Bob24 wrote: » Went out for my first walk in weeks besides very short ones to the grocery shop and pretty appalled by what I saw. Looks like to me restriction have in effect been largely relaxed already with many people passing by each other at very close distance and hundreds lying in the park. Pics attached.
giveitholly wrote: » Yeah I actually heard the same on the tonight show about two weeks ago,Some guy(can't remember who) was concerned about the amount of covid amongst the Roma and migrant community in inner city Dublin
iamwhoiam wrote: » No i dont have a link , he was interviewed on RTE either news or on PrimeTime
gmisk wrote: » Do you have a link?
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » So from your logic because money is "very, very cheap" governments should hand it out no questions asked? Construction is a small sector? 140,000 jobs in construction, direct jobs, what about suppliers... what about jobs in deli counters that prepare lunch for these construction workers every day? Huge part of economy. I am not actually even angry at construction sector being underestimated, I am angry at the fact that some of the healthiest people work in construction, strong lads, young lads all been told to stay at home. These guys wont even feel the virus. They dont tend to live with elderly before this funny "yeah but" is thrown at me. They should have been working every day. Just like in Canada. Just like in UK.
iamwhoiam wrote: » An ICU consultant said in an interview last week that the vast majority of the Covid patients in the Mater were Roma and Brazalian . Make of that what you will
JoeA3 wrote: » I and most reasonable people see it differently. Mainly young men, working in isolation, getting on with it, working hard, no danger to anyone. Not sitting on their holes collecting €350 a week.
JoeA3 wrote: » Nonsense? In your opinion. Not naive, just realistic and capable of weighing up relative risks in my own mind. I perceive the risks on an open building site as absolutely minuscule, something thats clearly widely agreed upon, considering they are going to be the first to be allowed back (officially). I'm not willing to hide in my bedroom for another 2 months and I wouldn't dream of snitching on hardworking locals.
kippy wrote: » I didnt say they had no effect on the economy. I said construction was a small part of the economy. But you have a habit of misrepresenting what both yourself and others say so that's understandable. No such thing as free money, just very very cheap money which has also funded a shed of construction here and elsewhere over the past few years
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Thats great stuff but its all comes at the price of an extraordinary increase of national debt. Now your economic understanding is admirable as you did say construction and manufacturing have no effect on the economy, presumably because free money is the only source of economic revival.
Jinglejangle69 wrote: » Yeah because Italian pubs and Irish pubs are exactly the same not too mention the difference in drinking cultures!!
kippy wrote: » You've said that there's been no consideration for the economy in all of this. There has. Any state payment scheme is an economic intervention, as were the six billion of measures mentioned yesterday. As are any of the measures the state has asked the banks to assist with, or insurance companies, or revenue...If you don't know what an economy is or accept that the actions of the government in introducing payment schemes is one part of an economy then you're not going to deviate from your opinion that there's been no consideration for the economy. That doesn't make you right, just not informed.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Considering Italy will open the pub's on June 1st the publicans have every right to feel aggrieved having to wait 2.5 months longer
giveitholly wrote: » If we get fine weather in June I reckon the amount of bbqs and house parties that go on will be massive,there won't be much social distancing at these so I can't see the pub owners being too happy having to stay closed
FintanMcluskey wrote: » My lack of understanding does not prevent you from referencing your argument. What are the schemes implemented for economic revival aside from the Covid payment? Ill leave it when you post what they are?
KrustyUCC wrote: » https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/whos-in-charge-cracks-appearing-as-tensions-mount-over-lockdown-exit-strategy/ar-BB13wvJx?ocid=sf2 Interesting article NPHET wanted 4 weeks in between phases lol Ours is one of the slowest plans in Europe as it is with 3 weeks inbetween phases
DubInMeath wrote: » Actually it's not what you said at all, both your statements regarding work and exercise were factually incorrect.
kippy wrote: » There's no point discussion economics with someone who doesn't understand economics even on a basic level.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » You might want to recheck my argument. They restarted construction and manufacturing over 3 weeks ago. If you worked in those industries you went to work. The rest of your post is correct, I never suggested otherwise
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Im struggling to understand
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Thanks but I asked for the economic schemes implemented to counteract the 1m plus jobs lost here since the restrictions began? You said schemes were introduced that would boost the economy other than the Covid payment, what are they? The Covid payment is only increasing the national debt
kippy wrote: » https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/economics.asp It's a good starting point.
_Whimsical_ wrote: » Has that happened? Has anyone been sneering or unkind to a bereaved person visiting a grave? If so that's terrible. That person needs to be offered support and encouragement to stick with the measures in place. The last thing that person needs is unkindness, but they also don't need illness. If people are lonely we could all volunteer to ring someone up for a talk or we could all start a chat server to allow people desperate for some distraction have a new outlet and make a new friend. I think the reason why one groups difficulties surrounding the isolation is less well received is because only one group proposes an action that may cost lives and perpetuate a lockdown with huge personal,social and economic consequences. Traveling more than the proposed restrictions risks carrying disease to areas not badly affected. It's disinegenuous to compare the needs of both groups though because they are not the same, we cannot accept death because people are lonely etc because there are alternatives for those people, even if it is baring down a few extra weeks on it. Ultimately we share one primary need and it is not to die ourselves or not to be conforted with the grief of losing a loved one in dire circumstances without a hand to hold afterwards in our mourning or a funeral to attend. If you find yourself unfortunate enough to see what that looks like you will know it's a very different vista from being depressed , which is very difficult too. 2 weeks ago someone I know died. There was no funeral, no hugs for the family, no being able to reach out a hand to squeeze in place of the choked words that could never touch the heartbreak felt. There was just standing across a road watching a tearful goodbye to the coffin of a young person. Now there is a quiet house there with no visitors due to the vulnerability of a family member. If this virus spreads that will be the reality for many families, at the sharp end of this there is a tremendous, life long burden for some to carry. If we all act now to contain it , we might avoid it, we might be able to make more exceptions to reach to those most in need. We are not just preventing death, it is preventing depression and mental illness too by not traumatising people for life by losing loved ones in an awful way or traumatising medical staff who are risking themselves to treat the illness.
Thelonious Monk wrote: » My folks in Spain got outside for the first time in 7 weeks yesterday. Before that only one at at time could go to supermarket or pharmacy. It was all areas not just urban.
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