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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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JoeA3

Deleted User wrote: »

You haven’t done your bit obviously you have gone against medical advice and just because your a bit bored at home and won’t do what 99percent of the country are doing. Ah bit of sun no reason not to mix with different groups all is fine

99% of stats are pulled from one's arse.

_Kaiser_

Side note... have they actually fixed Boards finally??? Seems to be performing much better here now since a brief outage 20 mins ago

stephenjmcd

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Side note... have they actually fixed Boards finally??? Seems to be performing much better here now since a brief outage 20 mins ago

Looks like it. Also getting a load of delayed emails on followed threads

NIMAN

Naos wrote: »

What in your opinion are the negatives?

It really appears to depend on the person. Some people are really disliking it at the moment, some people are loving it and will want to change the way they work in the future. I do think people are not getting to experience it properly due to schools being closed etc which will negatively impact their experience of it.

I would like to think companies where WFH has been proven to be both successful & productive during this time will continue to allow it, bar an issue around trust I really fail to see why they would not give the option.

I have been working from home now for a few weeks, and it does of course have positives and negatives.

Main negative I'd say is the social side of it all. Being in a workplace is a social thing as well as a working thing. It is nice to meet work colleagues, have a bit of craic, a chat etc. At home, you can be on your own for long spells, a nd as I work night shift too, it can be strange trying to work through the night with no company.

There are definitely a lot of positives. I can now get up 10mins before I start work, instead of 80mins before. I don't have to drive for 30-40mins each way. When I finish a night shift and am tired, I don't have that drive ahead of me, I am 2mins from climbing into bed. I can go and take a 5min break and sit out in the sun today for example, have a cuppa.

Will I want to go back in to the office when all this is over? Yes and no. I would definitely consider alternating my time between house and office if my employer allowed it.

mille100piedi

road_high wrote: »

More than reminds me of stories from Nazi Germany- "where are your papers"? Never imagined we'd have anything remotely similar in Ireland 2020 for such a prolonged period.

my grandmother told me that during the war germans where stopping groups more than two person. You could walk outside only in pair and you couldn't stop for no reason you had to keep walking

KrustyUCC

Today is day one of the bonus 14 day lockdown the government have got from the HSEs inability to have sufficient testing in place

They better have it in place by May 18th

the kelt

ZX7R wrote: »

You're only making an assumption that the rise of people in hospitals are from the general public,they could have come from nursing homes or any state residential care or even from a know cluster.
There is little point of releasing this information if they they don't provide the information as to where the hospitalised patience came from.

But this seems to be the modus operandi. Just keep releasing snippets here and there without real information.

Ill ask again, the numbers arent good enough to start easing restrictions now so what do they need to be on May 18th?

What numbers and what metric has to be at what level?

After the last extension of restrictions they said for example that the R0 has to be below 1. We met that, it made no difference.

I mean whast the odds on then turning around on May the 18th and just say sorry the numbers arent good enough?

Those who are just set on following blindly would it not cross your mind to just say hold on, whast the story here, everyone else is opening up, whats wrong with us?

It isnt as some make out thinking you know more etc, its asking a question?

_Kaiser_

Naos wrote: »

The over 70's were never not allowed to leave their house.

And apparently lucky they are "allowed" to from today - it seems Dr Tony and co wanted to keep them locked in until August and possibly longer per the Indo this morning, but they were overruled by the Cabinet

Medical experts should not be making national policy decisions. Advice yes, recommendations sure, but these need to be weighted against the larger picture that is the health of the country as a whole - which thankfully happened in this case.

lord quackinton

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Irish government and CMO are inflicting far more long drawn out restrictions than nearly any other country in the world! Why are garden centres not already open? Why is golf not starting for another 2 weeks, one of the most socially distanced sports on the planet? (I'm not a golfer), Why is there no mention of dentists anywhere?? This is a medical service, it is essential to the health of so many people. Why are we restricted to no further than 20km until 20th July? That's 2 months away - this is insanity! What exactly are we basing our never ending lockdown on? No other country is doing this!
How dare 2 "experts" talk to Pat Kenny this morning on Newstalk and say most people are very happy to continue with these restrictions (!) and some are even reluctant to return to work (has €350 a week anything to do with that?).

Jacinta Ardern NZ Prime Minister last night specifically mentioned Ireland (in disbelief) saying some countries like Ireland were going for VERY long restrictions and NZ's plan was getting their economy back up and running much sooner.
https://extra.ie/2020/05/04/news/world-news/new-zealand-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-calls-out-irelands-five-phase-covid-19-strategy

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/newzealand-ireland-coronavirus-lockdown-lifting-21972612

When that lunatic is talking more sense Then our own leaders we are in serious trouble
Shocking to say this but I wish Charlie haughey was in charge today

oceanman

the kelt wrote: »

But this seems to be the modus operandi. Just keep releasing snippets here and there without real information.

Ill ask again, the numbers arent good enough to start easing restrictions now so what do they need to be on May 18th?

What numbers and what metric has to be at what level?

After the last extension of restrictions they said for example that the R0 has to be below 1. We met that, it made no difference.

I mean whast the odds on then turning around on May the 18th and just say sorry the numbers arent good enough?

Those who are just set on following blindly would it not cross your mind to just say hold on, whast the story here, everyone else is opening up, whats wrong with us?

It isnt as some make out thinking you know more etc, its asking a question?

giving the financial cost of the lockdown, why would you think any government would want to drag it out any longer than they have to?

Stark

_Kaiser_ wrote:

And apparently lucky they are "allowed" to from today - it seems Dr Tony and co wanted to keep them locked in until August and possibly longer per the Indo this morning, but they were overruled by the Cabinet

Medical experts should not be making national policy decisions. Advice yes, recommendations sure, but these need to be weighted against the larger picture that is the health of the country as a whole - which thankfully happened in this case.

Yeah a 70+ year old who's been confined to house for 4 months straight could find it very difficult to return to exercise after their house arrest stint is up, which would lead a whole host of co-morbidities down the road for them.

Not like there'll be a plentiful supply of physios to help them return to mobility as there would be if someone was confined due to accident/illness in normal times.

dashdoll

The park in my town has been closed and locked for weeks now. There is no other public amenity or walkway for people to go for a walk. Yet in the next town over which is 20 minutes away, it's huge park is open which has about 9km of walkway. It's ridiculous as there as older people walling main roads. I've been going for my drive to the park for the last few weeks for sanity and it's been lovely 2km ban or not.

Ginger n Lemon

I know the "save over 70s" brigade is going to come after me, but yet another extremely educated individual is coming out and saying - chill. Elderly are not going to drop like flies once pubs open. And in fact coronavirus isnt necessarily going to end million of lives if you are allowed to go to TKmaxx.

YOUR risk of dying from coronavirus is "roughly the same as your annual risk", a top expert says.

Professor David Spiegelhalter, a statistician at the University of Cambridge, said that people are "over anxious" about getting Covid-19 - despite the chances being relatively low.

Cork Boy 53

lord quackinton wrote: »

When that lunatic is talking more sense Then our own leaders we are in serious trouble
Shocking to say this but I wish Charlie haughey was in charge today

How is she a lunatic exactly? And CJ Haughey was hardly a role model that anyone would want to look up to.

the kelt

oceanman wrote: »

giving the financial cost of the lockdown, why would you think any government would want to drag it out any longer than they have to?

I didnt say they were?

Im asking whats wrong with asking the question as to why its taking longer for us than other countries to ease restrictions?

Im not saying other countries have it right and we have it wrong or vice versa for example because ultimately time will only prove that.

But surely there are reasons we are taking a longer drawn out approach compared to others, dont see anything wrong in asking why?

easypazz

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I know the "save over 70s" brigade is going to come after me, but yet another extremely educated individual is coming out and saying - chill. Elderly are not going to drop like flies once pubs open. And in fact coronavirus isnt necessarily going to end million of lives if you are allowed to go to TKmaxx.

YOUR risk of dying from coronavirus is "roughly the same as your annual risk", a top expert says.

Professor David Spiegelhalter, a statistician at the University of Cambridge, said that people are "over anxious" about getting Covid-19 - despite the chances being relatively low.

1.35m die in crashes but I rarely hear of people staying away from cars over fear of the risk. Many more end up in ICU from car crashes.

COVID has killed 270000, will it even reach 500000? People should be advised of the risks and allowed make informed decisions for themselves.

I agree with some social distancing, wfh where possible to control ICU beds but this whole thing has been brainwashed into people and the consequences will be with us for a long time.

Thelonious Monk

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

How is she a lunatic exactly? And CJ Haughey was hardly a role model that anyone would want to look up to.

Yeah Jacinda seems like one of the best leaders in the world right now, and she dealt with the mass shooting down there very well too

retro:electro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Irish government and CMO are inflicting far more long drawn out restrictions than nearly any other country in the world! Why are garden centres not already open? Why is golf not starting for another 2 weeks, one of the most socially distanced sports on the planet? (I'm not a golfer), Why is there no mention of dentists anywhere?? This is a medical service, it is essential to the health of so many people. Why are we restricted to no further than 20km until 20th July? That's 2 months away - this is insanity! What exactly are we basing our never ending lockdown on? No other country is doing this!
How dare 2 "experts" talk to Pat Kenny this morning on Newstalk and say most people are very happy to continue with these restrictions (!) and some are even reluctant to return to work (has €350 a week anything to do with that?).

Jacinta Ardern NZ Prime Minister last night specifically mentioned Ireland (in disbelief) saying some countries like Ireland were going for VERY long restrictions and NZ's plan was getting their economy back up and running much sooner.
https://extra.ie/2020/05/04/news/world-news/new-zealand-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-calls-out-irelands-five-phase-covid-19-strategy

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/newzealand-ireland-coronavirus-lockdown-lifting-21972612

And as well as that, the collateral damage from this virus will far outweigh and outlast any damage done from the virus alone. I find it absolutely appalling that cancer diagnosis and some treatments have been suspended for the foreseeable.

Cancer doesn’t wait and pause itself until these virus numbers start to drop. Two or three weeks of an interim can make all the difference in the prognosis of a patient and all I can say it is it was me or someone I love who was having their treatment or diagnosis delayed, I would be on every radio show in the country talking about how monumentally unacceptable it is.

I feel like a lot of people making these kinds of decisions have lost their fcuking minds.

[Deleted User]

lord quackinton wrote: »

When that lunatic is talking more sense Then our own leaders we are in serious trouble
Shocking to say this but I wish Charlie haughey was in charge today

New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, reached an almost record-breaking approval rating while the country has been in its strictest lockdown due to Covid 19, according to a new poll. Ardern’s personal approval rating is now 65% while the opposition leader, Simon Bridges, sits on 7%. 78% of New Zealanders believe NZ is heading in the right direction - the highest approval rating since 1991. She and her ministers have taken a 20% PAYCUT to show solidarity with the citizens of NZ at this time.

WOULD CHARLIE HAUGHEY HAVE TAKEN A 20% PAYCUT?

_Kaiser_

Deleted User wrote: »

New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, reached an almost record-breaking approval rating while the country has been in its strictest lockdown due to Covid 19, according to a new poll. Ardern’s personal approval rating is now 65% while the opposition leader, Simon Bridges, sits on 7%. 78% of New Zealanders believe NZ is heading in the right direction - the highest approval rating since 1991. She and her ministers have taken a 20% PAYCUT to show solidarity with the citizens of NZ at this time. WOULD CHARLIE HAUGHEY HAVE DONE THAT?

CJH had a LOT of flaws, but I couldn't see him handing over the reins to Tony H as Leo has done.

[Deleted User]

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I know the "save over 70s" brigade is going to come after me, but yet another extremely educated individual is coming out and saying - chill. Elderly are not going to drop like flies once pubs open. And in fact coronavirus isnt necessarily going to end million of lives if you are allowed to go to TKmaxx.

YOUR risk of dying from coronavirus is "roughly the same as your annual risk", a top expert says.

Professor David Spiegelhalter, a statistician at the University of Cambridge, said that people are "over anxious" about getting Covid-19 - despite the chances being relatively low.

In other words it doubles your annual risk, which for most of us thankfully leaves it pretty low.

https://medium.com/wintoncentre/how-much-normal-risk-does-covid-represent-4539118e1196

[Deleted User]

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

CJH had a LOT of flaws, but I couldn't see him handing over the reins to Tony H as Leo has done.

I agree with you on this. My post was defending Jacinda Ardern (wasn't me who brought Charlie Haughey into it :rolleyes:). She is far from a raving lunatic, she is one of the most respected leaders in the world currently.

expectationlost

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

And apparently lucky they are "allowed" to from today - it seems Dr Tony and co wanted to keep them locked in until August and possibly longer per the Indo this morning, but they were overruled by the Cabinet

Medical experts should not be making national policy decisions. Advice yes, recommendations sure, but these need to be weighted against the larger picture that is the health of the country as a whole - which thankfully happened in this case.

NPHET do want over's 70's and vulnerable to stay cocooning but allowed that they wouldn't heres the letter https://assets.gov.ie/73788/5d0c9cc4619c4f59877bf3f6e7a14afb.pdf careful wording in order that they advice not be dismissed...

princereingold

Spineless Varadkar and Harris have let Holohan take over the running of the country .

The trial in curfew and control will continue as long as Holohan and his cohorts can realistically justify .

This lockdown is no longer about the ccp virus.

It has presented the higher powers a perfect opportunity to see how easily by means of fear ,the people can be isolated and controlled.

[Deleted User]

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I know the "save over 70s" brigade is going to come after me, but yet another extremely educated individual is coming out and saying - chill. Elderly are not going to drop like flies once pubs open. And in fact coronavirus isnt necessarily going to end million of lives if you are allowed to go to TKmaxx.

YOUR risk of dying from coronavirus is "roughly the same as your annual risk", a top expert says.

Professor David Spiegelhalter, a statistician at the University of Cambridge, said that people are "over anxious" about getting Covid-19 - despite the chances being relatively low.

Do you have a link to this?

From https://wintoncentre.maths.cam.ac.uk/news/how-much-normal-risk-does-covid-19-represent/

The Imperial College team estimates that if the virus went completely unchallenged, around 80% of people would be infected and there would be around 510,000 deaths.

So, roughly speaking, we might say that getting COVID-19 is like packing a year’s worth of risk into a week or two. Which is why it’s important to spread out the infections to avoid the NHS being overwhelmed

road_high

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

CJH had a LOT of flaws, but I couldn't see him handing over the reins to Tony H as Leo has done.

I agree very much - CJH was before my time but very much the anthesis of the “woke” brigade of which Leo would be a poster child. He’d have used his bloody common sense in tandem with the economic realities

iamwhoiam

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/cabinet-overruled-health-officials-on-advice-that-over-70s-should-keep-cocooning-until-august-39181325.html

Health officials advised that over-70s should keep cocooning in their homes until August but were overruled by the Cabinet.

The National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet) recommended that cocooning advice for older and vulnerable people should remain in place for the next three months. The advice was included in the original version of the roadmap for reopening the country.

However, after a debate at Cabinet, ministers decided to remove the recommendation from the Government's 'Roadmap for Reopening Society and Business'.

In my opinion NPHET showed a complete disregard for the mental and physical health of the over 70's with that advice .By August anyone cocooning would have serious issues with mental health and with physical ability and many with anxiety and severe lonliness
And so that NPHET would look good and the numbers would look good they were willing to throw a whole generation under the bus for it

Cork Boy 53

Deleted User wrote: »

New Zealand’s prime minister, Jacinda Ardern, reached an almost record-breaking approval rating while the country has been in its strictest lockdown due to Covid 19, according to a new poll. Ardern’s personal approval rating is now 65% while the opposition leader, Simon Bridges, sits on 7%. 78% of New Zealanders believe NZ is heading in the right direction - the highest approval rating since 1991. She and her ministers have taken a 20% PAYCUT to show solidarity with the citizens of NZ at this time.

WOULD CHARLIE HAUGHEY HAVE TAKEN A 20% PAYCUT?

bloodless_coup

NPHET have lost the run of themselves. This is a coup!

Penfailed

princereingold wrote: »

Spineless Varadkar and Harris have let Holohan take over the running of the country .

The trial in curfew and control will continue as long as Holohan and his cohorts can realistically justify .

This lockdown is no longer about the ccp virus.

It has presented the higher powers a perfect opportunity to see how easily by means of fear ,the people can be isolated and controlled.

You're veering sharply into conspiracy theory sh1te with that comment.