NIMAN wrote: » Agree, they had very strict lockdowns. Sure some Spanish were actually confined to their apartments and homes for 7 weeks bar getting food or medicine. Such a tough lockdown yet they are going to be out and about and working long before us at this rate. And Spain hasn't a good health service either. I just think these countries realise that you have to get back to a normal society asap, and that you will have to live with the virus for a while, if not forever . It seems here in Ireland some folk are on a personal crusade to be the best country in terms of icu figures or deaths, and to help what it does to the economy, sure we'll just borrow more money to pay for it. And people are asking why the media aren't questioning our politicians? Say what you want about trump, at least he has the balls to answer questions daily, no matter how rubbish his answers are sometimes.
Blueshoe wrote: » It's two more weeks of people not interacting and spreading the virus. What's another two more weeks. Some but not all are pretending to be concerned about the jobs and mental well-being of others but it's clear to most that those people are only thinking about themselves. It's natural human nature. Dressing it up with fake concern for others isn't though. People should stop that.
Leo won't change his mind. He has found himself in a quasi dictatorship role where he makes the rules and that's that. I see FG are soaring in the polls. People like a leader making their decisions for them. You get what you vote for.
Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: » IN fairness, those countries were hit a bit earlier so will be ahead of Ireland in terms to progress. In some ares they even had much stricter lockdowns.
NIMAN wrote: » It's a little jarring to hear about Italy and Spain, 2 countries absolutely slaughtered by the virus, opening up yet it'll be mid August before we are even anywhere near open. The level of damage that can be done to our nation economically between now and then could be immense.
the kelt wrote: » I admire your optimism with this and your other post. In an ideal world yes it’s possible, the problem we have is for us to even meet the 3 weeks between phases (apparently the HSE wanted 4) we need mr cervical check scandal and his boardroom minions to also meet their targets which I have zero faith in happening. Simply put since March 12th we still haven’t our testing up to where it was meant to be weeks ago, turnaround times for results still not near good enough, contact tracing still not up to speed and we have a mess in nursing homes but he still won’t allow a private nursing home rep sit on the NPHET (perhaps they’re trying to hide something from them?) Plus at this point in time no one knows even what the numbers are meant to be to progress through phases anyway because ye know on the rare occasions they do get tasked with a question about specifics their answer is vague in the extreme (as low as possible an answer to a specific question concerning numbers) So I admire your optimism but don’t share it.
storker wrote: » A bit of education might improve your day even further:https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-False-Authority And no, Einstein wouldn't be any more of an authority on matters medical. You don't seem to realize that there are different areas of expertise within science and medicine and being an expert on one area doesn't automatically imply expertise in others. This is why scientists and doctors specialise. .
easypazz wrote: » It is very sad to see so many people blindly following the Leo plan without have the intuition to even question it. And then they have a meltdown when somebody proposes anything alternative, demanding people leave the thread. So sad.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » The part of "they want to beat the virus" is quite frightening. I am fearful there is a bit of ego involved, Simon Harris looks very competitive to me, could he crash the economy to "win against the virus"? I hope not.
dePeatrick wrote: » Quite easy say this now, not two months ago though.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » This made my day I have a funny feeling if Einstein told us that lockdown is a terrible idea, we would still have you coming here and dismissing him cus he is neither a doctor nor a virologist
retro:electro wrote: » Leo also said another two weeks of these restrictions would “weaken the virus”, and no one seems to have challenged him on that. Does the person who writes his speeches even understand the basics? The virus will still be there in all the same strength and glory on May 18th.
JRant wrote: » Of course we could have implemented it. A few people rocked up to Glendalough and the media lost their minds. Cafe's, restaurants, and other small businesses could have tried outdoor seating where possible. The problem isn't the general population, it's how a small number of people breaking restrictions seems to result in everyone being dealt in the same way. If beauty spots are and issue close them down. If some businesses are flaunting guidelines shut them down. Don't shut the entire country down though. That's a super conservative mindset and IMO a holdover from our recent past.
storker wrote: » I didn't know they gave Nobel prizes for hyperbole. (Actually his Nobel prize was for chemistry - he's neither a doctor nor a virologist.) .
retro:electro wrote: » I can’t see how the public will cooperate with these measures until August. We have ICU numbers below 100. We have private hospitals lying empty waiting for this surge that never came and will likely never come. We have decreasing cases by the week and decreasing deaths by the day. By the start of August, while the rest of Europe is likely to be thriving and getting on with life; we will only have moved into stage 4 over here. It’s highly likely our new cases could be very little and deaths little if none at all. If this is the case, how are we as a country going to justify 17% unemployment, the country still in mass shutdown and extremely bleak times ahead? It’s good to have a road map and I’m thankful that we do. But come July/August if the rest of Europe has gotten a good handle on this and we’re all still over here on the dole and not allowed to see our families, many people won’t comply with that, especially if the numbers are manageable.
lord quackinton wrote: » The government cmo path would make sense if 1. They believed that Europe will soon have to lockdown again and 2, we stopped all inward travel to this state and that’s From the north too That I could get behind, it has logic, but if the government were so worried about this virus and wanted to “beat” the virus did they not stop all inward and outward travel from day 1 This is a valid question and we have no answer Also the escape to freedom plan, how did they come up with this schedule Would love to see the logic of council building sites open last 2 weeks but private sites not open for another 2 weeks Any lockdowners have any answers or are you going Io little snippets of posts to go all Leo on
gozunda wrote: » People also die by drowning and falling off ladders. Very odd you dont seem to be aware of this
gozunda wrote: » And I hate to have to spell it out in simple words to you however - Car accidents are not a highly contagious pathogen disease.
gozunda wrote: » Yeah you've told us many times now you dont believe anything about the Pandemic the experts are telling you..
gozunda wrote: » Do you even read the rubbish you post in this thread?
Keano wrote: » “What it has done differently is it has very much relied on its relationship with its citizenry and the ability and willingness of its citizens to implement self-distancing and self-regulate,” Ryan said. “In that sense, they have implemented public policy through that partnership with the population.” Swedish people listened to their government and did the right thing by each other. Do you think Irish people would have stayed at home had a softly softly approach been used here?
easypazz wrote: » On 23 January director of the HSE's Health Protection Surveillance Centre said the risk of coronavirus cases in Ireland was “quite low”, “If we were to see a case in a European country the risk of a secondary case – a person transmitting to somebody else – is also low”. The above was the position of Irish "experts" in January. These same clueless people are now presiding over possibly the most conservative unwinding plan in Europe or even the world. It is disappointing that so many people continue to blindly follow their doctrine and never question anything.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Today is 4th of May, 7 weeks lockdown here. I appreciate those countries acknowledge the virus isnt gone, but how is Ireland different? Have we not flattened the curve? Have we not reached the peak? I guess the question is very simple, why are barbers scheduled to be out of work in Ireland for 5 months while in countries like Spain, Germany, Denmark, etc 2 months? There is something here that isnt right, you cant dismiss that... ? If you say we are being super protective and cautious I ll understand. PS the consensus of health professionals globally? WHO came out last week and said Sweden's model is the way to go. January to April of this year they were saying Sweden are crazy. Please tell me what credibility do global health professionals have left?
JRant wrote: » My take on the roadmap is that it is super conservative on purpose. When we get out of this quicker than outlined then they can turn around and give themselves a massive pat on the back. People have an extraordinary ability to change in the face of adversity, however if the government won't allow businesses to even try then that's an absolute scandal. Another point that needs to be made is Phase 5 is completely unworkable. We cannot change hundreds of years of building and infrastructure planning over a few short months. Social distancing is not here to stay, it's a stop gap measure. People living in high volume areas cannot and should not be expected to adhere to 2m separation indefinitely. Schools, creches, public transport, office spaces are not designed that way and being honest never will.
JRant wrote: » Looking at the numbers again this morning and it's even more encouraging than I thought. 60,000 tests carried out last week, which is over 33% of all tests carried out to date (160,000). The percentage of positive results was still well below 5% growth rate day on day. This was mainly nursing homes as well where they know they already have clusters. They plan on beginning residential care settings this week. Numbers down to 93 in ICU and continuing to fall. Disappointed to hear they are only now planning on using the private hospitals for non-covid treatments. They really should have been sweating those assets this whole time as we are paying top dollar for using them. All in all, I think we should be out of this long before August. A new government should be formed in a couple of weeks and will be made up of TDs that actually represent constituents rather than the likes of Ross and Zappone. There is absolutely no way we see the types of restrictions outlined in the roadmap until mid August, especially considering it's costing at least 600 million extra a week so far, not including the 6.5 billion package announced on Friday.
easypazz wrote: » Regarding significant risk. 1.35 Million people die in car crashes every year.So far 250000 have died of COVID.If we reduced global speed limits to 50kph and put speed restrictors on cars we would certainly save a lot more than 250000 lives, with minimal effort, every year. It would free up untold ICU beds.Yet no politician wants to go there.COVID 19 has been overhyped beyond comprehension.
shocksy wrote: » Yawn!!!!! Do you never get tired of posting the same sh!t over and over. The road map has been laid out. Deal with it. You wont be having pints anytime soon KID. Now run along to another thread were you will most likely continue more of your repetitive sh!t posting. See ya kid.
