Penfailed wrote: » When it's pointed out that issues in nursing homes are not confined to Ireland, you say that you aren't aware of the facts in other countries yet you're quick to rely on what's happening in other countries to back up your thinking on other issues.
easypazz wrote: » Over 6000 (probably 7000 now) healthcare workers infected. How many close contacts and nursing home patients did they go on to infect?
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » I am judging NPHET expertise, and my judgement is the response to the pandemic has been very poor. A shambles. Merely for the following reasons: -over 1300 dead -22% unemployment created, 14% unemployment September onwards into next year -Thousands of jobs lost Compare that to New Zealand. Compare it to South Korea, compare it to Czech republic, or Denmark, Norway, Finland. Even Poland with a population of 39m people has had 680 deaths. Unfortunately...
storker wrote: » Translation; "I have no argument so I'll reach for sarcasm and a oneliner." Impressive. Enjoy your coffee which, based on your demonstrated ability to judge expertise, is probably week-old cocoa. .
Penfailed wrote: » Except they aren't. More lies.
Benimar wrote: » https://assets.gov.ie/73722/ffd17d70fbb64b498fd809dde548f411.pdf
iamwhoiam wrote: » Where can we read the detailed lifting of restrictions ? Is there an official site ?
Benimar wrote: » Read the full paragraph about the over 70’s. ‘Visits to homes of over 70s and medically vulnerable by no more than a small number of persons for a short period of time wearing gloves, face coverings, maintaining strict 2m social distancing‘ Under 70s can meet without those requirements, bar the social distancing one.
lawrencesummers wrote: » I think you have a point, Ryanair, airlingus, BA went through the 1918 flu pandemic with no effect on them. Wait. Hmmm something’s wrong. Would I be that commercial air travel only Began in earnest post world war 2....
gozunda wrote: » Not me saying that Covid-19 as a disease is a significant risk btw. That's the concensus of health professional globally. I'd suggest you discuss that with them. As to why restrictions are starting to lift in some countries? Because yes those countries have managed to reduce the numbers being infected and dying from Covid-19. However even those countries acknowledge they are not out of the woods yet. Btw re Italy which has been eight weeks with restrictions. The restrictions here started on March 12th - that's just six weeks. What needs to be watched is that some areas like Germany who were winding back restrictions are seeing an increase in infection rates.https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/28/coronavirus-germany-s-covid-19-infection-rate-rises-after-lockdown-lifted
easypazz wrote: » And some bars in Spain from today.
NIMAN wrote: » And people are asking why the media aren't questioning our politicians? Say what you want about trump, at least he has the balls to answer questions daily, no matter how rubbish his answers are sometimes.
easypazz wrote: » Tony "Cervicalcheck" Holohan. Dare we challenge him.
growleaves wrote: » Some people were saying it two months ago. It wasn't a lack of information, it was a lack of honesty and proportion that led to broad acceptance of the lockdown. For the last 1000 years pandemics have been dealt with by travel restrictions and quarantining the sick. We kept our airports open, refused to quarantine the sick in fact sending them into nursing homes, but don't worry because we're going to turn the country into a prison instead and other countries are doing it.
RugbyLad11 wrote: » We can't visit other peoples homes until 2nd phase but in the 2nd phase we can also visit the homes of over 70's"Visits to homes of over 70's and vulnerable permitted""Up to four people can visit another household for a short period" This doesn't make sense to me, if it's so dangerous for young people to visit another home until phase 2, why are over 70's and vulnerable allowed at the dame time? Surely young people should be allowed to visit each other before the vulnerable people?
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Ahhh the old "expert opinion" debate. Well, if Tony Holohan is consulting the expert opinion, we have absolutely nothing to worry about. Our response to Coronavirus has been top notch and will be published in years to come as "how to respond to a pandemic, by Tony Holohan and expert opinions" I dont usually say this, but wake up and smell the coffee.
JRant wrote: » It's pure BS in fact to even suggest social distancing can be maintained on site, in many cases it's actually against current health and safety requirements to even suggest them.
storker wrote: » Thanks for proving my point, and continuing to pretend that having a Noble prize in <anything> qualifies someone to pass judgement on a virus pandemic more so that experts in the fields of, er...viruses and pandemics. If onlty Seamus Heaney was still alive. He coudl have really helped out...and delivered his advice in poetic form as a bonus. Do you really imagine that Tony Holohan isn't also consulting expert opinion? But hey, maybe you could e-mail him and give him a steer in the direction of a prize-winning chemist or physicist. :rolleyes: For someone who has so much to say about the virus and lockdown, you give every appearance of being spectacularly ill-informed about the topic. .
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Hey, if you think Tony Holohan should be listened to rather than Nobel winning scientists, knock yourself out. He is frequently on at RTE news at 6, along with Simon Harris, "defeating the virus".
Downlinz wrote: » What's jarring is people referring to Italy and Spain "opening up" when their relaxation measures include things like allowing people out to exercise and allowing takeaway restaurants to deliver. Things we've had all along. Not even to touch on the notion of wanting to follow the lead of the countries who have handled the pandemic in the worst possible way.
Keano wrote: » You have a lot more faith in Irish people so than I do so.
