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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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[Deleted User]

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If you live abroad how are you judging the effects of restrictions in Ireland?

I've been in Ireland since mid January. Came home for a 3 week holiday, and been here since.

Simon Harrison

Deleted User wrote: »

People took the piss for the first few weeks of the social distancing being implemented (as many are doing now, it seems). They only started taking it seriously as the infections/deaths rose.

Tarring us all with the same brush again? It's insulting to the 90%+ who have done everything asked of them.

stephenjmcd

snotboogie wrote: »

Countdowns to pubs reopening are a joke! The only pubs that will reopen are pubs that can essentially turn themselves into restaurants so that they can accommodate social distancing. Weddings as we traditionally understand them are the same, there'll be no big meals and sessions. Look at the current plan, there are zero plans for phasing out social distancing, the plan only focuses on a phased reintroduction of economic activity that can accommodate social distancing.

There is no plan at all to phases out social distancing, the next few months will focus on adjusting the public to the "new normal"

I'd give it a month after the last service reopens before social distancing is basically non existent so say end of September, people will slip back into their old ways and it's just not going to be enforceable large scale. It'll be impossible to implement once offices, schools and colleges all come back and onto public transport. Social distancing on a luas, good luck.

The Danes lasted 2 weeks, multiple reports online there of social distancing essentially being ignored already.

We've the benefit of seeing how other countries get on first with most measures anyway so let's see how it goes. Its essentially 4 months away so I wouldn't be worrying about weddings etc at this moment in time until we actually get to the last stage. 5 million commuters expected back onto the Millan public transport on Monday, not exactly sure how they're supposed to social distance.

Deco99

When are furniture stores re-opening?

[Deleted User]

Simon Harrison wrote: »

Eh two months?

People took the piss for the first few weeks of the social distancing being implemented (as many are doing now, it seems). They only started taking it seriously as the infections/deaths rose.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Or pick what you want from his post? He also stated interactions with other people, and ignoring the danger of the virus for two weeks.

Institutionalized? This is more of the same hysteria with the idea of a police state or a tyrannical government. We've been social distancing for just over a month, with other minor restrictions. If you're concerned about any levels of fear, perhaps look to the people/posters blowing such measures out of proportion.

Common sense would be lovely to see, but I'm not seeing a lot of it going on. Just loads of outrage that they're being inconvenienced... As if there isn't a highly infectious disease around, which we still don't fully understand, and still haven't tested everyone to determine the true range of infections... Yup. Some common sense would, indeed, be great.

If you live abroad how are you judging the effects of restrictions in Ireland?

FintanMcluskey

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I had a lot of faith, for some reason, that social distancing being adhered to for the most part could actually put a decent dent in the speed of this thing.

But the attitude of lots I’ve seen online today trying to bend the roadmap and find excuses to do things is utterly hopeless, even journalists with countdowns to pubs opening. It seems like a lot of people have just forgotten or are ignorant that this a contagious virus that’s in the community. Fair enough it’s spread is low right now, but is we let up on restrictions it will spread faster. I’m not against easing, but I don’t think it’ll go too well if everyone just jumps to the next phase.

I agree with some posters on the likes of golf being allowed, it’s a solitary sport or in a small group and some common sense should be applied. You should be allowed drive 120km to get there if you need to. Common sense. But the idea that ah sure I can go meet a big group of mates if I tell the Garda I’m going shopping. Congratulations. You’ve beaten the system.

Does any of it matter if social distance being adhered to?

Simon Harrison

Deleted User wrote: »

We've been social distancing for just over a month

Eh two months?

snotboogie

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I had a lot of faith, for some reason, that social distancing being adhered to for the most part could actually put a decent dent in the speed of this thing.

But the attitude of lots I’ve seen online today trying to bend the roadmap and find excuses to do things is utterly hopeless, even journalists with countdowns to pubs opening. It seems like a lot of people have just forgotten or are ignorant that this a contagious virus that’s in the community. Fair enough it’s spread is low right now, but is we let up on restrictions it will spread faster. I’m not against easing, but I don’t think it’ll go too well if everyone just jumps to the next phase.

I agree with some posters on the likes of golf being allowed, it’s a solitary sport or in a small group and some common sense should be applied. You should be allowed drive 120km to get there if you need to. Common sense. But the idea that ah sure I can go meet a big group of mates if I tell the Garda I’m going shopping. Congratulations. You’ve beaten the system.

Countdowns to pubs reopening are a joke! The only pubs that will reopen are pubs that can essentially turn themselves into restaurants so that they can accommodate social distancing. Weddings as we traditionally understand them are the same, there'll be no big meals and sessions. Look at the current plan, there are zero plans for phasing out social distancing, the plan only focuses on a phased reintroduction of economic activity that can accommodate social distancing.

There is no plan at all to phases out social distancing, the next few months will focus on adjusting the public to the "new normal"

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm finding the faux outrage and self rightous shaming quite amusing at this stage - especially when that poster lives alone, is driving alone to run in a forest, and is driving alone to visit a cemetery! Pick your battles.

Or pick what you want from his post? He also stated interactions with other people, and ignoring the danger of the virus for two weeks.

There is a worrying element of fear with people now, terrified at doing anything except sticking in the most rigid way to the Government "guidelines".
I would go as far as to say people are almost becoming institutionalized .

Institutionalized? This is more of the same hysteria with the idea of a police state or a tyrannical government. We've been social distancing for just over a month, with other minor restrictions. If you're concerned about any levels of fear, perhaps look to the people/posters blowing such measures out of proportion.

Common sense would be lovely to see, but I'm not seeing a lot of it going on. Just loads of outrage that they're being inconvenienced... As if there isn't a highly infectious disease around, which we still don't fully understand, and still haven't tested everyone to determine the true range of infections... Yup. Some common sense would, indeed, be great.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Hell, they're not up to speed on testing, but people want to jump back into normal living.

Ok we will wait for the testing to get up to speed so. Wafting through the lies and spin about testing from Harris so far, one could imagine testing should be on track by 2070

[Deleted User]

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

People have put their lives on hold for weeks now and there was very high compliance with the restrictions and what did we get yesterday from Varadkar?

Absolutely nothing.

What were you expecting to get? He's not in control of the virus. Right from the beginning, there was the expectation that such measures would be in place for months, until they could get a handle on the spread.

He's interested in reducing the spread of the virus, and not have Ireland turn into Italy or Spain, with the need for more draconian measures. Considering how late and lacking the measures taken by Western governments, including the Irish, it's good that he's waiting before giving any kind of all-clear. Which would be naive, at best. Hell, they're not up to speed on testing, but people want to jump back into normal living.

[Deleted User]

Poorside wrote: »

And you think this absolute lad cares about those considering how much of a legend he is by flouting all the guidelines.

And I'm not outraged, quite chilled actually, but thanks for worrying about me.

I'm finding the faux outrage and self rightous shaming quite amusing at this stage

- especially when that poster lives alone, is driving alone to run in a forest, and is driving alone to visit a cemetery! Pick your battles.

Its good to see people have common sense about their lives going forward and will get on with life again as long as they are observing social distancing and hand washing. I would say for every person who posts here saying they are getting back to some kind of regular life there are a hundred more NOT on Boards doing the very same thing. In the last 7 weeks most of us know what is expected of us during these Covid times and will practice these precautions.

There is a worrying element of fear with people now, terrified at doing anything except sticking in the most rigid way to the Government "guidelines".
I would go as far as to say people are almost becoming institutionalized .

interlocked

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/garda%C3%AD-close-phoenix-park-gates-as-anti-lockdown-protesters-try-to-assemble-1.4243820

"One could be heard telling gardaí that the natural law trumped man-made law and that he had a right under the Constitution to assemble. Another said he was a man of God and that computers get viruses, not human beings"

My head hurts.............................

Simon Harrison

mille100piedi wrote: »

wait when they are going to force us to download an app to trace our movements. Of course it is all in our health interest!

This is borderline impossible, nobody will be forced to download an app.

What Username Guidelines

I had a lot of faith, for some reason, that social distancing being adhered to for the most part could actually put a decent dent in the speed of this thing.

But the attitude of lots I’ve seen online today trying to bend the roadmap and find excuses to do things is utterly hopeless, even journalists with countdowns to pubs opening. It seems like a lot of people have just forgotten or are ignorant that this a contagious virus that’s in the community. Fair enough it’s spread is low right now, but is we let up on restrictions it will spread faster. I’m not against easing, but I don’t think it’ll go too well if everyone just jumps to the next phase.

I agree with some posters on the likes of golf being allowed, it’s a solitary sport or in a small group and some common sense should be applied. You should be allowed drive 120km to get there if you need to. Common sense. But the idea that ah sure I can go meet a big group of mates if I tell the Garda I’m going shopping. Congratulations. You’ve beaten the system.

Galwayguy35

People have put their lives on hold for weeks now and there was very high compliance with the restrictions and what did we get yesterday from Varadkar?

Absolutely nothing.

Poorside

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Id say the poster possibly does, most people know other people. Social distance and isolation will prevent the elderly getting it, despite your outrage

And you think this absolute lad cares about those considering how much of a legend he is by flouting all the guidelines.

And I'm not outraged, quite chilled actually, but thanks for worrying about me.

VonLuck

road_high wrote: »

I know it's a horror show someone travelling alone in a car to isolated spots including a graveyard. Maybe you can trace their IP Address and report them?

You wilfully ignored the rest of the post though. Visiting his sister 60km away and having contractors coming to his home does increase the risk of spread no matter what you say.

Plus the sense of bravado coming from the post, taking pride in going against the restrictions.

If we all had the same attitude we would be in a much worse place than we are now.

road_high

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Both realistically. The absence of any investigative reporting is a disappointing development during this. Instead, the condescension has been ramped up and the masses are loving it.

Said it several times now but that love in won't end until the benefits and PS wages are slashed. May not happen for a while but will be like a hitting a brick wall once it does happen.

FintanMcluskey

road_high wrote: »

Knew RTE were a pack of socialist day-dreamers but some of the commentary on their news tonight is just farcical- talking about a Garden Centre that will be and I quote "one of the first to benefit from the Green shoots of recovery" ...in 3 weeks time or more after months of forced closure. Not to mention the vastly reduced spending capacity of so many of their former customers.
Also I quote "reopening the country will be slow and steady". Not sure if they are naive or dumb or just both?

Both realistically. The absence of any investigative reporting is a disappointing development during this. Instead, the condescension has been ramped up and the masses are loving it.

road_high

Knew RTE were a pack of socialist day-dreamers but some of the commentary on their news tonight is just farcical- talking about a Garden Centre that will be and I quote "one of the first to benefit from the Green shoots of recovery" ...in 3 weeks time or more after months of forced closure. Not to mention the vastly reduced spending capacity of so many of their former customers.
Also I quote "reopening the country will be slow and steady". Not sure if they are naive or dumb or just both?

Breezin

Michael Levitt, Professor of Structural Biology at the Stanford School of Medicine, and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize for Chemistry, argues for a smart lockdown. This is in opposition, of course, to our dumb, indiscriminate lockdown -- the type he says is a 'huge mistake'.

One can only assume the hardliners running our lockdown simply aren't listening to people like this.

MOH

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

You ask if the laws are being reinterpreted by the police and I gave you a clear example

There was an Irish Times article after Easter weekend where a guard was quoted talking about moving people along who were sitting out in parks etc. He said that "since you should be able to walk 1km in about 20 minutes, we're telling people they're shouldn't be out for more than 40 minutes"

SeeMoreBut

If they are going to start relaxing restrictions some sort of child minding needs to be allowed to allow people to return to work.

Maybe not creches but some sort of child minding. Be it family or friend of family or normal minder. Maybe say 1 family per minder

Penfailed

Glenomra wrote: »

But isn't it a form of police state. Isn't that the reality of the gardai confining people to to a 2 km zone of their own house. In Turkmenistan eg. which is a police state people need police permission to travel from one place to another within the country. It might have been introduced for people's own 'ggod' but the fact remains we are now living in a form of police state.

The fact remains that we are not living in a form of police state. The attachment is the definition of a police state. It doesn't remotely resemble the conditions we are living in.

C__MC

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Was just at my local park (I walked there!) and you'll be delighted to hear there's more road traffic than I've seen since before all this started. Howth Road was busy, like any other Saturday at 6pm. So I really don't think there's any enforcement going on, the only lockdown now is businesses being closed.

The lockdown ended about two weeks ago

People just waiting on areas to open up- towns and roads alot busier from what I can see

Thelonious Monk

Was just at my local park (I walked there!) and you'll be delighted to hear there's more road traffic than I've seen since before all this started. Howth Road was busy, like any other Saturday at 6pm. So I really don't think there's any enforcement going on, the only lockdown now is businesses being closed.

[Deleted User]

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ah the old chestnut comes out when the pro unlimited restriction argument is exhausted "but I guess you're more annoyed with being inconvenienced than being interested in limiting deaths"

Huh? You haven't argued or refuted anything so far.... you keep deflecting by introducing other elements. First it was that covid would kill everyone, then it was the restrictions, now unlimited restrictions...

Oddly enough, you could actually argue what I've written..

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A form of emotional manipulation used by people who have not being affected by or see any issues with restrictions continuing indefinatly with the end result being a lack of resources to fund a functioning health care system

Ahh well, I've been out of work since the beginning of February, since I live in China.. but I guess I haven't been impacted at all by that. :rolleyes:

But we see, yet another, deflection here. Quite funny how you're unwilling to actually argue/debate anything. Constantly seeking to shift goalposts.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Considering the deaths in the two countries you named... I, wouldn't be thinking being behind them is too bad.... especially since their lockdown measures were far stronger than Ireland once properly implemented, but I guess you're more annoyed with being inconvenienced than being interested in limiting deaths.

I'm not even playing with words here. That's the impression I'm getting from your posts.

Ah the old chestnut comes out when the pro unlimited restriction argument is exhausted "but I guess you're more annoyed with being inconvenienced than being interested in limiting deaths". A form of emotional manipulation used by people who have not being affected by or see any issues with restrictions continuing indefinatly with the end result being a lack of resources to fund a functioning health care system