kaymin wrote: » Over 60% of deaths have been in nursing homes - this should never have happened. Our death rate would have been far far less except for the incompetence of our government and CMO.
uli84 wrote: » Got informed today that screening will be restarted “as soon as it is deemed safe to do so”, anybody knows when that is? We’re talking here about 1:1 appointment lasting 5 minutes max
Arghus wrote: » I watched Prof O' Keefe on the tonight show earlier - and not for the first time. As usual, his opinions about the lockdown were completely at odds with every opinion I've heard expressed by every single other medical expert since the beginning of this crisis. You can say our fellow poster is pulling figures out of his arse, but months ago he did predict our death rate by May with frightening accuracy. I sincerely hope he's way off this time.
Arghus wrote: » The ranting of Marcus de Brún does not constitute disagreement from "many medical professionals".
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Read them alright. My opinion is -Public health advice is an incredibly sensitive subject that needs to be handled with extreme caution to avoid causing unnecessary anxiety among vulnerable people. Many medical professionals are disagreeing now on this virus (see Dr Marcus Brun) -As the per the last statement in the quote, this is not my fault and nobody will force me to accept responsibility for Covid, or am I at fault for suggesting the economic catastrophe looming Ireland requires consideration. Ireland has plans for restrictions months after Europe.
Arghus wrote: » Most of you here would do well to read the words of the poster in this thread. A consultant in an Irish hospital, whose hard factual information has been extremely sobering over the last few weeks.https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=113352900#post113352900 This answer to a question from earlier today, should shock some of you back to reality, but I doubt it at this stage:
jmayo wrote: » I am fooking tired of this shyte about how the younger generations have it so such more difficult. Younger generations, anyone that was born after mid 1980s have for the most part has had the option of staying in this state. A fooking option not afforded to most people of previous generations. Yes there was downturn after construction bubble burst, but it seemed to afford a fair share a chance to go on almighty p**sup in Australia. Younger generations have enjoyed unknown advantages never before experienced by most people born in this state. Talk to older generations and find out how they had to travel to find a job and a life, not a fooking stag weekend or a post exam pi**up. Most people of older generations, the ones that some now want to see sacrificed to this disease, did not have access to second level education never mind fooking third level. Now almost everyone gets a shot at some third level or other. And another thing that a fair few of our older generations had to suffer was war because when they did emigrate some of them ended up in foreign armies fighting a real war. Some made the ultimate sacrifice for not alone their adopted country, but also the world as a whole. But some of the fookers today see the fact they can't go out and down the pub as the ultimate sacrifice.
SusieBlue wrote: » All cervical cancer screenings, smear tests & colposcopies have been cancelled until further notice. Early intervention is critical with this cancer, yet no services can be accessed nationwide by anyone. I doubt they want yet another health scandal on their hands but at this point it’s inevitable. There are going to be a lot of people who were either delayed in accessing services, or who couldn’t access services at all, who will be furious in a few months when the repercussions from paralysing our hospitals & health system becomes clear.
Arghus wrote: » tinfoil hat stuff
hopalongcass wrote: » You are quick to point out what one consultant said maybe you would do well to listen to other consultants,Prof. Michael O'Keefe Consultant Surgeon in the Mater in Dublin tonight just said he doesn't see any use in the 2km or 5km along with most of the restrictions he said makes no sense.
hopalongcass wrote: » Scaremongering so they can keep dipping into the bond market and signing us up to as many ventilators and tests as possible,no doubt deals they have already promised to their paymasters and are just using all their tools to swing the population into accepting spending their children and grandchildren into debt slavery.
Balf wrote: » So you see no particular connection to age? Its just a misleading distortion?
Well, I suggested that as restrictions came in we were looking at a reasonable best case scenario in the short-term ( to the end of May ) of 1500 to 2,000 dead. I think that has, unfortunately, been borne out. I also suggested in a post earlier in this thread that what would determine our death toll over the next year would be the balance that would have to be struck between acceptable casualties and economic/social activity. At the time I said that everyone was backing the lockdown but, unfortunately, as I expected, human nature, short-sightedness and selfishness are presenting themselves again and already a significant minority of people are openly admitted they're happy to return to normal so long as they're only killing other peoples' parents/grandparents. I suggested in that post that somewhere between 10 to 20 daily dead ( which would suggest that roughly 50 to 100 hospital admissions would occur daily, with an average treatment time of 2 weeks - so about 1,000 to 1500 hospitalised at any one time or 6 - 10% of the bed capacity) would be the acceptable figure to society. I think that is still so. We have about 26,000 people in nursing homes in Ireland and when it gets into a nursing home/residential facility it seems the death rate is roughly 1/3rd of residents. I think that is in keeping with a mortality of about 10,000 dead up to March next year and another 300 to 500 per month after that until a vaccine becomes widely available. So, I think we're still well on track for 10,000 dead in the year to March 2021 as a reasonable best case scenario and approximately about 13,000 till September 2021 IF we get the experimental vaccine in Q4 2020 and people continue to socially distance etc for the next 18 months. IF we get a very safe and effective vaccine in September 2020 that situation will improve but while the vaccine will be effective I don't think they'll have proven safety by September 2020. There just isn't enough time to prove that and I expect stocks will be limited so I don't think there will be enough vaccine available to vaccinate healthcare staff and the elderly. In that situation healthcare staff should be prioritised as the best protection for the elderly then will be that the healthcare staff can't transmit it to them. So, where are we. Pretty much on track for the reasonable best case scenario. The two things which will most impact this are: 1. Positively - a safer vaccine earlier. This could hugely reduce the death rate but while I think we'll have an experimental vaccine which is safe enough for high risk groups in Q4 2020 that won't solve the societal problem and I don't think we'll have the population vaccinated until Q4 2021. 2. Negatively - people being idiots once lockdown is lifted. I think this will absolutely happen. It won't be long before people are agitating to be able to go to pubs, soccer matches and to take advantage of all the cheap holidays in Spain, Croatia etc. If people behave in this way then we'll suffer significantly more dead and I think it would bump us up to the Pessimistic Best Case Scenario which would be 20,000 dead in the year to March 2021 and approximately 26,000 dead to September 2021. I think though that the most likely outcome is somewhere between the two as people won't maintain social distancing and the government will find itself having to dial up and down restrictions at it seeks to balance economic activity with death rate. So, if I had to bet money I'd say that from 1st March 2020 to 1st March 2021 we're probably looking at 15,000 dead, just splitting the difference, and with roughly 19,500 dead by the end of September 2021. To put it into perspective we would normally have about 31,000 dead in a 12 month period so that 15,000 would mean 46,000 dead in the 12 month period which is a roughly 50% spike in deaths. That is very significant. Are we lifting restrictions too soon? Yes, I think so but as I've said from the beginning, the lifting of restrictions will be based on a balancing of death rate and economic and social needs. Given the economic and social backlash the government's hand has been forced. As a society we can't blame the government for this, it is our fault.
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gozunda wrote: » Well no some dont seem to understand that tbh. As already detailed from today's figures for corona virus 26.8% of active cases are from the over 65 age category. With 74.2% of all active cases being of those under 65. Significance of deaths? Current restrictions and preventing health services being overwhelmed directly relates to these figures - not just the proportion of deaths relative to age group. Ie what was being discussed in the original comment relating to older peope in care homes and elsewhere.
Mad_maxx wrote: » Those unfortunate cases are extremely rare for anyone that age
Balf wrote: » Yes, we understand that. And, you understand, we also notice that the deaths, overwhelmingly, occur among the quarter of cases in the over 65 age group. Do you see any significance in that, at all?
easypazz wrote: » Daragh Cassidy of Bonkers.ie calculated that a family with a €200,000 mortgage would rack up a €2,600 bill on their mortgage during a six-month payment break period.
normanoffside wrote: » Private doctors and consultants are being paid by the state to effectively do nothing. Many were on the programmes tonight saying just this. Unable to see their own patients and not being given any work to do, their beds left empty and tax payers paying for it.
boetstark wrote: » Horse****, my neighbour is an icu nurse, 2 cases are both under 50 and still in icu after 3 weeks. Previously healthy and no underlying condition. I know both because they are work colleagues.
gozunda wrote: » Yoh do know that the issue is not only deaths yes? The above was not referring to over 65s 'deaths' btw. It was looking at active cases in care homes. But to digress and looking at today's figures - the over 65 age group accounts for just approx 26.8% of all active cases The fact is that 74.2% of all Covid infections are contracted by those under 65.
brickster69 wrote: » Problem for Irelands economy is it's debt repayments going forward. Already of 50% of the income ( 19.5 Billion ) goes on annual debt servicing, and that's before Covid.https://commodity.com/debt-clock/ireland/
brickster69 wrote: » https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/government-revenues Interest is 10,413€ Billion / year Read more at: https://commodity.com/debt-clock/ireland/
easypazz wrote: » Approx.90% of Covid deaths in Ireland are over ~65.
Assetbacked wrote: » Some life as a hospital worker the past few weeks!
