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John Waters & Gemma O'Doherty to challenge lockdown in the high Court

Long_Wave

Now I know they are going to get a lot of ridicule for this but the lockdown is almost certainly unconstitutional so I wish them luck. https://mobile.twitter.com/gemmaod1/status/1250421661062459399

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Non solum non ambulabit

freddie1970 wrote: »

Imagine the scenario if we actually were forced to work during this crisis..the government saying the economy was more important and can't be shut down ...
Would Gemma be on the streets looking for a shutdown ...

Of course. Her only agenda is chaos. Bring down the system.

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Balf wrote: »

In fairness, it was already pretty much inaccessible to most of the city.

But well within the 3,500 km range allowed to Bulgarian fruit pickers under the Health (Load of Bollocks) Regulations 2020. I'd say they're hopping if they noiw can't visit the Zoo.

Well, that's a stretch. Are there exceptions to the 2km rule for Bulgarian fruit pickers.

freddie1970

Imagine the scenario if we actually were forced to work during this crisis..the government saying the economy was more important and can't be shut down ...
Would Gemma be on the streets looking for a shutdown ...

redarmy

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Entirely? Have all the gates been shut?

Yes

freddie1970

EDit wrote: »

Not sure if it’s the same video, but In the one I’ve just seen Gemma says something like “your time is coming”. I understand why the Gards didn’t take it further at the time, but is that not considered a threat?

Oh, I forgot to mention, she is a raging ****

I know we have had problems with the guards over the years ..But nobody should be able to talk to them like that ..

brightspark

Balf wrote: »

I suspect the 'argument' is wishful thinking. Grown-ups know you can't have your cake and eat it.

This is a farce being played out. Dragged out.

It's going to be expensive either way. I personally prefer the one that has less people dying.

Two meat factories (essential work, we still need to eat) are currently taking two different tactics, the Dawn plant has shut down with just 4 cases, the Rosderra one is reported to have many more and is continuing to operate, it will be interesting to see what happens to them in the long term.
(Of course it could simply be that the Dawn group has alternative means of production)

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redarmy wrote: »

The Phoenix Park has been completely closed off thanks to a protest organised

Entirely? Have all the gates been shut?

Balf

brightspark wrote: »

I have seen an argument that the long term effect on GDP would be higher if we just allow the virus to spread (death rates would increase dramatically amongst the working population once the hospitals are overrun).

I suspect the 'argument' is wishful thinking. Grown-ups know you can't have your cake and eat it.

This is a farce being played out. Dragged out.

brightspark

Balf wrote: »

I fear your spark is dimming. Like all of us, you need this peculiar time to end.

We all want it to end, but we need to be patient.

Balf wrote: »

I think our political leaders just needed to show the alternative is unsustainable. And, in fairness, that need seems global.

I suspect, though, that the WHO are just technocrats. Probably surprised at the extent to which they were actually entertained.

I have seen an argument that the long term effect on GDP would be higher if we just allow the virus to spread (death rates would increase dramatically amongst the working population once the hospitals are overrun).

Balf

brightspark wrote: »

This whataboutery is pointless,......

Also I doubt if many complaining about the 2km limit on exercise ever walked even half that most of the time.

I fear your spark is dimming. Like all of us, you need this peculiar time to end.

I think our political leaders just needed to show the alternative is unsustainable. And, in fairness, that need seems global.

I suspect, though, that the WHO are just technocrats. Probably surprised at the extent to which they were actually entertained.

brightspark

Balf wrote: »

In fairness, it was already pretty much inaccessible to most of the city.

But well within the 3,500 km range allowed to Bulgarian fruit pickers under the Health (Load of Bollocks) Regulations 2020. I'd say they're hopping if they noiw can't visit the Zoo.

This whataboutery is pointless, in my current job (essential worker) I travel just 30km each way, but my previous position would also have been classified as essential and involved 32 county travel to multiple sites including one of the meat processing sites in the news (I'm glad I'm not doing that anymore).

Unfortunately it isn't practicable to keep everyone at home 24/7 for a few weeks but we need to do all we can to avoid interpersonal contact.
I haven't met any of the Bulgarians and I doubt many people have, most of the immigrant workforce tend to keep to themselves. A lot of the Eastern Europeans who have been in this country for several years can still barely hold a conversation in English so I suspect they only socialise with others from their country.

Also I doubt if many complaining about the 2km limit on exercise ever walked even half that most of the time.

Balf

redarmy wrote: »

The Phoenix Park has been completely closed off thanks to a protest organised

In fairness, it was already pretty much inaccessible to most of the city.

But well within the 3,500 km range allowed to Bulgarian fruit pickers under the Health (Load of Bollocks) Regulations 2020. I'd say they're hopping if they noiw can't visit the Zoo.

redarmy

The Phoenix Park has been completely closed off thanks to a protest organised

Balf

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Potentially a similar court case in the UK
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/may/01/uk-government-faces-legal-challenge-coronavirus-lockdown-businessman-simon-dolan

Though it does seem to be a more reasonable way to approach it - I don't think he'll be going the screeching at police officers route.

Politically, this case is helping the Gubbermint as no one wants to find themselves in the same corner as Gemma.

But there is a reasonable case to be made here about whether a proportionate response is being taken.

EDit

Heat_Wave wrote: »

When she told the guard that she “seemed quite nervous” over and over I felt my teeth gritting with anger. Oh course she’s nervous, you’re videoing her against her will, naming her to hundreds of thousands of people, and you are shouting abuse in her face, all whist she is standing on the frontline trying to protect horrible people like you from a deadly virus.

What a vile human being! Reminds me of that a*sehole from White Moose Cafe. Attention seekers and bullies.

Not sure if it’s the same video, but In the one I’ve just seen Gemma says something like “your time is coming”. I understand why the Gards didn’t take it further at the time, but is that not considered a threat?

Oh, I forgot to mention, she is a raging ****

ArmaniJeanss

Potentially a similar court case in the UK
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/may/01/uk-government-faces-legal-challenge-coronavirus-lockdown-businessman-simon-dolan

He is taking the action... on the grounds that the lockdown was both legally defective and disproportionate in law. He is also seeking minutes of the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) meetings this year, some of which involved Boris Johnson’s adviser Dominic Cummings.

Though it does seem to be a more reasonable way to approach it - I don't think he'll be going the screeching at police officers route.

fullstop

Grab All Association wrote: »

Those of you in here calling for laws against recording encounters with An Garda Síochána seem to be forgetting what happened in the O’Higgins commission regarding Maurice McCabe, Jobstown trial where Gardaí committed perjury on the stand and the Rte cameraman assault etc

If your a Garda and you’re not abusing your power then you should have nothing to worry about someone recording you.

Disagree completely. Anyone can show the parts of the video that suit their narrative to make the guard look like the aggressor. The go-to of the scrote is for the person acting the bollox to start screaming brutality and the friends whip the camera phone out...have a look at Inside the K.

However, all guards should have body cams that must be running at all time, and time stamped. No ambiguity that way.

TaurenDruid

Grab All Association wrote: »

Those of you in here calling for laws against recording encounters with An Garda Síochána seem to be forgetting what happened in the O’Higgins commission regarding Maurice McCabe, Jobstown trial where Gardaí committed perjury on the stand and the Rte cameraman assault etc

If your a Garda and you’re not abusing your power then you should have nothing to worry about someone recording you.

Except nobody did that.

Many called O'D a gowl for recording/livestreaming the way she did - and she is! - but I don't think there many, if any, said it should be outlawed.

fullstop

Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

Nobody at all bothered by the fact that the legislation may be unconstitutional?

The aul sexism didn’t get any traction, so trying a new angle?

Would you rather the hospitals were overcome and 1,000 people per day were dying from Covid-19 just to stick it to ‘the man’....**** is that sexist as well?

mynamejeff

Grab All Association wrote: »

Those of you in here calling for laws against recording encounters with An Garda Síochána seem to be forgetting what happened in the O’Higgins commission regarding Maurice McCabe, Jobstown trial where Gardaí committed perjury on the stand and the Rte cameraman assault etc

If your a Garda and you’re not abusing your power then you should have nothing to worry about someone recording you.

or any scumbag with basic editing skills can make the police look like like the aggressor
if your going to use examples you should know what your talking about .

did your read the o Higgins commission reports , how many allegations were substantiated vs how many were fictional
how equipment that was ripped off gardai during the jobstown incident was recovered during drugs raids

remember the shell to sea rape tape that was later quietly proven to be edited.

agenda much ?

Shefwedfan

Grab All Association wrote: »

Those of you in here calling for laws against recording encounters with An Garda Síochána seem to be forgetting what happened in the O’Higgins commission regarding Maurice McCabe, Jobstown trial where Gardaí committed perjury on the stand and the Rte cameraman assault etc

If your a Garda and you’re not abusing your power then you should have nothing to worry about someone recording you.

Video recently uploaded on the lovely Facebook. Usually Dublin scumbag robbing a car. Had about 30 other little scumbags recording you could see in video, anyway crashed into Garda car causing huge damages, they lost control and stopped. Garda pulled them out of car while the other little scumbag are nearly running into traffic to try to record

Video is up, whole conversation is about the Garda has rammed into the scumbags, didn’t happen

Then it was the poor lads getting dragged out of car!!! Then it was about the Garda leaving them on side of road handcuffed..the poor fellows.

This is what the Garda deal with every day....

In Jobstown they should have just went in with battons and beat the living crap out of the lot of them.....shower of wasters!!!!

Grab All Association

Those of you in here calling for laws against recording encounters with An Garda Síochána seem to be forgetting what happened in the O’Higgins commission regarding Maurice McCabe, Jobstown trial where Gardaí committed perjury on the stand and the Rte cameraman assault etc

If your a Garda and you’re not abusing your power then you should have nothing to worry about someone recording you.

Truthvader

Horsebox9000 wrote: »

https://www.change.org/p/irish-court-services-gemma-o-doherty-and-or-john-waters-do-not-speak-for-us

Poor Gemma will just get excited by this. Further evidence of a sinister campaign by evil people trying to flood the country with immigrant zombies controlled over 5G by Leo Varadker and English freemasons intent on wiping out the Gaels while Gemma stands alone bravely defending Eire Saor etc etc world without end amen

Horsebox9000

https://www.change.org/p/irish-court-services-gemma-o-doherty-and-or-john-waters-do-not-speak-for-us

walshb

Heat_Wave wrote: »

When she told the guard that she “seemed quite nervous” over and over I felt my teeth gritting with anger. Oh course she’s nervous, you’re videoing her against her will, naming her to hundreds of thousands of people, and you are shouting abuse in her face, all whist she is standing on the frontline trying to protect horrible people like you from a deadly virus.

What a vile human being! Reminds me of that a*sehole from White Moose Cafe. Attention seekers and bullies.

You know, as vile and disgusting a woman that she clearly is, her broadcasting it to the masses should “be welcomed,” notwithstanding the wrongness of it..

It shows us what a toerag she is..

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krissovo wrote: »

I would happily give 100 euro to any essential worker who experiences a filmed outburst of these vile citizen's.

We should start go fund me's each time!

A Garda can't take your money or your presents. Send a nice card or letter.

krissovo

I would happily give 100 euro to any essential worker who experiences a filmed outburst of these vile citizen's.

We should start go fund me's each time!

extra gravy

sweetie wrote: »

I'm about to bury my mother who has passed due to this horrible virus. If I ever meet either of these despicable excuses for human beings so help me God I hope there's someone with me to keep me from driving a size 12 up their respective holes.

Sorry for your loss sweetie.

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sweetie wrote: »

I'm about to bury my mother who has passed due to this horrible virus. If I ever meet either of these despicable excuses for human beings so help me God I hope there's someone with me to keep me from driving a size 12 up their respective holes.

Sorry to hear that about your mother sweetie.

Heat_Wave

When she told the guard that she “seemed quite nervous” over and over I felt my teeth gritting with anger. Oh course she’s nervous, you’re videoing her against her will, naming her to hundreds of thousands of people, and you are shouting abuse in her face, all whist she is standing on the frontline trying to protect horrible people like you from a deadly virus.

What a vile human being! Reminds me of that a*sehole from White Moose Cafe. Attention seekers and bullies.