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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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easypazz

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Would you like to be a member of staff trying to ensure social distancing in pubs on a Friday night in the middle of Dublin?

Didn't think so.

Yeah I'd be well capable of it.

Penfailed

seamusk84 wrote: »

Still don't get it.

Tomorrow can I drive to a non essential shop in my 5km radius? Lets say I want to go to pick up food in the Italian I like but which is further away from a closer one I don't like.

IE: Can I make unnecessary car journeys within a 5km radius of my gaf? What do I say to the Garda if I get stopped. Can I say: I'm out for a drive but am within a 5km radius of my house so jog on.

The 5km is for exercise ONLY. Journeys by car are for essential reasons such as going for food or medicine. What's to stop you trying?

VonLuck

Penfailed wrote: »

The 5km is for exercise ONLY. Journeys by car are for essential reasons such as going for food or medicine. What's to stop you trying?

A bit of respect for everyone else's commitment to sticking to the restrictions maybe?

Sebastian Dangerfield

hmmm wrote: »

It lowers the risk of widespread geographical spread of the virus, and most people in local communities don't want outsiders visiting them right now.

How so? We were going to the same place regardless. The guard said we were allowed to walk there, but not to drive there.

seamusk84

Penfailed wrote: »

The 5km is for exercise ONLY. Journeys by car are for essential reasons such as going for food or medicine. What's to stop you trying?

Thanks, I was afraid of that. So at what phase/date can we start making unnecessary car journeys?

Sorry, it's just there is so much confusing information out there. Appreciate the straight answers here

normanoffside

Penfailed wrote: »

The 5km is for exercise ONLY. Journeys by car are for essential reasons such as going for food or medicine. What's to stop you trying?

Actually Leo specifically said you can drive 5 km to a place where you can get exercise

Squeeonline

CruelSummer wrote: »

This kind of vilification of people enjoying the nice weather, at a social distance is ridiculous. Everyone in pics provided are in groups, helping themselves stay sane during a way over the top lockdown that doesn’t even need to continue for the next two weeks. If you’re an at risk person, it’s not the public’s fault, people have to live their lives.
I think a day of reckoning is on the way for the government. Far too slow to lift restrictions, while the damage is catastrophic. I would understand if the death rate was 8-10%. But it’s actually less than 1% so therefore why are we even locked down at the moment?!

I know I'm way late, but the case fatality rate is around 6%. This means out of 100 people confirmed diagnosed with Corona, 6 will die.

Do you want to name those 6 people? Or do there have to be more for you to care? Fancy picking out some sick/elderly members of your family you'd like to sacrifice to the cause?

The rate is "low" (relative to Italy, Spain etc) BECAUSE of the restrictions. We know this because the UK is similar, and has far more death as they reacted later.

NIMAN

Penfailed wrote: »

The 5km is for exercise ONLY. Journeys by car are for essential reasons such as going for food or medicine. What's to stop you trying?

Here's a question I'd like to see answered.

Would I be allowed to drive to an Aldi store say 20km away, if there is a supervalu 5km away?

Penfailed

normanoffside wrote: »

Actually Leo specifically said you can drive 5 km to a place where you can get exercise

Did he? I missed that.

mjsc1970

normanoffside wrote: »

Actually Leo specifically said you can drive 5 km to a place where you can get exercise

Did he?

Is that a change in the existing 2km rule. At the moment can you drive to a beach or park and park there and exercise in the park or beach? Is that currently allowed to drive there if within 2km?

hmmm

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

How so? We were going to the same place regardless. The guard said we were allowed to walk there, but not to drive there.

The Guards can't have checkpoints everywhere. If you're on foot with a bunch of kids in tow, they can have a reasonable assumption you're not going too far. A bunch of kids in the back of a car, and there's no way to be sure you really are going "just up the road".

hmmm

mjsc1970 wrote: »

Did he?

Is that a change in the existing 2km rule. At the moment can you drive to a beach or park and park there and exercise in the park or beach? Is that currently allowed to drive there if within 2km?

If he said that (proof?) he's wrong. The 5k limit is for exercise from your home. You are not supposed to be driving to a location 5k away, and I expect this is how the guards will enforce it.

Until the 4th phase, we are told to avoid unnecessary journeys (car journeys).

You have always been able to drive outside the 2k/5k if you have good reason e.g. food shopping, looking after elderly.

Penfailed

Squeeonline wrote: »

I know I'm way late, but the case fatality rate is around 6%. This means out of 100 people confirmed diagnosed with Corona, 6 will die.

Do you want to name those 6 people? Or do there have to be more for you to care? Fancy picking out some sick/elderly members of your family you'd like to sacrifice to the cause?

The rate is "low" (relative to Italy, Spain etc) BECAUSE of the restrictions. We know this because the UK is similar, and has far more death as they reacted later.

6%?! Really? That's the highest percentage I've heard yet! Worrying, if true.

easypazz

So if they are opening golf clubs do you need to walk the 5kM with your clubs?

Penfailed

mjsc1970 wrote: »

At the moment can you drive to a beach or park and park there and exercise in the park or beach? Is that currently allowed to drive there if within 2km?

No.

easypazz

Penfailed wrote: »

6%?! Really? That's the highest percentage I've heard yet! Worrying, if true.

1303/21506 = ~6%

Cork Boy 53

NIMAN wrote: »

Here's a question I'd like to see answered.

Would I be allowed to drive to an Aldi store say 20km away, if there is a supervalu 5km away?

Legally no you wouldn`t be allowed to do that under the current restrictions.

conor2469

hmmm wrote: »

The Guards can't have checkpoints everywhere. If you're on foot with a bunch of kids in tow, they can have a reasonable assumption you're not going too far. A bunch of kids in the back of a car, and there's no way to be sure you really are going "just up the road".

But in that case, whats to stop the gardai assuming that everyone is lying when they roll up to a checkpoint/

Garda: Where are you going?

Me: Shopping.

Garda: Prove it

Me:..... *Shows them empty shopping bags*?

Surely there has to be a certain amount of trust in the community? Assuming that someone travelling in a car with children is breaking restrictions until they somehow prove otherwise?

SNNUS

Squeeonline wrote: »

I know I'm way late, but the case fatality rate is around 6%. This means out of 100 people confirmed diagnosed with Corona, 6 will die.

Do you want to name those 6 people? Or do there have to be more for you to care? Fancy picking out some sick/elderly members of your family you'd like to sacrifice to the cause?

The rate is "low" (relative to Italy, Spain etc) BECAUSE of the restrictions. We know this because the UK is similar, and has far more death as they reacted later.

85% of all statistics are made up.

KrustyUCC

easypazz wrote: »

So if they are opening golf clubs do you need to walk the 5kM with your clubs?

I think so as golf will still be classed as non essential

It's July before you can travel for non essential reasons

Painfully slow

Other countries will have been able to travel internally for 2 months at that stage

Penfailed

easypazz wrote: »

1303/21506 = ~6%

Ah! I reread the previous post. So circa 6% of people actually diagnosed with C-19 die. This doesn't take into account all those that weren't tested or those that are asymptomatic and don't even know if they've had it. More testing required then so.

KrustyUCC

easypazz wrote: »

So if they are opening golf clubs do you need to walk the 5kM with your clubs?

Jinglejangle69

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I think so as golf will still be classed as non essential

It's July before you can travel for non essential reasons

Painfully slow

Other countries will have been able to travel internally for 2 months at that stage

How can you or anyone be so sure of that?

Noone can see 2 months ahead with this virus yet you think you know it all

conor2469

normanoffside wrote: »

Actually Leo specifically said you can drive 5 km to a place where you can get exercise

I think the roadmap document needs to be modified to clarify this. I have seen this asked a lot and it is not clarified in the version of the roadmap document I am reading (Unless I have an older draft?). This is going to be even more confusing when the restriction increases to 20km and golf clubs re-open.
Are golfers going to be expected to trek 20km with their golf bag on their back? :pac: Or are only golfers who live next to their club going to be able to avail of the amenity?

Stark

Defintely not. There's ambiguity at the moment as they're trying to stop parks/beaches from becoming too congested so closing car parks and turning people away who drive there. But in one of the early phases, they specifically say car parks will reopen for people driving to recreation.

[Deleted User]

seamusk84 wrote: »

Still don't get it.

Tomorrow can I drive to a non essential shop in my 5km radius? Lets say I want to go to pick up food in the Italian I like but which is further away from a closer one I don't like.

IE: Can I make unnecessary car journeys within a 5km radius of my gaf? What do I say to the Garda if I get stopped. Can I say: I'm out for a drive but am within a 5km radius of my house so jog on.

You see, this is the problem with these updates to the restrictions, they are obviously open to interpretation by anyone in authority and when people hear the likes of Varadkar say something, he should be believed (when I typed that it was with a huge pinch of salt..lol) I watched the interview with Varadkar on rte player and not long into it he clearly said: ' .. after Tuesday,.. you can go for walk, a drive or a cycle with others in your household, not to engage with other people...' Hi did not say that the 5km was for exercise only Where as a Garda might stop you and say it's an unnecessary journey, so they really need to get their stories straight.
He also went on to talk about masks and said the jury is still out on masks,,, what jury is he on about? the Eurovision jury? He also said if people are going to wear masks that he would prefer them to coverings rather than masks, to keep those for the HSE, he needs to be careful about those type of comments also, because the lockdown psychos will become the mask police and if they see people wearing PPE masks in public, the snide comments will be sickening.

road_high

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I think so as golf will still be classed as non essential

It's July before you can travel for non essential reasons

Painfully slow

Other countries will have been able to travel internally for 2 months at that stage

Hopefully this nonsensical nanny state rubbish falls flat on its arse soon. Insanity compared to the continent where common sense rains supreme.

fly_agaric

seamusk84 wrote: »

Sorry, it's just there is so much confusing information out there. Appreciate the straight answers here

Maybe go to the horse's mouth (not to extent of reading legislation etc, just the pages on gov.ie about it). They seem fairly clear to me but suppose it is a lot to wrap ones head around given its all so weird + surreal & very far outside our normal experiences (even after a good few weeks of it).
It can get a bit garbled filtered through different journalists, news outlets, heard 3rd hand off other people etc (though have found RTE website okay).

edit: How odd. speak of the devil! :pac:

The HorsesMouth

Squeeonline wrote: »

I know I'm way late, but the case fatality rate is around 6%. This means out of 100 people confirmed diagnosed with Corona, 6 will die.

Do you want to name those 6 people? Or do there have to be more for you to care? Fancy picking out some sick/elderly members of your family you'd like to sacrifice to the cause?

The rate is "low" (relative to Italy, Spain etc) BECAUSE of the restrictions. We know this because the UK is similar, and has far more death as they reacted later.

This is completely distorted. There are many times that many people who have actually had corona virus. Cillian De Gascun said there is a possibility it could be between 5% and 30% of the population. So even if you took the lower 5% it works out at 0.65% of cases.
There is not an expert in the world willing to state a percentage fatality rate and until we have the antibody test to see who has or hasn't had this thing we wont be able to predict one.

Ginger n Lemon

hmmm wrote: »

If the barber was outside, neither of you was speaking, neither of you was symptomatic, both of you wearing respirator masks, and cutting your hair with some sort of tree lopper from a few metres away, it's probably 100% safe. Anything else increases the risk of the virus being transmitted and the government will be acting on health advice.

Thats the huge issue. Government should NOT act on health advice alone. This is some sort of a horrible dream isnt it?

Is our government now only able to pursue 1 agenda? Whats the point of employing all those economists, accountants and finance professionals in the government buildings if you will act on health advice only?

All of this reminds me of a south park episode where Canadian government wanted more internet money, and they were feeding people absolute nonsense throughout the episode and got found out and sent packing at the end of the episode.