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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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stephenjmcd

Another poster put this on the main thread

https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1257729864993562624?s=19

LiquidZeb

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah 'cos that what was said lol. A poor try my non friend. That said a little bit of positivity is a hell of a lot better attitude and knowing things will get better - whilst we are dealing with a global pandemic - than the sackcloth and ashes that some here are peddling as anti establishment horse manure ...

It's easy tell no one belonging to you isn't awaiting any sort of test or treatment. Should they keep a positive attitude too?

gozunda

LiquidZeb wrote: »

The only one rambling about a conspiracy is you. Most people here think its mismanagement on the governments part.

Nope. Thats the moaners and groaners evidently . I guess you believe there must be a lot of "mismanagement" globally so? I hear Sweden is accepting anti restiction protestors for citizenship :pac:

ceadaoin.

SusieBlue wrote: »

All cervical cancer screenings, smear tests & colposcopies have been cancelled until further notice. Early intervention is critical with this cancer, yet no services can be accessed nationwide by anyone.

I doubt they want yet another health scandal on their hands but at this point it’s inevitable.
There are going to be a lot of people who were either delayed in accessing services, or who couldn’t access services at all, who will be furious in a few months when the repercussions from paralysing our hospitals & health system becomes clear.

This is shocking. What is the reason why screenings and treatments such as this can't take place? Hospitals are nowhere near overwhelmed and never were and these types of procedures would be taking place in dedicated facilities anyway and well away from any sick (with covid) patients. Absolute joke.

JPCN1

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

It sounds so selfish given how many people have died, but this is what's worrying me the most. I'm waiting for surgery. I was meant to have it in February but it's been cancelled due to the virus, and I haven't received any alternative date yet, and it doesn't look like I will anytime soon.

The issue I require surgery for is urgent - as noted by my consultants. The longer the delay in me having surgery, the more time I risk developing cancer. On a less serious note, the issue I have requiring surgery means I'm in pain daily, at all times, and there are some other issues that have an effect on my quality of life.

Honestly, I'd happily risk catching the virus (and I'm high risk) if I could just have the damn operation I've been waiting for a long time for, and be given a chance at getting better.

Firstly, very best of luck and I hope you get seen soon.

When the hospitals come back they cannot operate at full capacity due to social distancing so there will be less operations and increased need.

normanoffside

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

It sounds so selfish given how many people have died, but this is what's worrying me the most. I'm waiting for surgery. I was meant to have it in February but it's been cancelled due to the virus, and I haven't received any alternative date yet, and it doesn't look like I will anytime soon.

The issue I require surgery for is urgent - as noted by my consultants. The longer the delay in me having surgery, the more time I risk developing cancer. On a less serious note, the issue I have requiring surgery means I'm in pain daily, at all times, and there are some other issues that have an effect on my quality of life.

Honestly, I'd happily risk catching the virus (and I'm high risk) if I could just have the damn operation I've been waiting for a long time for, and be given a chance at getting better.

That's not selfish at all. Hopefully you get your surgery sorted ASAP

retro:electro

SusieBlue wrote: »

All cervical cancer screenings, smear tests & colposcopies have been cancelled until further notice. Early intervention is critical with this cancer, yet no services can be accessed nationwide by anyone.

I doubt they want yet another health scandal on their hands but at this point it’s inevitable.
There are going to be a lot of people who were either delayed in accessing services, or who couldn’t access services at all, who will be furious in a few months when the repercussions from paralysing our hospitals & health system becomes clear.

This is absolutely disgraceful. The more I read things like this the more I’m gobsmacked at the decisions being made from above. What on earth?!

LiquidZeb

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Thats the moaners and groaners evidently . I guess you believe there must be a lot of "mismanagement" globally so? I hear Sweden is accepting anti restiction protestors for citizenship :pac:

I'm not anti restrictions in the slightest. I agree with a lot of the measures taken. My bugbear is with the amount of time it's spread across and the damage it'll do economically. You might be content plugging your ears and ignoring it but it won't go away.

easypazz

LiquidZeb wrote: »

I'm not anti restrictions in the slightest. I agree with a lot of the measures taken. My bugbear is with the amount of time it's spread across and the damage it'll do economically. You might be content plugging your ears and ignoring it but it won't go away.

And it looks like a lot of people will die of other illnesses now anyway.

PmMeUrDogs

normanoffside wrote: »

That's not selfish at all. Hopefully you get your surgery sorted ASAP

Realistically it is, because I'm not at any immediate risk of death, and I thankfully don't have cancer. I know there are people in far worse conditions than me who are struggling far more. I can at least still work and live a relatively normal life.

But I'm scared. I've had other appointments for medical issues cancelled and they haven't been as urgent, so I'm not too concerned, I can live without them for a few more months if needs be. But cancelling necessary surgeries, cervical screenings, colposcopies, etc, absolutely baffles me. I understand the massive risk involved with potentially catching the virus, but things like those necessary treatments involve similarly massive risks if left undone!

Loozer

normanoffside wrote: »

As far as I can see there are 3 types of Lock-down Merchant

1. Long term unemployed happy with their welfare and delighted that hundreds of thousands of people are now forced to live like them,
2. Civil servants with cushy jobs in terms of pay, workloads and security.
3. Hypochondriacs

They'll be on here later when they get stoned

"Just chill and sit the fuk back and watch Netflix"

Little realising the circumstances some are stuck with atm mental health, abuse ,finances etc

gozunda

LiquidZeb wrote: »

It's easy tell no one belonging to you isn't awaiting any sort of test or treatment. Should they keep a positive attitude too?

Really?

LiquidZeb thats your best shot? Tbh the quality of your posts to others - like above is going downhill rapidly. Either engage with the argument or dont. Eitherway theres no need for the rabid personalisations like these ...

LiquidZeb wrote: »

For some reason I imagine you had a throbbing erection while writing that.

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Ok boomer.

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Brilliant glad you're so insulated you haven't to worry about a recession. Your €350 a week must stretch far so.

I'll leave you to it ...

brickster69

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Can you provide a link that shows 50% of the state's annual income is servicing debt?

I'd hate to think this was yet more fake news (and from a brexiter no less), it would make me flustered and sad

https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/government-revenues

Interest is 10,413€ Billion / year

Read more at: https://commodity.com/debt-clock/ireland/

normanoffside

Loozer wrote: »

They'll be on here later when they get stoned

"Just chill and sit the fuk back and watch Netflix"

Little realising the circumstances some are stuck with atm mental health, abuse ,finances etc

That's the category 1 crowd.

Mad_maxx

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah it's all a big conspiracy by the grey brigade. :rolleyes:

You need to cop on to the fact that the reason for the restrictions (just like other countries) is to reduce the number of active cases and to stop health services been overrun.

Those at risk - including the elderly in care homes do not exist in isolation. They cannot totally socially distance or completly cocoon as they live in high density settings with staff and other services coming from the wider community. Just one asymptomatic or presympotamic person and the infection spreads like wildfire in such settings. The same problems exist in other countries. It is not unique to Ireland in case you think it is..

And yes there are whingers on this thread who need a reality check. Yes a global recession is immiment. However things will get better and yes we need to deal with the current pandemic which poses a risk to all sectors of society ...

the nursing homes is a disaster and its horrible for the elderly people who live there but that is a seperate issue to the closing down the whole economy and a specific policy failure , we ( under seventies ) could have been instructed not to mix with elderly people and they not to mix with us , we have a responsibility not to infect but they have a responsibility to protect themselves , the over seventies may need to cocoon for a couple of years if no cure is found , the rest of us cant suspend our existence

LiquidZeb

Loozer wrote: »

They'll be on here later when they get stoned

"Just chill and sit the fuk back and watch Netflix"

Little realising the circumstances some are stuck with atm mental health, abuse ,finances etc

It's some of the most let them eat cake bs I've seen in my life.

LiquidZeb

gozunda wrote: »

Really?

LiquidZeb thats your best shot? Tbh the quality of your posts to others - like above is going downhill rapidly. Either engage with the argument or dont. Eitherway theres no need for the rabid personalisations like these ...

I'll leave you to it ...

You shouldn't have reposted the second one. I got a good telling off from the mod for posting such obscene content in this good Christian forum. Also did you really trawl through my recent posts to take them completely out of context? You should follow your own advice.

gozunda

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the nursing homes is a disaster and its horrible for the elderly people who live there but that is a seperate issue to the closing down the whole economy and a specific policy failure , we ( under seventies ) could have been instructed not to mix with elderly people and they not to mix with us , we have a responsibility not to infect but they have a responsibility to protect themselves , the over seventies may need to cocoon for a couple of years if no cure is found , the rest of us cant suspend our existence

It does not matter whether you or anyone are mandated not to mix with he "over 70s". Their carers live in the wider community. There is no way that those in nursing homes (with the current issue of care home outbreaks) and other elderly people can totally effectively cocoon or completely socially isolate whilst staff and carers interact with them but also others in the wider community. There are calls for care staff to completely isolate but I've no idea whether that's totally realistic either.

But more importantly - the issue of Covid-19 is not only with the over 70s and those in care homes. Only half the current deaths can be attributed to this cohort. Vulneralbities exist across all age groups - whether asthma, diabetes or other long term illnesses. And the disease affects a significant proportion of otherwise healthy under 70 year olds and results in a significant number of those infected being hospitalised.

And precisely because of this - countries across the would have adopted restrictions to control the numbers of those infected and to prevent health services being overrun. This is not unique to Ireland btw. It is a fact that many other countries are further along with their restrictions and / or have varying demographics than us.

Mad_maxx

gozunda wrote: »

It does not matter whether you or anyone are mandated not to mix with he "over 70s". Their carers live in the wider community. There is no way that those in nursing homes (with the current issue of care home outbreaks) and other elderly people can totally effectively cocoon or completely socially isolate whilst staff and carers interact with them but also others in the wider community. There are calls for care home staff to completely isolate but I've no idea whether that's totally realistic either.

But more importantly - the issue of Covid-19 is not only with the over 70s and those in care homes. Only half the current deaths can be attributed to this cohort. Vulneralbities exist across all age groups - whether asthma, diabetes or other long term illnesses. And the disease affects a significant proportion of otherwise healthy under 70 year olds and results in a significant number of those infected being hospitalised.

And precisely becsuse of that - countries across the would have adopted restrictions to control the numbers of those infected and to prevent health services being overrun. This is not unique to Ireland btw. It is a fact that many other countries are further along with their restrictions and / or have varying demographics than us.

the last two months have shown that if government has the will , they can do anything , those who work in nursing homes should have been forcibly cocooned themselves but compensated for the inconvenience , employ a guard to chaparone them to and fro from work so they dont mix with others if need be

your second point is altogether plain wrong , this disease is effectively harmless for the young but a tiny minority of young people die each year of various ailments , covid 19 is remarkably age specific in terms of who it most targets

there are outliers and a small minority of people of all age profiles are vulnerable due to underlying conditions but these are statistically insignificant , we should not have crippled the economy to counter such eventualities , time will prove doing so has created more death sentences than covid 19 ever could

[Deleted User]

The saddest thing is, we’ll never know how many died or suffered terribly from the lockdown.
Thousands could be dead as a result of appointments cancelled or treatment cancelled or fear of going the hospital. It’s ridiculous that this is happening!

The recession will be awful. Unemployment, rises in suicide, addiction, crime, mental health issues and so many more things. Funding cut across the board. People losing their homes.

I don’t doubt that Covid 19 is fairly serious. It will probably kill a couple of thousand Irish, mainly over 65.

But the end result would have been better than what we are in for.

Nobody will ever be able to put a figure on how die during recession. No one will ever admit how many died as a result of missed treatments. We’ll give ourselves a pat on the back for “saving lives”

Ginger n Lemon

I see one poster here wants us to be positive. Well, please see below:

anti body testing carried out in Germany, found Covid19 to have mortality rate of 0.36%.

anti body testing carried out in New york state, found covid 19 to have 0.56% mortality rate.

anti body testing carried out in california found covid19 to have 0.12% mortality rate.

In all 3 of these, over 15% of population already had covid19 and, as we have been told from the very start, had no symptoms/very mild symptoms.

I just hope when this is all over, we will have a responsible government who will create laws to ensure that some mad scientists cant just crash our economies and way of life based on their "models".

PS shocking story about a poster having delayed treatment, really hope it is scheduled asap. 1 thing is for sure, 1000+ people will sue HSE when this all over and pay outs will easily be worth more money than half a country on the dole for 3 months. bailout chances are increasing by the day...

boetstark

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the last two months have shown that if government has the will , they can do anything , those who work in nursing homes should have been forcibly cocooned themselves but compensated for the inconvenience , employ a guard to chaparone them to and fro from work so they dont mix with others if need be

your second point is altogether plain wrong , this disease is effectively harmless for the young but a tiny minority of young people die each year of various ailments , covid 19 is remarkably age specific in terms of who it most targets

there are outliers and a small minority of people of all age profiles are vulnerable due to underlying conditions but these are statistically insignificant , we should not have crippled the economy to counter such eventualities , time will prove doing so has created more death sentences than covid 19 ever could

Horse****, my neighbour is an icu nurse, 2 cases are both under 50 and still in icu after 3 weeks. Previously healthy and no underlying condition. I know both because they are work colleagues.

Kermit.de.frog

brickster69 wrote: »

https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/government-revenues

Interest is 10,413€ Billion / year

Read more at: https://commodity.com/debt-clock/ireland/

Is that 50% of the state's annual income?

gozunda

LiquidZeb wrote: »

You shouldn't have reposted the second one. I got a good telling off from the mod for posting such obscene content in this good Christian forum. Also did you really trawl through my recent posts to take them completely out of context? You should follow your own advice.

Incorrect again . I didn't. Though I'd suggest maybe you read boards TOU for some good guidance on posting. Just a suggestion btw.

But yes a bunch of your posts seem to be mostly overt personalisations just like the previous one above. So yes it's in context.

The point is either argue the point or dont. But dont post such personalised rubbish.

uli84

Got informed today that screening will be restarted “as soon as it is deemed safe to do so”, anybody knows when that is?
We’re talking here about 1:1 appointment lasting 5 minutes max

RugbyLad11

Deleted User wrote: »

The saddest thing is, we’ll never know how many died or suffered terribly from the lockdown.
Thousands could be dead as a result of appointments cancelled or treatment cancelled or fear of going the hospital. It’s ridiculous that this is happening!

The recession will be awful. Unemployment, rises in suicide, addiction, crime, mental health issues and so many more things. Funding cut across the board. People losing their homes.

I don’t doubt that Covid 19 is fairly serious. It will probably kill a couple of thousand Irish, mainly over 65.

But the end result would have been better than what we are in for.

Nobody will ever be able to put a figure on how die during recession. No one will ever admit how many died as a result of missed treatments. We’ll give ourselves a pat on the back for “saving lives”

The HSE don't care a whole lot about those deaths because as you say they are not going to be reported.

All they care about right now is keeping covid 19 deaths as low as possible as this is getting reported on each day

easypazz

gozunda wrote: »

But more importantly - the issue of Covid-19 is not only with the over 70s and those in care homes. Only half the current deaths can be attributed to this cohort.

Approx.90% of Covid deaths in Ireland are over ~65.

[Deleted User]

uli84 wrote: »

Got informed today that screening will be restarted “as soon as it is deemed safe to do so”, anybody knows when that is?
We’re talking here about 1:1 appointment lasting 5 minutes max

Jesus. Everyone in a position of authority is just in a blind f***ing irrational panic. It’s crazy, and the strong leadership necessary to pull us out of this downward spiral is completely absent

Quantum Erasure

normanoffside wrote: »

As far as I can see there are 3 types of Lock-down Merchant

1. Long term unemployed happy with their welfare and delighted that hundreds of thousands of people are now forced to live like them,

They're JEALOUS of our FREEDOM!

easypazz

boetstark wrote: »

Horse****, my neighbour is an icu nurse, 2 cases are both under 50 and still in icu after 3 weeks. Previously healthy and no underlying condition. I know both because they are work colleagues.

14 under 40's have died afaik.

Its a relatively low risk illness for younger people.