lawrencesummers wrote: » New Zealand has done an excellent job on it, i would go as far as to say they have beaten the virus, if this turn out to just be the opening round of three I have a lot of confidence they will be able to do the same. Same with South Korea. Comparisons with 1918 are a pointless. We didn’t have anything like todays medicine back then, the world was still 20 years away from penicillin, Scarlet fever, TB and measles were rampant. Childbirth had staggering mortality rates. There were no GP’s no pharmacies, underlying conditions were all undiagnosed, Clean water was non existent, people lived in far more cramped and unhygienic conditions. Over 100’years later The world is a far far far different place medically and socially.
DebDynamite wrote: » No, you’re not allowed to travel further than 20km until 20th July (Phase 4)
snowcat wrote: » This lockdown is a bit of a joke really. I see people flouting the restrictions everyday and the Gardai dont seem to have no interest in enforcing it. You can do basically whatever you want as long as you have the right answer in case you meet a checkpoint.
Galwayguy35 wrote: » Dan O Brien said over a month ago if the economy isn't kickstarted by summer then we are in a whole heap of trouble, I'd be more inclined to take his word on it rather than your guarantee.
Discodog wrote: » So the only people to question the government are Shinnerbots ? That must include most of the Cabinet who asked for more restrictions to be lifted. The rubbish is being posted by people with the extreme view that there can only be one opinion.
But yes the shinner bot comment was in reference to your comment "Just as many are, rightly, asking here". The number of posts in that vein are truely eye opening. Certainly not all but there are plenty..
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » No one can "beat" the virus - unless they want to be a hermit kingdom that does business with no one and allows no one in or out. You need a vaccine. The sad thing about your post is you are about to learn the hard way (like others on this thread) how much things have not changed between 1918 and today!
gozunda wrote: » Truth be told the disease is out of control there
gozunda wrote: » and it looks like their economy is in tatters.
gozunda wrote: » With rights come responsibilities.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Waves are the typical evolution. The Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy in the US has the 3 scenarios outlined Even JP Morgan has the scenario outline for it's clients The outlook this year is not good and those who reopen too soon will have the more difficult time reimposing the measures to re-contain it. We don't want to be in that nightmare. But sure keep the fingers in your ears, lalalalala, you have your belief and not science.
snotboogie wrote: » Pubs who can't control social distancing won't be allowed to open. Look at the document, there are zero plans to lift social distancing
lord quackinton wrote: » i am confused by the 5km radius thingy. the 5km radius circle has a circumference of 2*pie*5 = 31km??? this means you go 31km from your home in a straight line from tuesday as long as you go back the same way??? and where does radii and the diameter factor in?? and how many circles are there?? please help, i think i might go outside the safe zone and end up in mountjoy and i am way too good looking for that. but let me very clear, everybody must follow the strict government lockdown policies and anyone who breaks them needs to be dealt with harshly by the law. i am talking trial by social media, lose their job, criminal record, children taken into care, and lastly public flogging. its time to get tough on yahoos who are destroying this lovely holiday we are all having.
lord quackinton wrote: » but let me very clear, everybody must follow the strict government lockdown policies and anyone who breaks them needs to be dealt with harshly by the law. i am talking trial by social media, lose their job, criminal record, children taken into care, and lastly public flogging. its time to get tough on yahoos who are destroying this lovely holiday we are all having.
Jim Gazebo wrote: » Neighbours have the whole lot over today. Grandkids, and children. Unreal. Can't believe that.
lawrencesummers wrote: » Maybe a second wave does come, and infection numbers in some countries will undoubtedly increase after an initial peak and decrease, but you have no grasp on history if you think 1918 and today are anyway comparable from a public health and medical l owledge point of view.
drunkmonkey wrote: » 78 more days, tbh there's going to be immense pressure to lift that rule. No way is the entire country going to be paralyzed until then. Maybe stay within your own province until then would be a better plan.
horse7 wrote: » Does anyone else think that we have become a nanny state. We all know that we should wash our hand's ,limit our contact and wear face coverings especially in shopping areas,buses etc. Our hospitals are half empty for capacity to deal with the virus. We are being treated like children and told to stay in. There is no point in a driving limit. It's when you get out of the car you need to look after yourself. A lot of the older people are afraid to leave the house. Most people have the sense to allow more personal space if possible. With the present lockdown there will be a high price to pay, apart from job losses there will be all that goes with that, health issues, physical and mental and suicides. We need more testing and a CEO in the HSE with a medical background. We need a government that is not hiding behind the medical advisors. There are more issues at stake and any GP is going to err on the side of caution. Life in Seoul is carrying on as near normal, the trains are full, the kids are at school, you can eat in a restaurant. Everyone wears face coverings, young to old. Testing is still a priority also. We don't even have hardware stores or garden centres open, which was another mistake by the government. They move the goalpost as it suits, we've seen the R factor, the new cases, the daily death rate, it's become a nanny state. Opinions please.
Deleted User wrote: » For a lot of people, the governments plan mean they can’t see family until 20th July. And even then, they keep pushing things back so it could be longer. Could be almost a half a year without seeing family. Most just won’t obey that.
rob316 wrote: » It will be accelerated and that's not out of optimism its realism. We can not shut down the country for 5 months. As the numbers continue to fall and other EU countries have lesser restrictions the pressure will mount on NPHET. Tony Holohan can't be the loudest voice and zero consideration given to anything else but the public health.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Its only immediate public health considerations, it will have to be accelerated. My only concern is that they wont come under pressure without a government.
what the hell! wrote: » Safe enough to start booking hotels in Ireland for a few nights in the month of August I assume?
