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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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splashuum

I have looked at the roadmap and think I’ve gathered a few things from it. They’re trusting to keep workers working from home where possible, although it seems large scale offices may go back in phase 4/5. (phase 4 July 20/ phase 5 August 10th)
Does that seem correct?

splashuum

amadangomor

Lots of moaning in these posts, no realisation of reality.

We have created a generation of spoiled brats who are so weak minded they can't chill out for a year or so.

If they lived in the realities that most humans throughout history have had to endure they would have melted.

Stay at home and chill to fk out, it really is not that hard.

Diarmuid

amadangomor wrote: »

We have created a generation of spoiled brats who are so weak minded they can't chill out for a year or so.

You do realise that most people have to work to put food on the table?

SusieBlue

amadangomor wrote: »

Lots of moaning in these posts, no realisation of reality.

We have created a generation of spoiled brats who are so weak minded they can't chill out for a year or so.

If they lived in the realities that most humans throughout history have had to endure they would have melted.

Stay at home and chill to fk out, it really is not that hard.

Genuinely posts like this are as tone deaf and insensitive as telling someone with depression to just be happy or someone suffering with anxiety just not to worry.

You are oversimplifying to the extreme from up there on your high horse.

SNNUS

amadangomor wrote: »

Lots of moaning in these posts, no realisation of reality.

We have created a generation of spoiled brats who are so weak minded they can't chill out for a year or so.

If they lived in the realities that most humans throughout history have had to endure they would have melted.

Stay at home and chill to fk out, it really is not that hard.

I think the brats are those who think they can Netflix and chill for a year and return to work and life as nothing happened. The Govt payments will be scaled back soon , no economy = no livelihoods.. But yeah sit back and chill for a year dude ✌

stephenjmcd

amadangomor wrote: »

Lots of moaning in these posts, no realisation of reality.

We have created a generation of spoiled brats who are so weak minded they can't chill out for a year or so.

If they lived in the realities that most humans throughout history have had to endure they would have melted.

Stay at home and chill to fk out, it really is not that hard.

You really dont get it do you ?? Seen you come out with this sort of stuff the last few days.

Tell me how is someone who has lost a job, has a family and a mortgage supposed to chill to fk out ?? €350 a week and mortgage breaks wont last forever

amadangomor

Diarmuid wrote: »

You do realise that most people have to work to put food on the table?

I'm working also but I chill out by socially distancing at work, when I go to the shop, don't go beyond 2km at weekends etc.

I don't moan about what is necessary to stop a highly contagious disease and look to blame some other people for the realities of the situation.

amadangomor

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You really dont get it do you ?? Seen you come out with this sort of stuff the last few days.

Tell me how is someone who has lost a job, has a family and a mortgage supposed to chill to fk out ?? €350 a week and mortgage breaks wont last forever

Very few people moaning about that, most are moaning because apparently their freedom is being curtailed because they can't walk further than 2km from their house.

In the whole history of human suffering it isnt that fkn bad. Reality check ffs.

SusieBlue

amadangomor wrote: »

I'm working also but I chill out by socially distancing at work, when I go to the shop, don't go beyond 2km at weekends etc.

I don't moan about what is necessary to stop a highly contagious disease and look to blame some other people for the realities of the situation.

Good for you, many would love to be in your position. Current estimations predict circa half a million Irish people have lost their jobs and are now unsure of their futures, and this is only the beginning of it. More job losses are sure to come.
Perhaps keep that in mind next time before you start pontificating about how we all just need to chill and relax with some Netflix.

amadangomor

SNNUS wrote: »

I think the brats are those who think they can Netflix and chill for a year and return to work and life as nothing happened. The Govt payments will be scaled back soon , no economy = no livelihoods.. But yeah sit back and chill for a year dude ✌

I meant chill about the situation, not chill and sit on your arse. If you can work then work.

Chill dude, relax

timmy_mallet

SNNUS wrote: »

Death has not gone away, people die everyday. Living in a bubble is not going to protect you. It has been mocked but herd immunity is being discussed as a better alternative with roughly the same deaths.

It's going to be an unmitigated disaster when kids go back to school in September... They are one of our best ways to achieve herd immunity, as the only suffer extremely mild symptoms. We should be encouraging them to get covid19 before the end of the summer to become immune and protect the rest of the children and staff in the schools.

[Deleted User]

amadangomor wrote: »

We have created a generation of spoiled brats who are so weak minded they can't chill out for a year or so.

Well... this is my problem with these threads. The embracing of extreme views.

There's not going to be any kind of lockdown for a year. The economy needs to run, and people need to earn money to pay their living costs. So, we're really looking at a month or two more at most, because it's not feasible for people to be without salaries for longer... and the government doesn't have a line of debt to cover the whole country either (even with EU help). [and there's plenty of people who won't get help from the government for one reason or another.]

At the same time, there's the belief that the government roadmap is set in stone. It's not. It's dependent on what happens, and they're taking the negative angle in planning for what happens. Should infections fail to rise after restrictions are relaxed, then further relaxations will occur. I've never known an Irish political party or government to have the backbone to deny the general population, and I have no expectation to see it happening now.

The restrictions will be lifted gradually as long as the infections remain "reasonably" low, and healthcare is not over stressed in responding to cases. If the infections rise dramatically, then we'll likely see more draconian measures like those of Spain, but they'll be short lived (probably a month again), simply because Ireland can't afford to stay closed up.

Ultimately, it's likely the general population will be encouraged to return to work while engaging in sensible precautions, while those vulnerable will be encouraged to stay cocooned. That's the generally accepted idea of what's going to happen long term. Roll the dice. However, for now, we have the distancing and such, reducing the spread, so that scientists can analyse the virus, and medical services can adapt to the crisis.

amadangomor

SusieBlue wrote: »

Good for you, many would love to be in your position. Current estimations predict circa half a million Irish people have lost their jobs and are now unsure of their futures, and this is only the beginning of it. More job losses are sure to come.
Perhaps keep that in mind next time before you start pontificating about how we all just need to chill and relax with some Netflix.

I have asthma I never had before as a result of suspected Covid infection and happy to be able to work again.

I haven't moaned or blamed. I just got to a stage where I can get back to work and will get on with it.

We are where we are and the government are doing their best to guide us all through it. They are most definitely not trying to cripple the economy deliberately.

That's why I'm saying to people, whatever your circumstances to chill out. It really isn't that bad.

[Deleted User]

timmy_mallet wrote: »

It's going to be an unmitigated disaster when kids go back to school in September... They are one of our best ways to achieve herd immunity, as the only suffer extremely mild symptoms. We should be encouraging them to get covid19 before the end of the summer to become immune and protect the rest of the children and staff in the schools.

Where has herd immunity been achieved? Or even where has immunity from covid been proved without reservation? Not a theory. Proven scientifically.

road_high

SNNUS wrote: »

I think the brats are those who think they can Netflix and chill for a year and return to work and life as nothing happened. The Govt payments will be scaled back soon , no economy = no livelihoods.. But yeah sit back and chill for a year dude ✌

That's when the fun starts...posters like this are in still la la land with the delusion we can all sit at home watching Netflix "chillin" and the world will continue on. Seems to be still over 50% of the Irish population stuck here unfortunately for them.

timmy_mallet

Deleted User wrote: »

Where has herd immunity been achieved? Or even where has immunity from covid been proved without reservation? Not a theory. Proven scientifically.

I love these. If you understood basics of what you were saying, the fundamentals, and I dont know how many times I have to say this, there is no proof of anything. It's all theory and evidence. There is evidence of immunity because not a single person on Earth has been reinfected.

Jinglejangle69

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Where has herd immunity been achieved? Or even where has immunity from covid been proved without reservation? Not a theory. Proven scientifically.

More medical experts on boards.

Did you not get the memo?

[Deleted User]

amadangomor wrote: »

That's why I'm saying to people, whatever your circumstances to chill out. It really isn't that bad.

I work/live abroad, and as such, I'm not eligible for the covid payments. I'm also not eligible for welfare payments in Ireland. I've been here since mid-January but can't really fly out. I have a mortgage that I'm paying in Ireland, but no actual income.. I've been spending out of my savings since the start of February. Lucky to be living in my parents home, but paying all other expenses (my parents are living elsewhere due to cocooning), and I'm still paying my mortgage payments.

So... you sure you want to spout that BS? It really isn't that bad? It is for some.

amadangomor

Deleted User wrote: »

Well... this is my problem with these threads. The embracing of extreme views.

I don't have extreme views, the opposite in fact.

I realise that it is an impossible situation and we are in it for a while and that's why moaning is not helpful.

The people moaning and being overly negative about the situation are making it worse and I'm calling them out.

Kermit.de.frog

Meanwhile

Fearful Britons remain strongly opposed to lifting lockdown

Just one in five want schools, pubs and restaurants to be reopened, according to new poll by Opinium

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/02/fearful-britons-oppose-lifting-lockdown-schools-pubs-restaurants-opinium-poll

Gael23

Someone just pointed out elsewhere what when pubs close at 12:30 that leads to hundreds of people congregating in a fairly small space waiting for taxis or whatever. Is now the time to scrap the 12;30 close time?

Stark

amadangomor wrote: »

I don't have extreme views, the opposite in fact.

Thinking the entire population can "Netflix and chill" for an entire year without dire consequences for the economy and society is an extreme view.

amadangomor

Deleted User wrote: »

I work/live abroad, and as such, I'm not eligible for the covid payments. I'm also not eligible for welfare payments in Ireland. I've been here since mid-January but can't really fly out. I have a mortgage that I'm paying in Ireland, but no actual income.. I've been spending out of my savings since the start of February. Lucky to be living in my parents home, but paying all other expenses (my parents are living elsewhere due to cocooning), and I'm still paying my mortgage payments.

So... you sure you want to spout that BS? It really isn't that bad? It is for some.

It's not great but in terms of generations that unfortunately had to live through famines and wars you will be ok.

Talk to your bank and get your mortgage put on hold.

amadangomor

Stark wrote: »

Thinking the entire population can "Netflix and chill" for an entire year without dire consequences for the economy and society is an extreme view.

Read my posts

Gael23

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It's a living document, open to change, various things moving into different phases all depending on the level of infection etc.

Your right social distancing wont be possible on public transport when offices fully reopen in August,.maybe some might keep working from home but it wont be possible on luas, dart etc.

Pubs will operate with it for a good while I would think but give it 2 months before people are comfortable and back in what would have been the "old" routine in pubs. That's what I think anyway. Plus we'll also see how other countries have managed when the time comes which will be a benefit too.

Its 100 days until August 10th, alot could and will happen during that time.

Very much agreed. Nobody putting money behind the bar will be turned away ultimately

Kermit.de.frog

Stark wrote: »

Thinking the entire population can "Netflix and chill" for an entire year without dire consequences for the economy and society is an extreme view.

The world changed in November.

Society will not operate properly with COVID-19 out of control in the population.

It's as simple as that.

All we can do is contain as much as possible for as long as possible.

There are painful times ahead and we just have to adapt until there is a vaccine that can be distributed.

The economic damage happens anyway. It's not an either/or situation.

[Deleted User]

timmy_mallet wrote: »

I love these. If you understood basics of what you were saying, the fundamentals, and I dont know how many times I have to say this, there is no proof of anything. It's all theory and evidence.

Well... I have a reasonably solid understanding of what I've been reading for the last month about the virus, and I'm guessing you're at a similar level.

And yes.. there is no proof of anything.. Which is why lauding and promoting Herd Immunity is misleading.

They are one of our best ways to achieve herd immunity, - Your words. A suggestion of Herd immunity existing as something that can be achieved. Which it hasn't been. Otherwise, you would have provided evidence of it.

There is evidence of immunity because not a single person on Earth has been reinfected.

Any evidence to support that theory? Oh, of course not, you don't need evidence to prove immunity. How naive I must be... :rolleyes:

robbiezero

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Meanwhile

Fearful Britons remain strongly opposed to lifting lockdown

Just one in five want schools, pubs and restaurants to be reopened, according to new poll by Opinium

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/02/fearful-britons-oppose-lifting-lockdown-schools-pubs-restaurants-opinium-poll

That must have surprised you. Looks like most people are not hankering for restrictions to be lifted so they can go for a pint.

[Deleted User]

amadangomor wrote: »

It's not great but in terms of generations that unfortunately had to live through famines and wars you will be ok.

Talk to your bank and get your mortgage put on hold.

You can't be this... blind.

Never mind, I'm done trying to explain adult stresses to you.