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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/garda%C3%AD-close-phoenix-park-gates-as-anti-lockdown-protesters-try-to-assemble-1.4243820

"One could be heard telling gardaí that the natural law trumped man-made law and that he had a right under the Constitution to assemble. Another said he was a man of God and that computers get viruses, not human beings"

My head hurts.............................

[Deleted User]

Poorside wrote: »

And you think this absolute lad cares about those considering how much of a legend he is by flouting all the guidelines.

And I'm not outraged, quite chilled actually, but thanks for worrying about me.

I'm finding the faux outrage and self rightous shaming quite amusing at this stage

- especially when that poster lives alone, is driving alone to run in a forest, and is driving alone to visit a cemetery! Pick your battles.

Its good to see people have common sense about their lives going forward and will get on with life again as long as they are observing social distancing and hand washing. I would say for every person who posts here saying they are getting back to some kind of regular life there are a hundred more NOT on Boards doing the very same thing. In the last 7 weeks most of us know what is expected of us during these Covid times and will practice these precautions.

There is a worrying element of fear with people now, terrified at doing anything except sticking in the most rigid way to the Government "guidelines".
I would go as far as to say people are almost becoming institutionalized .

[Deleted User]

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

People have put their lives on hold for weeks now and there was very high compliance with the restrictions and what did we get yesterday from Varadkar?

Absolutely nothing.

What were you expecting to get? He's not in control of the virus. Right from the beginning, there was the expectation that such measures would be in place for months, until they could get a handle on the spread.

He's interested in reducing the spread of the virus, and not have Ireland turn into Italy or Spain, with the need for more draconian measures. Considering how late and lacking the measures taken by Western governments, including the Irish, it's good that he's waiting before giving any kind of all-clear. Which would be naive, at best. Hell, they're not up to speed on testing, but people want to jump back into normal living.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Hell, they're not up to speed on testing, but people want to jump back into normal living.

Ok we will wait for the testing to get up to speed so. Wafting through the lies and spin about testing from Harris so far, one could imagine testing should be on track by 2070

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm finding the faux outrage and self rightous shaming quite amusing at this stage - especially when that poster lives alone, is driving alone to run in a forest, and is driving alone to visit a cemetery! Pick your battles.

Or pick what you want from his post? He also stated interactions with other people, and ignoring the danger of the virus for two weeks.

There is a worrying element of fear with people now, terrified at doing anything except sticking in the most rigid way to the Government "guidelines".
I would go as far as to say people are almost becoming institutionalized .

Institutionalized? This is more of the same hysteria with the idea of a police state or a tyrannical government. We've been social distancing for just over a month, with other minor restrictions. If you're concerned about any levels of fear, perhaps look to the people/posters blowing such measures out of proportion.

Common sense would be lovely to see, but I'm not seeing a lot of it going on. Just loads of outrage that they're being inconvenienced... As if there isn't a highly infectious disease around, which we still don't fully understand, and still haven't tested everyone to determine the true range of infections... Yup. Some common sense would, indeed, be great.

snotboogie

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I had a lot of faith, for some reason, that social distancing being adhered to for the most part could actually put a decent dent in the speed of this thing.

But the attitude of lots I’ve seen online today trying to bend the roadmap and find excuses to do things is utterly hopeless, even journalists with countdowns to pubs opening. It seems like a lot of people have just forgotten or are ignorant that this a contagious virus that’s in the community. Fair enough it’s spread is low right now, but is we let up on restrictions it will spread faster. I’m not against easing, but I don’t think it’ll go too well if everyone just jumps to the next phase.

I agree with some posters on the likes of golf being allowed, it’s a solitary sport or in a small group and some common sense should be applied. You should be allowed drive 120km to get there if you need to. Common sense. But the idea that ah sure I can go meet a big group of mates if I tell the Garda I’m going shopping. Congratulations. You’ve beaten the system.

Countdowns to pubs reopening are a joke! The only pubs that will reopen are pubs that can essentially turn themselves into restaurants so that they can accommodate social distancing. Weddings as we traditionally understand them are the same, there'll be no big meals and sessions. Look at the current plan, there are zero plans for phasing out social distancing, the plan only focuses on a phased reintroduction of economic activity that can accommodate social distancing.

There is no plan at all to phases out social distancing, the next few months will focus on adjusting the public to the "new normal"

Simon Harrison

Deleted User wrote: »

We've been social distancing for just over a month

Eh two months?

FintanMcluskey

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I had a lot of faith, for some reason, that social distancing being adhered to for the most part could actually put a decent dent in the speed of this thing.

But the attitude of lots I’ve seen online today trying to bend the roadmap and find excuses to do things is utterly hopeless, even journalists with countdowns to pubs opening. It seems like a lot of people have just forgotten or are ignorant that this a contagious virus that’s in the community. Fair enough it’s spread is low right now, but is we let up on restrictions it will spread faster. I’m not against easing, but I don’t think it’ll go too well if everyone just jumps to the next phase.

I agree with some posters on the likes of golf being allowed, it’s a solitary sport or in a small group and some common sense should be applied. You should be allowed drive 120km to get there if you need to. Common sense. But the idea that ah sure I can go meet a big group of mates if I tell the Garda I’m going shopping. Congratulations. You’ve beaten the system.

Does any of it matter if social distance being adhered to?

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Or pick what you want from his post? He also stated interactions with other people, and ignoring the danger of the virus for two weeks.

Institutionalized? This is more of the same hysteria with the idea of a police state or a tyrannical government. We've been social distancing for just over a month, with other minor restrictions. If you're concerned about any levels of fear, perhaps look to the people/posters blowing such measures out of proportion.

Common sense would be lovely to see, but I'm not seeing a lot of it going on. Just loads of outrage that they're being inconvenienced... As if there isn't a highly infectious disease around, which we still don't fully understand, and still haven't tested everyone to determine the true range of infections... Yup. Some common sense would, indeed, be great.

If you live abroad how are you judging the effects of restrictions in Ireland?

[Deleted User]

Simon Harrison wrote: »

Eh two months?

People took the piss for the first few weeks of the social distancing being implemented (as many are doing now, it seems). They only started taking it seriously as the infections/deaths rose.

Deco99

When are furniture stores re-opening?

stephenjmcd

snotboogie wrote: »

Countdowns to pubs reopening are a joke! The only pubs that will reopen are pubs that can essentially turn themselves into restaurants so that they can accommodate social distancing. Weddings as we traditionally understand them are the same, there'll be no big meals and sessions. Look at the current plan, there are zero plans for phasing out social distancing, the plan only focuses on a phased reintroduction of economic activity that can accommodate social distancing.

There is no plan at all to phases out social distancing, the next few months will focus on adjusting the public to the "new normal"

I'd give it a month after the last service reopens before social distancing is basically non existent so say end of September, people will slip back into their old ways and it's just not going to be enforceable large scale. It'll be impossible to implement once offices, schools and colleges all come back and onto public transport. Social distancing on a luas, good luck.

The Danes lasted 2 weeks, multiple reports online there of social distancing essentially being ignored already.

We've the benefit of seeing how other countries get on first with most measures anyway so let's see how it goes. Its essentially 4 months away so I wouldn't be worrying about weddings etc at this moment in time until we actually get to the last stage. 5 million commuters expected back onto the Millan public transport on Monday, not exactly sure how they're supposed to social distance.

Simon Harrison

Deleted User wrote: »

People took the piss for the first few weeks of the social distancing being implemented (as many are doing now, it seems). They only started taking it seriously as the infections/deaths rose.

Tarring us all with the same brush again? It's insulting to the 90%+ who have done everything asked of them.

[Deleted User]

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If you live abroad how are you judging the effects of restrictions in Ireland?

I've been in Ireland since mid January. Came home for a 3 week holiday, and been here since.

[Deleted User]

Simon Harrison wrote: »

Tarring us all with the same brush again? It's insulting to the 90%+ who have done everything asked of them.

Well, I guess you haven't used any degree of generalisations in your posts? Seriously? (edit: I just noticed the post count. Care to use your real/main account for reference?)

Ok. Many people. Better?

Gucci flip flops

Anyone know if you do a test do they send you a text if your positive and if your negative do they also send you a text

easypazz

Simon Harrison wrote: »

Tarring us all with the same brush again? It's insulting to the 90%+ who have done everything asked of them.

The biggest insult is treating people like children again.

You get more with a smile than a frown.

Now people have moved on regardless and Leo's tripe last night will backfire.

Simon Harrison

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, I guess you haven't used any degree of generalisations in your posts? Seriously? (edit: I just noticed the post count. Care to use your real/main account for reference?)

Ok. Many people. Better?

This is my real/main account thank you. It's not a generalisation when you state something that is incorrect.

ShatterAlan

JoeA3 wrote: »

I and most reasonable people see it differently. Mainly young men, working in isolation, getting on with it, working hard, no danger to anyone. Not sitting on their holes collecting €350 a week.

Who's "sitting on their holes"?
What do you expect people who can't go to work because their place of employment is shout down to do?

How are shop, staff, bar, staff, restaurant staff supposed to "work from home"?

stephenjmcd

https://twitter.com/tancredipalmeri/status/1256632639429251076?s=09

Good daily updates here especially as they come to the end of lockdown

ZX7R

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I've been in Ireland since mid January. Came home for a 3 week holiday, and been here since.

Where are you hoping to go back to and when

retro:electro

In two months time we will be only talking about moving into stage 4 (that’s best case scenario) while it’s highly likely that the rest of Europe will be thriving and back in action. Our numbers could be well below 100 cases a day and very little deaths. If this is the case then how are we going to justify one million people on the dole and a lot of business still shut while the rest of the world is moving on? I just can’t see how people are going to cooperate

Ninthlife

Doing work in the front garden today..huge increase in the number of kids out playing and the ampunt of traffic coming and going.

Obviously alot of people have decided lockdown is over..

Hope they enjoy what may be a short lived bit of freedom as if we are hit by a resurgence restrictions will be just worse

People thinking its gone away.... local supervalu has over 15 now infected..now think of the community transmission possibilities there

ZX7R

Ninthlife wrote: »

Doing work in the front garden today..huge increase in the number of kids out playing and the ampunt of traffic coming and going.

Obviously alot of people have decided lockdown is over..

Hope they enjoy what may be a short lived bit of freedom as if we are hit by a resurgence restrictions will be just worse

People thinking its gone away.... local supervalu has over 15 now infected..now think of the community transmission possibilities there

Have you a reputable source for the 15 affected in your local SuperValu

[Deleted User]

ZX7R wrote: »

Where are you hoping to go back to and when

I live/work in China. As for when? No idea. Don't feel comfortable leaving my parents here until I know what the situation is.

Discodog

Ninthlife wrote: »

Doing work in the front garden today..huge increase in the number of kids out playing and the ampunt of traffic coming and going.

Obviously alot of people have decided lockdown is over..

Hope they enjoy what may be a short lived bit of freedom as if we are hit by a resurgence restrictions will be just worse

People thinking its gone away.... local supervalu has over 15 now infected..now think of the community transmission possibilities there

Really ? There have been no reports of any supermarket staff getting infected to date & you say 15 in one store ? That would be a huge cluster & all over the media.

Snugglebunnies

Ninthlife wrote: »

Doing work in the front garden today..huge increase in the number of kids out playing and the ampunt of traffic coming and going.

Obviously alot of people have decided lockdown is over..

Hope they enjoy what may be a short lived bit of freedom as if we are hit by a resurgence restrictions will be just worse

People thinking its gone away.... local supervalu has over 15 now infected..now think of the community transmission possibilities there

I get the impression that a lot of people no longer care if they themselves become infected, and the only precautions they're taking is to keep away from vulnerable people. I could be right or wrong on this!

SusieBlue

This thread seems have a lot of posters with massive amounts of empathy, support and compassion for those who have contracted covid-19. They seem like real stand up caring citizens, pillar of the community types.
Which is great, obviously.

So why do their sympathetic tendencies & concern seem to completely evaporate when say, for example, a bereaved person living alone says they are going to break the 2km to go for a walk in a forest, or someone else says they are breaking it to visit their mothers grave?
Or someone says they have depression and are struggling being at home alone with a small child?

The empathy & support seems to convert into a sneering, self righteous, belittling lecture about what a terrible person they are and how dare they complain when ‘people are dying’ and to get over it.
Not a caring or kind word in sight for these unfortunate posters who are honest enough to admit they are finding this hard.
They are just mocked and called names.
I have seen this many examples of over the last few weeks and it’s despicable.

Why is there sympathy for some people but not others?

Why are one group more important than another, and why is their suffering more relevant or worthy of concern?
Surely, if we’re all interested in ‘saving lives’, no life is more important than the next?
And surely the lives of the people whose futures will be taken away by the economy crashing, are just as important and worthy?

It’s highly hypocritical that some are bleating on about saving lives while showing zero consideration to those who are suffering under current restrictions.
Whether that be financially, physically or from the isolation itself.
We all matter and we all count.
If some could remember that before accusing others of faking depression, being selfish, and practically calling them murderers for daring to go more than 2km from their homes, it would make for a much fairer discussion.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Or pick what you want from his post? He also stated interactions with other people, and ignoring the danger of the virus for two weeks.

Institutionalized? This is more of the same hysteria with the idea of a police state or a tyrannical government. We've been social distancing for just over a month, with other minor restrictions.
.

Rest assured I am anything but hysterical

. I am getting on with life just fine. I am adhering to social distancing and hand washing but having spent the last 7 weeks at home alone ( not 4 weeks...... I had to self isolate initially while waiting for a test, which I never got).
I have decided this weekend enough is enough. So I am very happy, getting on with things in my own socially conscious way.

The hysteria is coming from people who are shaming anyone who steps outside their 2km or 5km. There is a huge fear in some people. We need to learn to live with Covid in our midst and do our best get on with life knowing about the dangers and the precautions which have been drummed in to us since early March.

Ninthlife

ZX7R wrote: »

Have you a reputable source for the 15 affected in your local SuperValu

Had to attend local GP during the week. The lady who works there said there were a dozen out with it.