutters down

And I know for a fact that there's rented apartments for big drink/drug sessions going on in Dublin every weekend

There never was a lockdown lads.

patnor1011

celt262 wrote: »

I don't think many of the staff would want to live their lives like that.

Not to mention that most of nursing houses are private business. Why would state be required to cover pay for a workers in private for profit companies? They have enough on their table to provide for public service personnel.

MarkY91

partyguinness

Just another example of the Baby Boomer generation looking after themselves (along with cushy pensions, massive equity, and all the other perks you get at 65).

They have already screwed over the youth with Brexit, hoarded the housing stock, ****ed the environment and now this...oh but if anyone complains oh sure you are just a whiny 'snowflake' phone zombie.

ps I am writing this from England so a slightly different angle.

Penfailed

LiquidZeb wrote: »

No one here keeps mentioning the pub but the likes of you. Stop pigeonholing people to feed your ego and Messiah complex.

Hahaha! That's quite a leap.
I'm not the Messiah, I'm a very naughty boy.

I can't multi-quote on my phone but if you have a read back over the last few days, there are a few posters that repeatedly use other countries that are opening up and using pubs as a reference point. They were the same people who, a couple of weeks ago, were saying, "It's not about pubs, it's the economy, stupid."

Ginger n Lemon

ixoy wrote: »

Each state can make its own timeline (in terms of specifics) I believe. Probably like our plan dependent on how it's going. Certain things have re-opened now, such as playgrounds for kids at least in some areas. Zoos to re-open shortly.

German schools have opened as of 4th of May.

Their shops of under 800 sq m have been opened since 27th of April.

Bundesliga first games will kick off 16th of May.

I think it can be safe to assume that they will be out of lockdown by 1st of June fully, bar large public gatherings.

PS. if its left up to each state things will open even faster, as the budgets in those states are already stretched hard. Merkel doesnt like the idea of free or cheap money hence doesnt want this euro bond nonsense going on. Smart.

partyguinness

Schools and educational institutions should be opened ASAP.

I have now come around to the view that it is completely arseways to screw over children's education and development just to protect the elderly and sick who are well beyond their economic use. Let nature take its course.

End the lock down and if people or certain sections of society are worried let them lock themselves away but let the rest of the world get on with it.

stephenjmcd

Benimar wrote: »

So, no dates or times for any of this? And it has to be agreed by the 16 states. Could you imagine the uproar if Leo had announced that!

A document dated May 5 means nothing, Ireland’s plan is dated May 1.

Incorrect, it's to be announced this morning, as per German media. With measures starting to be further relaxed from next week. Each state will be in charge of lifting their own restrictions. For example in Bavaria, from 18th May, restaurants and bars will be allowed open for outdoor dining, a week later indoor will be allowed and hotels reopen on 30th.

German football expected to begin behind closed doors in 2 weeks time.

LiquidZeb

Penfailed wrote: »

Yes. True. It's a issue in lots of countries that many on this thread would rather we follow. Some care homes in Spain were abandoned and the residents were left to fend for themselves...but Spain is great because their pubs are open soon.

No one here keeps mentioning the pub but the likes of you. Stop pigeonholing people to feed your ego and Messiah complex.

ixoy

Benimar wrote: »

So, no dates or times for any of this? And it has to be agreed by the 16 states. Could you imagine the uproar if Leo had announced that

Each state can make its own timeline (in terms of specifics) I believe. Probably like our plan dependent on how it's going. Certain things have re-opened now, such as playgrounds for kids at least in some areas. Zoos to re-open shortly.

[Deleted User]

Arghus wrote: »

Most of you here would do well to read the words of the poster in this thread. A consultant in an Irish hospital, whose hard factual information has been extremely sobering over the last few weeks.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=113352900#post113352900

This answer to a question from earlier today, should shock some of you back to reality, but I doubt it at this stage:

Very difficult to take someone seriously when they give out about us hitting his 'best case scenario', then goes on to chastise the public. Eh, what?