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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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NegativeCreep

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1256632639429251076?s=09

Good daily updates here especially as they come to the end of lockdown

And yet there was a poster, possibly on the other thread, trying to make out that the spike in deaths today in Italy was due to relaxing restrictions.

Discodog

Benimar wrote: »

I wonder how Quack and the boys will feel if the behaviour of their fellow ‘legends’ result in a spike in numbers and a delay in moving between phases?

I’m sure it will be the Government/CMO to blame:rolleyes:

Good because you will be right. A spike & delay will only be caused by the HSE messing up the testing & not tracing fast enough to close premises - like the meat plant.

bloodless_coup

Any word on how much checkpoints the Stasi have going this weekend?

Ninthlife

Discodog wrote: »

Really ? There have been no reports of any supermarket staff getting infected to date & you say 15 in one store ? That would be a huge cluster & all over the media.

Its what Ive been told and its not overly surprising that a supermarket has a large amount.

The person who told me Id believe but ive also had others say it.

Chinese whispers as ever is possible but like I said the virus hasnt gone away

ZX7R

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I live/work in China. As for when? No idea. Don't feel comfortable leaving my parents here until I know what the situation is.

Tough situation alright, it would be hard to travel to there now either ways at the moment.
My family and I have to move to Poland in June family reasons.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Rest assured I am anything but hysterical . I am getting on with life just fine. I am adhering to social distancing and hand washing but having spent the last 7 weeks at home alone ( not 4 weeks...... I had to self isolate initially while waiting for a test, which I never got).
I have decided this weekend enough is enough. So I am very happy, getting on with things in my own socially conscious way.

The hysteria is coming from people who are shaming anyone who steps outside their 2km or 5km. There is a huge fear in some people. We need to learn to live with Covid in our midst and do our best get on with life knowing about the dangers and the precautions which have been drummed in to us since early March.

Which is all fair enough... although I think the shaming is being directed at people who refuse to see the risks involved, and are intent on returning to their normal lives asap. There's been plenty of posts with that kind of mindset on this thread... We do need to learn to live with covid being part of our lives, but that includes adjusting our lives to reduce the spread. As you have been doing.

Gucci flip flops

Anyone know if you do a test do they send you a text if your positive and if your negative do they also send you a text

ZX7R

Ninthlife wrote: »

Had to attend local GP during the week. The lady who works there said there were a dozen out with it.

Hear say hear it in every Town

SusieBlue

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Which is all fair enough... although I think the shaming is being directed at people who refuse to see the risks involved, and are intent on returning to their normal lives asap. There's been plenty of posts with that kind of mindset on this thread... We do need to learn to live with covid being part of our lives, but that includes adjusting our lives to reduce the spread. As you have been doing.

I genuinely haven’t seen any posts here, or anyone in real life for that matter, who wanted or expected to go back to complete normality on Tuesday.

A free for all obviously isn’t in our best interests but neither is house arrest. Easing a few restrictions to allow a few industries a chance to implement social distancing policies in order to open their businesses is what most people wanted.
But they aren’t even being given the chance. I know of a few business owners who have been working on ideas on how they could operate since mid March and most have plans ready to go, to at least TRY, and see how they get on.
They’ve now been told they’ll have to wait till August and that’s soul destroying for them. Many won’t reopen because of this.

drunkmonkey

Discodog wrote: »

Really ? There have been no reports of any supermarket staff getting infected to date & you say 15 in one store ? That would be a huge cluster & all over the media.

There's no reports on anything, the media is being manipulated as to not cause panic. I also know of a supermarket gone down, the owner wanted to close after 3 staff got it, but the company he had a few franchise with wouldn't let him, so all staff including the new ones and himself got it.
How long did it take them to break the meat factory story.
HSE need to pinpoint clusters asap. Journalists need to grow a pair.

Ninthlife

ZX7R wrote: »

Hear say hear it in every Town

Not arguing that and not saying its gospel but be it 15 or 5 my point was people today seemed to be out as if there was no virus

[Deleted User]

Poorside wrote: »

Thanks for letting us know how selfish you are, do you,your sister or your contractor know any elderly people?

Booooo!!!

Benimar

Discodog wrote: »

Good because you will be right. A spike & delay will only be caused by the HSE messing up the testing & not tracing fast enough to close premises - like the meat plant.

So, let me get this right. The Government have restrictions in place, certain people deliberately breach those restrictions, but it’s the HSEs fault if there is a spike in numbers and a delay in moving between phases?

So, no personal responsibility whatsoever then?

lawrencesummers

What this thread has descended into is essentially this.

I’m going to ignore / bend the rules because, I’m sick of the rules, I know better, I’ve adapted my own precautions, they experts don’t have a clue, the restrictions are unnecessary.

Justify your breaking of necessary restrictions all you want to yourself but this disease is invisible for large periods of time that it’s spreading.

You may not be vulnerable because you don’t have underlying conditions but many many people do, your going to spread it and more people will die.

Maybe you don’t have grandparents, or give a **** about anyone else’s, maybe your don’t Know anyone with poor immune systems But they do exist.

So go about your business, and spit on the most vulnerable that exist.

FintanMcluskey

lawrencesummers wrote: »

What this thread has descended into is essentially this.

I’m going to ignore / bend the rules because, I’m sick of the rules, I know better, I’ve adapted my own precautions, they experts don’t have a clue, the restrictions are unnecessary.

Justify your breaking of necessary restrictions all you want to yourself but this disease is invisible for large periods of time that it’s spreading.

You may not be vulnerable because you don’t have underlying conditions but many many people do, your going to spread it and more people will die.

Maybe you don’t have grandparents, or give a **** about anyone else’s, maybe your don’t Know anyone with poor immune systems But they do exist.

So go about your business, and spit on the most vulnerable that exist.

Social distance will prevent any of the waffle here coming to pass

BrianD3

SusieBlue wrote: »

This thread seems have a lot of posters with massive amounts of empathy, support and compassion for those who have contracted covid-19. They seem like real stand up caring citizens, pillar of the community types.
Which is great, obviously.

So why do their sympathetic tendencies & concern seem to completely evaporate when say, for example, a bereaved person living alone says they are going to break the 2km to go for a walk in a forest, or someone else says they are breaking it to visit their mothers grave?
Or someone says they have depression and are struggling being at home alone with a small child?

The empathy & support seems to convert into a sneering, self righteous, belittling lecture about what a terrible person they are and how dare they complain when ‘people are dying’ and to get over it.
Not a caring or kind word in sight for these unfortunate posters who are honest enough to admit they are finding this hard.
They are just mocked and called names.
I have seen this many examples of over the last few weeks and it’s despicable.

Why is there sympathy for some people but not others?

Why are one group more important than another, and why is their suffering more relevant or worthy of concern?
Surely, if we’re all interested in ‘saving lives’, no life is more important than the next?
And surely the lives of the people whose futures will be taken away by the economy crashing, are just as important and worthy?

The principle of attack the OP explains much of it....no matter how deserving of empathy/sympathy someone is, once they post about their situation on a forum they'll get criticised and attacked. They are "here" to be criticised, third parties aren't here and get an easier time.

OTOH if a Covid-19 patient posted here, it's likely that there would be a lack of empathy for them also, they'd probably be blamed for not washing their hands or something.

SusieBlue

lawrencesummers wrote: »

What this thread has descended into is essentially this.

I’m going to ignore / bend the rules because, I’m sick of the rules, I know better, I’ve adapted my own precautions, they experts don’t have a clue, the restrictions are unnecessary.

Justify your breaking of necessary restrictions all you want to yourself but this disease is invisible for large periods of time that it’s spreading.

You may not be vulnerable because you don’t have underlying conditions but many many people do, your going to spread it and more people will die.

Maybe you don’t have grandparents, or give a **** about anyone else’s, maybe your don’t Know anyone with poor immune systems But they do exist.

So go about your business, and spit on the most vulnerable that exist.

Yeah we don’t care about our grandparents, we don’t give a fcuk about anyone else, we really want to spread this around and we definitely spit on the most vulnerable in society.

That’s it. Those are obviously the only reasons on earth that someone might feel the need to bend the rules.

Are there any other nasty generalised insults you’d like to throw in?

easypazz

lawrencesummers wrote: »

What this thread has descended into is essentially this.

I’m going to ignore / bend the rules because, I’m sick of the rules, I know better, I’ve adapted my own precautions, they experts don’t have a clue, the restrictions are unnecessary.

Justify your breaking of necessary restrictions all you want to yourself but this disease is invisible for large periods of time that it’s spreading.

You may not be vulnerable because you don’t have underlying conditions but many many people do, your going to spread it and more people will die.

Maybe you don’t have grandparents, or give a **** about anyone else’s, maybe your don’t Know anyone with poor immune systems But they do exist.

So go about your business, and spit on the most vulnerable that exist.

Rubbish.

In simple english we need to get from A to B.

There are numerous route options.

The bellend that is Leo refuses to consider any alternative route.

lawrencesummers

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Social distance will prevent any of the waffle here coming to pass

No it wont. It will help but it’s not the only thing required. You know this as well but it doesn’t suit the narrative your pushing to justify whatever rules your going to be breaking.

Next time you see an elderly person waiting to cross the road just spit in their face, or kick a cancer survivor in the groin, push an asthmatic in front of a bus.

Fair play to you and the others on here who think the same.

drunkmonkey

The only rules should be around isolating while waiting for a test, result, or confirmation, and that needs to be forced as it's not happening. Business should be shut immediately once one staff goes down awaiting a result. I think it's now spreading like wildfire due to no laws around the above.
It's still spreading in hospitals, a friend of mines mum went into hospital the other day with an unrelated ailment, was put beside a person who is now confirmed to have Covid now she has it as well. The whole thing is a mess and the mismanagement knows no bounds.

Discodog

Ninthlife wrote: »

Its what Ive been told and its not overly surprising that a supermarket has a large amount.

The person who told me Id believe but ive also had others say it.

Chinese whispers as ever is possible but like I said the virus hasnt gone away

This would be seriously significant. The obvious sign would be a supermarket closing. A German study has said that they found no incidence of infection in supermarket workers.

I have several friends that either own, manage or work in supermarkets & they haven't had a case.

ChelseaRentBoy

easypazz wrote: »

Rubbish.

In simple english we need to get from A to B.

There are numerous route options.

The bellend that is Leo refuses to consider any alternative route.

Is it really necessary to keep calling the Taoiseach names?

Seriously it's the kind of stuff gurriers throw around.

FintanMcluskey

lawrencesummers wrote: »

No it wont. It will help but it’s not the only thing required. You know this as well but it doesn’t suit the narrative your pushing to justify whatever rules your going to be breaking.

Next time you see an elderly person waiting to cross the road just spit in their face, or kick a cancer survivor in the groin, push an asthmatic in front of a bus.

Fair play to you and the others on here who think the same.

What in the name of jeasus are you on about?

RGS

I agree with some posters on the likes of golf being allowed, it’s a solitary sport or in a small group and some common sense should be applied. You should be allowed drive 120km to get there if you need to. Common sense. But the idea that ah sure I can go meet a big group of mates if I tell the Garda I’m going shopping. Congratulations. You’ve beaten the system.[/quote]

It appears the department of health have stated golf falls within the 5km limit. That will stop a large percentage of golfers returning on the 18 may. Very few dubliners live within 5km of their golf course.

bloodless_coup

I see the same workers in the supermarkets now as before this thing.

You'd think that seeing supermarkets are the only place people can go, they'd be hotbeds for infection. Yet none of the staff are getting it. So if physical distancing is this effective in places like supermarkets, why the need for the any other restrictions?

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/sjanemurf/status/1256560942483230720

drunkmonkey

Discodog wrote: »

This would be seriously significant. The obvious sign would be a supermarket closing. A German study has said that they found no incidence of infection in supermarket workers.

I have several friends that either own, manage or work in supermarkets & they haven't had a case.

There not going to tell you, it's hush hush, business as normal.

bettyoleary

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The only rules should be around isolating while waiting for a test, result, or confirmation, and that needs to be forced as it's not happening. Business should be shut immediately once one staff goes down awaiting a result. I think it's now spreading like wildfire due to no laws around the above.
It's still spreading in hospitals, a friend of mines mum went into hospital the other day with an unrelated ailment, was put beside a person who is now confirmed to have Covid now she has it as well. The whole thing is a mess and the mismanagement knows no bounds.

I don't know why any one would be against having the app. That would stop this. It is obviously what will hold are easing down back and put people at risk if they are vulnerable.
The app is one of the biggest reasons South Korea was able to avoid a lock down on a scale like we have and they are on the road to recovery.

lawrencesummers

RGS wrote: »

I agree with some posters on the likes of golf being allowed, it’s a solitary sport or in a small group and some common sense should be applied. You should be allowed drive 120km to get there if you need to. Common sense. But the idea that ah sure I can go meet a big group of mates if I tell the Garda I’m going shopping. Congratulations. You’ve beaten the system.

It appears the department of health have stated golf falls within the 5km limit. That will stop a large percentage of golfers returning on the 18 may. Very few dubliners live within 5km of their golf course.[/QUOTE]

The golf isn’t the biggest problem there necessarily.
You drive 240km and you need to stop for fuel. That’s an unnecessary stop.
You drive 240km that takes maybe 3 hours, play golf for 4/5 hours and you have an 8/9 hour day so you need food as well. That’s an unnecessary stop.

You put more cars on the road you risk more accidents. That’s unnecessary.

You can look at anything in isolation and make a case for it, but you need to look at the bigger picture.

Dickie10

im looking forward to having a big steak and a chips and a few pints at a restauruant from june 29th. im glad say i was kind of right saying we would be out having a few pints and food from end of june. i think we are doing very well and new cases should be low by end of june. i presume with hotels opening on july 20th , these will be as good as pubs to some people for going for a drink. by the sounds of leo last night there seems to be a high degree of confidence that the virus will be well under control by mid july. he also said if things get on better they might be brought forward a few weeks. have to say its great to be able to have a date inn your mind when you can look forward to this. like june 29th is basically the end of next month.