The golf isn’t the biggest problem there necessarily. You drive 240km and you need to stop for fuel. That’s an unnecessary stop. You drive 240km that takes maybe 3 hours, play golf for 4/5 hours and you have an 8/9 hour day so you need food as well. That’s an unnecessary stop. You put more cars on the road you risk more accidents. That’s unnecessary. You can look at anything in isolation and make a case for it, but you need to look at the bigger picture.
lawrencesummers wrote: » The golf isn’t the biggest problem there necessarily. You drive 240km and you need to stop for fuel. That’s an unnecessary stop. You drive 240km that takes maybe 3 hours, play golf for 4/5 hours and you have an 8/9 hour day so you need food as well. That’s an unnecessary stop. You put more cars on the road you risk more accidents. That’s unnecessary. You can look at anything in isolation and make a case for it, but you need to look at the bigger picture.
bloodless_coup wrote: » Need to get petrol at some stage even if you are driving with your 5km area. Bring food in a cooler / lunch box.
lawrencesummers wrote: » What this thread has descended into is essentially this. I’m going to ignore / bend the rules because, I’m sick of the rules, I know better, I’ve adapted my own precautions, they experts don’t have a clue, the restrictions are unnecessary. Justify your breaking of necessary restrictions all you want to yourself but this disease is invisible for large periods of time that it’s spreading. You may not be vulnerable because you don’t have underlying conditions but many many people do, your going to spread it and more people will die. Maybe you don’t have grandparents, or give a **** about anyone else’s, maybe your don’t Know anyone with poor immune systems But they do exist. So go about your business, and spit on the most vulnerable that exist.
lawrencesummers wrote: » It appears the department of health have stated golf falls within the 5km limit. That will stop a large percentage of golfers returning on the 18 may. Very few dubliners live within 5km of their golf course. The golf isn’t the biggest problem there necessarily. You drive 240km and you need to stop for fuel. That’s an unnecessary stop. You drive 240km that takes maybe 3 hours, play golf for 4/5 hours and you have an 8/9 hour day so you need food as well. That’s an unnecessary stop. You put more cars on the road you risk more accidents. That’s unnecessary. You can look at anything in isolation and make a case for it, but you need to look at the bigger picture.
bettyoleary wrote: » I don't know why any one would be against having the app. That would stop this. It is obviously what will hold are easing down back and put people at risk if they are vulnerable. The app is one of the biggest reasons South Korea was able to avoid a lock down on a scale like we have and they are on the road to recovery.
Dickie10 wrote: » im looking forward to having a big steak and a chips and a few pints at a restauruant from june 29th. im glad say i was kind of right saying we would be out having a few pints and food from end of june. i think we are doing very well and new cases should be low by end of june. i presume with hotels opening on july 20th , these will be as good as pubs to some people for going for a drink. by the sounds of leo last night there seems to be a high degree of confidence that the virus will be well under control by mid july. he also said if things get on better they might be brought forward a few weeks. have to say its great to be able to have a date inn your mind when you can look forward to this. like june 29th is basically the end of next month.
bloodless_coup wrote: » I see the same workers in the supermarkets now as before this thing. You'd think that seeing supermarkets are the only place people can go, they'd be hotbeds for infection. Yet none of the staff are getting it. So if physical distancing is this effective in places like supermarkets, why the need for the any other restrictions?
drunkmonkey wrote: » There not going to tell you, it's hush hush, business as normal.
gormdubhgorm wrote: » Good series on netflix about the covid19. Only watched the first one. But they did mention that viruses that are asymptomatic and are not as vicious as the likes of the Spanish flu 1918 - spread more. Because - 1) People do not realise they have it 2) It is not bad enough to make the person stay at home 3) The person thinks they just have a cold. It was interesting that they mentioned the St Louis v Philadelphia differing attitudes to the Spanish Flu 1918.https://www.businessinsider.com/history-of-how-st-louis-vs-philadelphia-treated-1918-flu-pandemic-2020-4?r=US&IR=T St Louis went into lockdown flattened the curve. But St Louis lifted it's social distancing measures too soon and they had a second spike. Had to lockdown a second time.
SweetCaliber wrote: » I honestly thought I would see loads of colleagues out when this started, but amazed we haven't had a single sickness since this began.
Simon Harrison wrote: » This is borderline impossible, nobody will be forced to download an app.
SweetCaliber wrote: » I work in a rather large Tesco store, none of my colleagues have had it, neither have I (touch wood), have the same regular customers in twice a week or so also since this began so don't see much of us being asymptomatic. What we don't do is: * Wear Gloves (They just give a false sense of security and actually spread more bacteria) * Wear Masks (although they are available if we want them) What we do, do is: * Wash our hands every half hour/hour and when necessary. * Cover our mouths when we sneeze/cough/yawn. * Try our best to social distance (impossible in the aisles). I honestly thought I would see loads of colleagues out when this started, but amazed we haven't had a single sickness since this began.
brookers wrote: » Are you a youngish person. Im not over 70 but would have very little confidence going into a pub or restaurant end of june. I honestly cant see them opening then. How are chefs and waiters and all the people associated with restuarants and pubs be able social distance. Leo is letting people believe all of this to give them some kind of hope, but everything will be pushed back, kids wont be going back in september, my kids school is so small and bursting at the seams, will be october november before they are all able to sit down together id say and even then who knows.....
drunkmonkey wrote: » The app is no use, it might help a bit. It's not any kind of a solution. The most vunlerable don't have smartphones, half the people with them don't even know how to download an app. The app will be lost on those who need it most. HSE should be reporting cases by area not this there's 500 cases in louth crap, give us the details, where in louth etc.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » We can either face this or dismantle society and become reclusive. Kids should be in school as of Tuesday, thus is of no harm to them
drunkmonkey wrote: » Had my guys up a mountain at 9 this morning, way better for them than being stuck in a school box waiting to catch something we have no idea of the long term health conditions that might arise from getting it. The got to see some tadpoles, showed them different flowers, chasing butterflies and hung around in a castle for a bit. I've no intention of letting them back until I'm sure it's 100% safe.
riclad wrote: » I think we will see some American states Open up and then go back into lock down as the no Of infections rise again Hair salons and tattoo parlors are opening up Which makes no sense too me You can't have social distance when you Are getting a haircut I think at least 5 per cent of Americans might have covid 19 Its dangerous as you can have it and have Not know it so a barber or a shop worker can spend it to customers or family members If a business opens up in America its employees will have to go back to work Eg they won't Get welfare payments if they choose to Stay at home because they are afraid Of getting the virus
bettyoleary wrote: » I agree fully but what happens as we start easing restrictions and more of this happens. You are prob right not all people have or can use smart phones but it could work if someone downloaded the app and showed them. I don't think there is anyone now at this stage cant afford a phone. If does work as I said it did in South Korea
normanoffside wrote: » Better just stay in bed and not eat until there is a vaccine. Every time you eat you have to buy the food- that's unnecessary. Someone has to produce the food in a factory- that's unnecessary They have to drive to the factory and that causes them to stop and fill up with petrol- that's unnecessary They might have to stop at a shop to buy lunch- that's unnecessary After production the food has to be brought to a warehouse- That's unnecessary. The person bringing it to the warehouse has to stop to fill up petrol- that's unnecessary It goes on and on.... We can't live in a cocoon forever. Life is one big risk.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » You luckily live within 2km of a mountain. Lots of kids are stuck in urban housing estates.
drunkmonkey wrote: » There is a large amount of people who are afraid of technology even though they have it in their hand, there's also the other 15% that don't give a feck about anything, the handle spitters. I'm not probably right I'm 100% sure I am, auld ones love doros with big buttons and will cry if you try and force them into anything else. They don't want smartphones.
bettyoleary wrote: » I would have believed you 10 yrs ago. My mum was 75 at the time and thought computers were another species. But a couple of yrs after my dad died she got herself a lap top from Aldi and managed to navigate Plenty of Fish chat away and take herself off on dates!!! You would be very surprised what people can do when they have to believe me!!!!
drunkmonkey wrote: » They don't need the app, it's not dependible unless it's north of 90% uptake, a lot I meet don't even know how to put it on silent, tried to convince someone to hold onto a new smartphone the other day, they were so frustrated with it, demanded a button phone. It'd be great if it works but it won't not enough to protect everyone. If I see the ma on POF, she's getting a doro, no more iPhone for her.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Social distance will prevent any of the waffle here coming to pass
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