Brock Turnpike wrote: » Wait out for a vaccine? You didn't pay any attention to Leo's announcement the other day where he gave a plan on how we open back up the country? Which didn't include waiting on a vaccine. Or does that not suit your narrative? Seems to me you're here to parrot your anti-vaxx and "anti-constitution" rhetoric. Where you out in the Phoenix Park yesterday? Yeah?
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » I am absolutely amazed that you disregard dancing nurses videos all over social media in empty hospitals. But that is your choice, you chose to see what you want to see.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Anti-vaxxers? Do you even know that you cant sue a vaccine company? You sue the government when things go bad with the vaccine. Do you want to guess why that is?
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » I'd completely disregard vaccine conversation anyways, it needs to be properly tested for many years before being released to the public. Would you inject something into your body when it has been in development for 9 months?
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Economy being second priority? Why do you think life expectancy in Africa is 20 years below your average EU country? Because its HOT there?
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Leo has said this on camera, good few times. I am merely pointing out that this is not feasible and like I've mentioned earlier, Gemma as unlikable as she is - its a good thing someone is challenging these scientifically unproven lockdown measures.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Deadly virus?? I dont mean to undermine covid19 but there are 10 + videos of nurses dancing in empty hospitals on tiktok, youtube and other platforms. It is an outrage that we have empty hospitals and we say "yeah but its good because its better for them to be empty rather than overwhelmed". Something that gives you 99% chance to live, should not be called "deadly". Cancer is DEADLY. Tuberculosis can easily be called DEADLY. I am just speaking facts.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Gemma is challenging lockdown restrictions in court. Lockdown restrictions imposed are to A) slow down the spread of the disease & not to overwhelm 100 ICU beds and wait out for a vaccine. Leo has said this on camera, good few times. I am merely pointing out that this is not feasible and like I've mentioned earlier, Gemma as unlikable as she is - its a good thing someone is challenging these scientifically unproven lockdown measures. Is that not relevant?
Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: » "Bring down the system?" :rolleyes: Regina Doherty, Shane Ross and Katherine Zappone all lost their seats in February but for some reason remain Government Ministers. What system is there to trash but an illegal one?
Brock Turnpike wrote: » Why are you posting about vaccines in this thread? Has nothing to do with the thread.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Theories? You can not sue vaccine manufacturer. Do you know why? I am amazed that people think vaccines are a good thing. or an effective thing. Flu vaccine has been around for many years, yet 60 000 + Americans died off flu in winter 2018. Is this a theory too?
Truthvader wrote: » It just keeps coming. Vaccines now. Any sign of the 5G whacko conspiracy theory?? Hurry hurry hurry last of the chocices now!
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » I am absolutely amazed that you disregard dancing nurses videos all over social media in empty hospitals. But that is your choice, you chose to see what you want to see. Anti-vaxxers? Do you even know that you cant sue a vaccine company? You sue the government when things go bad with the vaccine. Do you want to guess why that is? I'd completely disregard vaccine conversation anyways, it needs to be properly tested for many years before being released to the public. Would you inject something into your body when it has been in development for 9 months? Economy being second priority? Why do you think life expectancy in Africa is 20 years below your average EU country? Because its HOT there?
Infini wrote: » Better empty beds than seeing the dead being left on the street like in Latin America or seeing convoys of Military Vehicles taking the dead to be cremated in Lombardy but sure its the WuFlu it'll be grand! Seriously this virus is worse than the flu because there IS no immune responce to the infection or a vaccine currently available hence it's effects are worse unlike the flu which has been around long enough that people have a natural defence to it. This is the kind of thing that shuts the anti-vaxxers up because this is what happens when you cant immunise, people die in large numbers and expecially in certain groups that have compromised defences. Honestly the Economy is a secondary priority to the lost of life this could inflict if it had been allowed to run rampant, you only get one shot to do thing's right so long as people are alive you can work through these problems but you can't if your dead and if you fail the first time the collateral damage can be immersurable.
Brock Turnpike wrote: » When did boards end up with all these GO'D/JW bots? Had it always been like this?
PTH2009 wrote: » People painting these 2 as Patriots like the lads in the 1916 rising
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Hospitals have empty beds because this disease is not that more severe than flu. There are videos of nurses dancing in empty hospitals on tiktok, youtube and other platforms, making a mockery of people like you, and me who clap for HSE every now and then.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » I am sorry but shutting down country for 5 months is not best practice internationally. But you are spot on, they are listening to medical experts. Medical experts want to save 1 life, they would love to save 100 lives. They do not consider poverty in these decisions or its subsequent effects. This will be evident in months to come, when suicide reports/counts are released. You dont really think that RTE will be announcing any adverse effects of lockdown during lockdown do you, with Leo in charge?
Infini wrote: » Were dealing with a state of emergency caused by the incompetence of China suppressing those who raised the alarm till it was too late in containing a virulent and fatal virus to the elderly and the vunerable. The government is acting in line with the best expert advice by those who are expert in the field as well as on the current best practices internationally right now. This kind of situation in both scale and emergency can only be equaled or exceeded by the likes of a massive natural disaster or a global war the likes of which we haven't seen in our lifetime thank god. I can accept a temporary curtailment of freedoms for the sake of the safety of others as long as the government remains open with the people and they have, look at the daily briefings and the regular updates on the cases they want to reopen and return things to as close to normal as quickly as they can it's in noone's interest to be shut indefinately but it needs to be done RIGHT, otherwise we either have wasted precious time or worse end up going in circles until the stage a vaccine is developed to immunise the worst affected or those most in danger. Remember the last time something of similar scope happened was a century ago and MILLIONS died from it. That's what this is all about, preventing a repeat of that because were now in an age where it's possible for many people to work from home and remotely and save lives. It's a bitch but we have to get this right the first time and have patience, not allow outselves to be dictated by the whining's of the ignorant, stupid and malicious like the Karen who goes giving the Guards abuse for doing their job.
reg114 wrote: » I think you are a tad bit misinformed there Ginge, but I'm delighted to so someone who has never ever posted on boards before take to the platform with such gusto. Indeed Sweden did not lockdown, but let me explain epidemiology in a pandemic to you. Timing of a lockdown is absolutely crucial. If a gov gets the timing wrong it makes mitigation much more difficult but not impossible. Essentially for every week Ireland didnt lock down in March, that is now costing us at least two weeks further down the line. Ireland and sweden are neck and neck as far as overall cases are concerned reflecting our poorly timed lockdown commencement and sadly this is reflected in our deaths too. The argument is not whether we should have had a lockdown, but when the lockdown should have been imposed. What you're doing is manipulating the figures to fit your narrative. Yes depression and suicide are perennially horrendous and neither get the resources they merit, BUT, neither mental health issues nor cancer are contagious. I made the mistake of comparing the Covid19 virus to the traditional flu back in February, I was wrong. Then I read up on the science of this particular strain of the coronavirus and my opinion changed. Indeed the science is changing daily as we learn more and more about the virus. Did you know one symptom in children has been described as Covid Toe ? This presents itself as lesions and pustules on the feet of the otherwise symptomless child? I bet you didnt. Bacterial Pneumonia is a secondary symptom of covid19 that seems to manifest itself in patients after a week to ten days, this then migrates to an inflammatory cascade as the body tries to fight the infection and leads to multi organ failure. Doctors the world over have found instances where patients can be moderately ill one day and on the brink of death the next. To equate covid 19 to the flu quite honestly is an ignorant statement and not one emanating from anyone who has read and studied the science. I believe a lockdown was necessary given the fact we have the lowest number of beds per capita in the oecd, if we had had a real spike in demand in hospitals we would have been in real trouble. As far as your statement regarding medical care not being available for regular patients in hospitals , well that again is misinformed. Hospitals have empty beds because people who should be presenting are not. Please do your research on all of the above.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » I think that as unlikable as Gemma is, there is something extremely wrong living in a democracy where a handful decide the fate of entire population, unchallenged and unquestioned. This is what happens in China and North Korea. In my opinion, having a 5 month lockdown for barbers, pubs, shopping centres is going to prove excessive. Very excessive.
brightspark wrote: » I believe that the legislation is necessary, whether or not it is constitutional or not is a debate that the legal professionals will decide. (How ironic that it will ultimately be decided by a few un-elected wealthy individuals).
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Stops from dying? Ireland has had 260 deaths per 1 million of population, Sweden has had 264, one country has put itself into a recession for the next 5 years, and other didn't. What have my relatives gotta do with the facts of life? What have my relatives got to do with 25% unemployment levels in the country? The real question is, for every 1 person "saved" by us sitting at home, how many have will have been killed through suicide, depression, lack of access to timely healthcare because people are scared to leave their house and go to the hospital for a check up on that pain in their chest?
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » A clear ruling and a democratic one! It would be incredible for a judicial system to allow a handful of people with medicine only background making decisions that affect 5 million of population. In general, since when does adopting an approach practised in China is the way to go? Their constitution is complete opposite to that of Ireland.
maestroamado wrote: » Brightspark?? You seem to have nothing to say so its difficult to comment on nothing. Tell the world what you think. That is what a forum if for...
whippet wrote: » You can’t compare Sweden with Ireland ... reasons are simple: - Swedes naturally social distance and generally don’t mingle with people outside their close circle - Swedes will in the majority do what they are told If the Irish were given the same directions as the swedes - over 70s self isolate and everyone else keep their distance you’d have a free for all. Remember when we were given these directions and pubs were full, beauty spots crammed with people and reports of house party’s in most towns. That is why a Swedish approach wouldn’t have worked here
jackboy wrote: » So three years ok and fine for someone to die. You see where what you were saying falls down. You have literally put a price of someone’s life yourself in what you have said.
brightspark wrote: » The bit I highlighted seems to be the most relevant. That's a great foolish idea hold a referendum to pass a law to ensure people don't spread a deadly virus. Just how would it be done???? Typical sanction would be failing to be re-elected.
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