gozunda wrote: » And again that post much like your others is lityle more than a **** sandwich of cheap shots and bluster. You can ignore the fact that the Covid-19 poses a significant risk to human life and public health and is highly contagious all you like. Thankfully such denial of the facts doesn't change anything, other than highlight the incredible stupidity of that type of ignorance. I suggest you knock of the alcohol. Its doing you no favours.
JRant wrote: » Looking at the numbers again this morning and it's even more encouraging than I thought. 60,000 tests carried out last week, which is over 33% of all tests carried out to date (160,000). The percentage of positive results was still well below 5% growth rate day on day. This was mainly nursing homes as well where they know they already have clusters. They plan on beginning residential care settings this week. Numbers down to 93 in ICU and continuing to fall. Disappointed to hear they are only now planning on using the private hospitals for non-covid treatments. They really should have been sweating those assets this whole time as we are paying top dollar for using them. All in all, I think we should be out of this long before August. A new government should be formed in a couple of weeks and will be made up of TDs that actually represent constituents rather than the likes of Ross and Zappone. There is absolutely no way we see the types of restrictions outlined in the roadmap until mid August, especially considering it's costing at least 600 million extra a week so far, not including the 6.5 billion package announced on Friday.
gozunda wrote: » that post much like your others is lityle more than a **** sandwich of cheap shots and bluster.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Significant risk? So, is that why all of below is happening, TODAY? I love this country, it has great potential but for some reason our heads of genuinely chose to keep us in medieval times in comparison to all of below countries. 1 thing that unites Ireland, Germany, Italy & Spain - peak has been reached and passed and curve has been flattened in all... fact. " After eight weeks in lockdown, Italy is finally lifting some of its restrictions. People will be able to visit relatives, parks are reopening, and bars and restaurants can do takeaway. About four million people are expected to go back to work. Small businesses like hairdressers are opening their doors in Spain, though they can only serve customers who have made appointments. Some of the country's islands will loosen restrictions even further, as they have not been as badly affected as the mainland Zoos, museums, hairdressers and even some schools reopen in Germany, with the youngest students there returning to classrooms first"
easypazz wrote: » Regarding significant risk. 1.35 Million people die in car crashes every year. So far 250000 have died of COVID. If we reduced global speed limits to 50kph and put speed restrictors on cars we would certainly save a lot more than 250000 lives, with minimal effort, every year. It would free up untold ICU beds. Yet no politician wants to go there. COVID 19 has been overhyped beyond comprehension.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Significant risk? So, is that why all of below is happening, TODAY? I love this country, it has great potential but for some reason our heads of genuinely chose to keep us in medieval times in comparison to all of below countries. 1 thing that unites Ireland, Germany, Italy & Spain - peak has been reached and passed and curve has been flattened in all... fact. After eight weeks in lockdown, Italy is finally lifting some of its restrictions. People will be able to visit relatives, parks are reopening, and bars and restaurants can do takeaway. About four million people are expected to go back to work. Small businesses like hairdressers are opening their doors in Spain, though they can only serve customers who have made appointments. Some of the country's islands will loosen restrictions even further, as they have not been as badly affected as the mainland Zoos, museums, hairdressers and even some schools reopen in Germany, with the youngest students there returning to classrooms first"
shocksy wrote: » Yawn!!!!! Do you never get tired of posting the same sh!t over and over. The road map has been laid out. Deal with it. You wont be having pints anytime soon KID. Now run along to another thread were you will most likely continue more of your repetitive sh!t posting. See ya kid.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » It has. And very smart people already say this, below video is on youtubeNobel prize winning scientist Prof Michael Levitt: lockdown is a “huge mistake” If people arent willing to listen to Nobel prize winning scientists then I actually think there is no hope. And hopefully NPHET will listen too. There was a great quote there below " What we needed was sensible voluntary social distancing, more face masks and PPE, and more testing. Instead we got the Great Panic, termination of all liberties and catastrophic economic outcomes."
gozunda wrote: » Not me saying that Covid-19 as a disease is a significant risk btw. That's the concensus of health professional globally. I'd suggest you discuss that with them. As to why restrictions are starting to lift in some countries? Because yes those countries have managed to reduce the numbers being infected and dying from Covid-19. However even those countries acknowledge they are not out of the woods yet. Btw re Italy which has been eight weeks with restrictions. The restrictions here started on March 12th - that's just six weeks. What needs to be watched is that some areas like Germany who were winding back restrictions are seeing an increase in infection rates.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » There was a great quote there below " What we needed was sensible voluntary social distancing, more face masks and PPE, and more testing. Instead we got the Great Panic, termination of all liberties and catastrophic economic outcomes."
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Today is 4th of May, 7 weeks lockdown here. I appreciate those countries acknowledge the virus isnt gone, but how is Ireland different? Have we not flattened the curve? Have we not reached the peak? I guess the question is very simple, why are barbers scheduled to be out of work in Ireland for 5 months while in countries like Spain, Germany, Denmark, etc 2 months? There is something here that isnt right, you cant dismiss that... ? If you say we are being super protective and cautious I ll understand. PS the consensus of health professionals globally? WHO came out last week and said Sweden's model is the way to go. January to April of this year they were saying Sweden are crazy. Please tell me what credibility do global health professionals have left?
easypazz wrote: » Regarding significant risk. 1.35 Million people die in car crashes every year.So far 250000 have died of COVID.If we reduced global speed limits to 50kph and put speed restrictors on cars we would certainly save a lot more than 250000 lives, with minimal effort, every year. It would free up untold ICU beds.Yet no politician wants to go there.COVID 19 has been overhyped beyond comprehension.
easypazz wrote: » It is very sad to see so many people blindly following the Leo plan without have the intuition to even question it. And then they have a meltdown when somebody proposes anything alternative, demanding people leave the thread. So sad.
JRant wrote: » My take on the roadmap is that it is super conservative on purpose. When we get out of this quicker than outlined then they can turn around and give themselves a massive pat on the back. People have an extraordinary ability to change in the face of adversity, however if the government won't allow businesses to even try then that's an absolute scandal. Another point that needs to be made is Phase 5 is completely unworkable. We cannot change hundreds of years of building and infrastructure planning over a few short months. Social distancing is not here to stay, it's a stop gap measure. People living in high volume areas cannot and should not be expected to adhere to 2m separation indefinitely. Schools, creches, public transport, office spaces are not designed that way and being honest never will.
easypazz wrote: » On 23 January director of the HSE's Health Protection Surveillance Centre said the risk of coronavirus cases in Ireland was “quite low”, “If we were to see a case in a European country the risk of a secondary case – a person transmitting to somebody else – is also low”. The above was the position of Irish "experts" in January. These same clueless people are now presiding over possibly the most conservative unwinding plan in Europe or even the world. It is disappointing that so many people continue to blindly follow their doctrine and never question anything.
Keano wrote: » “What it has done differently is it has very much relied on its relationship with its citizenry and the ability and willingness of its citizens to implement self-distancing and self-regulate,” Ryan said. “In that sense, they have implemented public policy through that partnership with the population.” Swedish people listened to their government and did the right thing by each other. Do you think Irish people would have stayed at home had a softly softly approach been used here?
gozunda wrote: » People also die by drowning and falling off ladders. Very odd you dont seem to be aware of this
gozunda wrote: » And I hate to have to spell it out in simple words to you however - Car accidents are not a highly contagious pathogen disease.
gozunda wrote: » Yeah you've told us many times now you dont believe anything about the Pandemic the experts are telling you..
gozunda wrote: » Do you even read the rubbish you post in this thread?
retro:electro wrote: » I can’t see how the public will cooperate with these measures until August. We have ICU numbers below 100. We have private hospitals lying empty waiting for this surge that never came and will likely never come. We have decreasing cases by the week and decreasing deaths by the day. By the start of August, while the rest of Europe is likely to be thriving and getting on with life; we will only have moved into stage 4 over here. It’s highly likely our new cases could be very little and deaths little if none at all. If this is the case, how are we as a country going to justify 17% unemployment, the country still in mass shutdown and extremely bleak times ahead? It’s good to have a road map and I’m thankful that we do. But come July/August if the rest of Europe has gotten a good handle on this and we’re all still over here on the dole and not allowed to see our families, many people won’t comply with that, especially if the numbers are manageable.
lord quackinton wrote: » The government cmo path would make sense if 1. They believed that Europe will soon have to lockdown again and 2, we stopped all inward travel to this state and that’s From the north too That I could get behind, it has logic, but if the government were so worried about this virus and wanted to “beat” the virus did they not stop all inward and outward travel from day 1 This is a valid question and we have no answer Also the escape to freedom plan, how did they come up with this schedule Would love to see the logic of council building sites open last 2 weeks but private sites not open for another 2 weeks Any lockdowners have any answers or are you going Io little snippets of posts to go all Leo on
storker wrote: » I didn't know they gave Nobel prizes for hyperbole. (Actually his Nobel prize was for chemistry - he's neither a doctor nor a virologist.) .
