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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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[Deleted User]

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

1-The laws are being misinterpreted

Ok. List the laws being misinterpreted.

2-Nobody is being dragged off because compliance is 100%

You have some proof of that? :rolleyes:

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Horse****. I didn't say any such thing. Care to actually deal with what I posted?

Of course not.,. but some common sense would be nice. The reasons given for social distancing and cocooning make logical sense. Do it for a while, see what happens, and re-evaluate the situation. Determine the effects of the different waves of the virus and it's effects on the population.

Getting hysterical isn't exactly helpful.

Do it for a while? We are looking at 12 weeks minimum. Its primarily affecting nursing and care home settings common sense will allude to the fact that restrictions outside that wont make any difference.
As regards hysteria you seem much more wound up with the name calling, deep breathing techniques help with that

[Deleted User]

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

A few days ago the guards posted on twitter that they turned someone around because they were travelling more than 2km to a parcel motel locker, if people can collect package from a post office why can't they collect from parcel motel?

They quickly deleted the tweet after they realized they were in the wrong

Ahh.. you got me! That is definitely a great example of borderline tyranny and a perfect example of living in a police state. Seriously? Good lord. You're all so desperate to cry outrage that your complaints are incredibly weak.

Come on. I'm sure you can all do better than that.

bettyoleary

I'm just wondering if NI get the app will we have to have it too. Surely we will and it looks like the UK are looking at this pretty soon. They think there will be a big uptake on it because it will help to reduce the need for social distancing which can only be good.

RugbyLad11

Deleted User wrote: »

Ahh.. you got me! That is definitely a great example of borderline tyranny and a perfect example of living in a police state. Seriously? Good lord. You're all so desperate to cry outrage that your complaints are incredibly weak.

Come on. I'm sure you can all do better than that.

You ask if the laws are being reinterpreted by the police and I gave you a clear example

[Deleted User]

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Do it for a while? We are looking at 12 weeks minimum. Its primarily affecting nursing and care home settings common sense will allude to the fact that restrictions outside that wont make any difference.
As regards hysteria you seem much more wound up with the name calling, deep breathing techniques help with that

What name calling? Oh, and I'm still waiting for you to respond to what I did write originally...

As for 12 weeks minimum, realistically, we're looking at a gradual return of people into society and work, as they determine the effects of those stages. Same as was done in China, or other countries, which have seen spikes of infections arising from those relaxations.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The removal of the right to protest is surely excessive though?

That's more a consequence of the restrictions.

In any case, the police haven't gone to the State and said, "we need prostests banned. Ban protests."

FintanMcluskey

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

In any case, the police haven't gone to the State and said, "we need prostests banned. Ban protests."

No they havent, because the protest's haven't been allowed in the 1st place??

[Deleted User]

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

You ask if the laws are being reinterpreted by the police and I gave you a clear example

I asked for what was being misinterpreted. Not reinterpreted.

But sure, fair enough. Ok. Thanks.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

What name calling? Oh, and I'm still waiting for you to respond to what I did write originally...

As for 12 weeks minimum, realistically, we're looking at a gradual return of people into society and work, as they determine the effects of those stages. Same as was done in China, or other countries, which have seen spikes of infections arising from those relaxations.

A gradual return, meaning one of the most restrictive returns in Europe. Construction in Spain is back almost a month, we will be 6 weeks minimum behind Spain with the economic restrictions. 6 weeks after the pubs in Italy open we plan to open barbers.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No they havent, because the protest's haven't been allowed in the 1st place??

Proves my point - the police didn't make the laws.

In any case, has there been a specific law passed that outlawed protests, or is it just a consequence of the 2km rule?

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

I asked for what was being misinterpreted. Not reinterpreted.

But sure, fair enough. Ok. Thanks.

Thats fairly pedantic now!

I am me123

Anyone know when adult education centres will re open? It didnt specify these institutions in the government announcement.

[Deleted User]

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

A gradual return, meaning one of the most restrictive returns in Europe. Construction in Spain is back almost a month, we will be 6 weeks minimum behind Spain with the economic restrictions. 6 weeks after the pubs in Italy open we plan to open barbers.

Considering the deaths in the two countries you named... I, wouldn't be thinking being behind them is too bad.... especially since their lockdown measures were far stronger than Ireland once properly implemented, but I guess you're more annoyed with being inconvenienced than being interested in limiting deaths.

I'm not even playing with words here. That's the impression I'm getting from your posts.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Considering the deaths in the two countries you named... I, wouldn't be thinking being behind them is too bad.... especially since their lockdown measures were far stronger than Ireland once properly implemented, but I guess you're more annoyed with being inconvenienced than being interested in limiting deaths.

I'm not even playing with words here. That's the impression I'm getting from your posts.

Ah the old chestnut comes out when the pro unlimited restriction argument is exhausted "but I guess you're more annoyed with being inconvenienced than being interested in limiting deaths". A form of emotional manipulation used by people who have not being affected by or see any issues with restrictions continuing indefinatly with the end result being a lack of resources to fund a functioning health care system

[Deleted User]

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ah the old chestnut comes out when the pro unlimited restriction argument is exhausted "but I guess you're more annoyed with being inconvenienced than being interested in limiting deaths"

Huh? You haven't argued or refuted anything so far.... you keep deflecting by introducing other elements. First it was that covid would kill everyone, then it was the restrictions, now unlimited restrictions...

Oddly enough, you could actually argue what I've written..

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A form of emotional manipulation used by people who have not being affected by or see any issues with restrictions continuing indefinatly with the end result being a lack of resources to fund a functioning health care system

Ahh well, I've been out of work since the beginning of February, since I live in China.. but I guess I haven't been impacted at all by that. :rolleyes:

But we see, yet another, deflection here. Quite funny how you're unwilling to actually argue/debate anything. Constantly seeking to shift goalposts.

Thelonious Monk

Was just at my local park (I walked there!) and you'll be delighted to hear there's more road traffic than I've seen since before all this started. Howth Road was busy, like any other Saturday at 6pm. So I really don't think there's any enforcement going on, the only lockdown now is businesses being closed.

C__MC

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Was just at my local park (I walked there!) and you'll be delighted to hear there's more road traffic than I've seen since before all this started. Howth Road was busy, like any other Saturday at 6pm. So I really don't think there's any enforcement going on, the only lockdown now is businesses being closed.

The lockdown ended about two weeks ago

People just waiting on areas to open up- towns and roads alot busier from what I can see

Penfailed

Glenomra wrote: »

But isn't it a form of police state. Isn't that the reality of the gardai confining people to to a 2 km zone of their own house. In Turkmenistan eg. which is a police state people need police permission to travel from one place to another within the country. It might have been introduced for people's own 'ggod' but the fact remains we are now living in a form of police state.

The fact remains that we are not living in a form of police state. The attachment is the definition of a police state. It doesn't remotely resemble the conditions we are living in.

SeeMoreBut

If they are going to start relaxing restrictions some sort of child minding needs to be allowed to allow people to return to work.

Maybe not creches but some sort of child minding. Be it family or friend of family or normal minder. Maybe say 1 family per minder

MOH

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

You ask if the laws are being reinterpreted by the police and I gave you a clear example

There was an Irish Times article after Easter weekend where a guard was quoted talking about moving people along who were sitting out in parks etc. He said that "since you should be able to walk 1km in about 20 minutes, we're telling people they're shouldn't be out for more than 40 minutes"

Breezin

Michael Levitt, Professor of Structural Biology at the Stanford School of Medicine, and winner of the 2013 Nobel Prize for Chemistry, argues for a smart lockdown. This is in opposition, of course, to our dumb, indiscriminate lockdown -- the type he says is a 'huge mistake'.

One can only assume the hardliners running our lockdown simply aren't listening to people like this.

road_high

Knew RTE were a pack of socialist day-dreamers but some of the commentary on their news tonight is just farcical- talking about a Garden Centre that will be and I quote "one of the first to benefit from the Green shoots of recovery" ...in 3 weeks time or more after months of forced closure. Not to mention the vastly reduced spending capacity of so many of their former customers.
Also I quote "reopening the country will be slow and steady". Not sure if they are naive or dumb or just both?

FintanMcluskey

road_high wrote: »

Knew RTE were a pack of socialist day-dreamers but some of the commentary on their news tonight is just farcical- talking about a Garden Centre that will be and I quote "one of the first to benefit from the Green shoots of recovery" ...in 3 weeks time or more after months of forced closure. Not to mention the vastly reduced spending capacity of so many of their former customers.
Also I quote "reopening the country will be slow and steady". Not sure if they are naive or dumb or just both?

Both realistically. The absence of any investigative reporting is a disappointing development during this. Instead, the condescension has been ramped up and the masses are loving it.

road_high

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Both realistically. The absence of any investigative reporting is a disappointing development during this. Instead, the condescension has been ramped up and the masses are loving it.

Said it several times now but that love in won't end until the benefits and PS wages are slashed. May not happen for a while but will be like a hitting a brick wall once it does happen.

VonLuck

road_high wrote: »

I know it's a horror show someone travelling alone in a car to isolated spots including a graveyard. Maybe you can trace their IP Address and report them?

You wilfully ignored the rest of the post though. Visiting his sister 60km away and having contractors coming to his home does increase the risk of spread no matter what you say.

Plus the sense of bravado coming from the post, taking pride in going against the restrictions.

If we all had the same attitude we would be in a much worse place than we are now.

Poorside

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Id say the poster possibly does, most people know other people. Social distance and isolation will prevent the elderly getting it, despite your outrage

And you think this absolute lad cares about those considering how much of a legend he is by flouting all the guidelines.

And I'm not outraged, quite chilled actually, but thanks for worrying about me.

Galwayguy35

People have put their lives on hold for weeks now and there was very high compliance with the restrictions and what did we get yesterday from Varadkar?

Absolutely nothing.

What Username Guidelines

I had a lot of faith, for some reason, that social distancing being adhered to for the most part could actually put a decent dent in the speed of this thing.

But the attitude of lots I’ve seen online today trying to bend the roadmap and find excuses to do things is utterly hopeless, even journalists with countdowns to pubs opening. It seems like a lot of people have just forgotten or are ignorant that this a contagious virus that’s in the community. Fair enough it’s spread is low right now, but is we let up on restrictions it will spread faster. I’m not against easing, but I don’t think it’ll go too well if everyone just jumps to the next phase.

I agree with some posters on the likes of golf being allowed, it’s a solitary sport or in a small group and some common sense should be applied. You should be allowed drive 120km to get there if you need to. Common sense. But the idea that ah sure I can go meet a big group of mates if I tell the Garda I’m going shopping. Congratulations. You’ve beaten the system.

Simon Harrison

mille100piedi wrote: »

wait when they are going to force us to download an app to trace our movements. Of course it is all in our health interest!

This is borderline impossible, nobody will be forced to download an app.