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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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road_high

da_miser wrote: »

Look back at previous posts.
Who now controls the former privately owned US Federal reserve?
This bill the the west is running up is going to disappear over night

Look at Ireland , the homeless crisis was big news all last year, then POOF it disappeared, as the government found money to house everyone in a hotel.
Governments of the West are throwing money around like its nothing, why?

Debt jubilee is coming or they will make China pay

Ah grand so, when the Bank sends people letters about all those missed payments people can tell them this so. Maybe you can draft up something for them?

[Deleted User]

Just catching up with all this now. I just can’t believe it. Our government has completely ceded policy decisions to the medics. Leo has no balls. This will crush us.

And will crush me. I’ve a flat in England and very tempted to bail and see out the rest of this, until August, over there where I’m not locked into a ridiculous 5km radius

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Come on now, 2 hours to come back with this waffle.

Some people have a life outside Boards. I'm catching up on three or four pages at this stage. Surely it's within the realm of possibility that the poster took about a minute to reply rather than think about it for two hours?

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

Some people have a life outside Boards. I'm catching up on three or four pages at this stage. Surely it's within the realm of possibility that the poster took about a minute to reply rather than think about it for two hours?

I hope you didn't put any thought into this

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Just catching up with all this now. I just can’t believe it. Our government has completely ceded policy decisions to the medics. Leo has no balls. This will crush us.

And will crush me. I’ve a flat in England and very tempted to bail and see out the rest of this, until August, over there where I’m not locked into a ridiculous 5km radius

In the words of Apollo Creed in Rocky, Its over its all over

dasdog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ2oXzrnti4

uli84

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just catching up with all this now. I just can’t believe it. Our government has completely ceded policy decisions to the medics. Leo has no balls. This will crush us.

And will crush me. I’ve a flat in England and very tempted to bail and see out the rest of this, until August, over there where I’m not locked into a ridiculous 5km radius

It’s shocking really...Mentally it’s taking a massive toll on me, not sure if im gonna actually be able to sleep this night or drag myself out of bed in the morning, feel sorry for my husband and kid

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I hope you didn't put any thought into this

Not much no.

gozunda

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

How do SF manage to infiltrate every thread on boards with anti government propaganda??

Some operation.

True. Is it perhaps like the rent a mob scheme that groups like some of the more extreme animal rights nutters use - maybe something like the campaign I came across to give all pets full civil rights? Allegedly they avail of bored university student types and pay beer expenses I suppose we do have a fair of amount of bored students tbh.

ChikiChiki

uli84 wrote: »

It’s shocking really...Mentally it’s taking a massive toll on me, not sure if im gonna actually be able to sleep this night or drag myself out of bed in the morning, feel sorry for my husband and kid

What is the alternative?

I empathize, have not a good nights sleep in 8 weeks. Crap situation across all sectors.

Dempo1

Curious to hear from anyone working in retail. I've read at length the document uploaded on gov.ie outlining the phased approach to lifting restrictions. They mention any business open during tier 1 of initial lockdown can reopen on 18th May. Firstly this is quite shocking as later in phase 2 they mention "small retail but with massive restrictions in place".

I work in small retail, was opened during Tier 1, communications business and it was appalling. The business requires close interaction with customers, handling mobile devices, customer queries, repairs etc. The shop was like an ICU unit, door locked, one customer at a time, basic hygiene practices introduced, it was quite simply a farce and in a shop unit that could never adhere fully to the new rules, I might add in a Midlands Town that saw one of the first major outbreaks. Notwithstanding business was decimated and eventually all staff laid off, it would seem on the face of it that regardless of what the staff faced, it's all fine now because we were open in Tier 1.

There is a serious contradiction at play here, in phase 2, you can open if small retail but only if stringent measures introduced but if you were open in Tier 1, you'll be fine, off you go.

I like all my colleagues want to get back to work but given the nature of the business, size of shop it seems extraordinary we're reopening in phase 1 and in a situation we're realistically none of the measures being proposed in phase 2 are remotely practical in our business. On a final note, consumer confidence and sentiment is at such a low ebb, I can see many small retail businesses either never reopening or opening only to close fully within a short amount of time.

I do agree with a phased approach but one that has a clear path.

newman10

Dempo1 wrote: »

Curious to hear from anyone working in retail. I've read at length the document uploaded on gov.ie outlining the phased approach to lifting restrictions. They mention any business open during tier 1 of initial lockdown can reopen on 18th May. Firstly this is quite shocking as later in phase 2 they mention "small retail but with massive restrictions in place".

I work in small retail, was opened during Tier 1, communications business and it was appalling. The business requires close interaction with customers, handling mobile devices, customer queries, repairs etc. The shop was like an ICU unit, door locked, one customer at a time, basic hygiene practices introduced, it was quite simply a farce and in a shop unit that could never adhere fully to the new rules, I might add in a Midlands Town that saw one of the first major outbreaks. Notwithstanding business was decimated and eventually all staff laid off, it would seem on the face of it that regardless of what the staff faced, it's all fine now because we were open in Tier 1.

There is a serious contradiction at play here, in phase 2, you can open if small retail but only if stringent measures introduced but if you were open in Tier 1, you'll be fine, off you go.

I like all my colleagues want to get back to work but given the nature of the business, size of shop it seems extraordinary we're reopening in phase 1 and in a situation we're realistically none of the measures being proposed in phase 2 are remotely practical in our business. On a final note, consumer confidence and sentiment is at such a low ebb, I can see many small retail businesses either never reopening or opening only to close fully within a short amount of time.

I do agree with a phased approach but one that has a clear path.

I work for a chain, units are small, around 800 to 1000sq ft, some on the street and some in centres. Some shops have never closed, eg Holland & Barrett, although they are in the same centre as I am.
I cant figure out the guidelines but it seems as if Shopping Centres will not open until July 20th but if your unit is Street Side, you can reopen in June
Not sure how Clothing and many other can implement social distancing until full opening

Cina

I've read the roadmap and I can't find a clear explanation as to when IT companies and the like will actually go back to the office?

The closest I see is phase 4 where they say "Organisations where employees cannot remote work to be considered first for return to onsite working arrangements".. so does that mean I still have to remote work seeing as we can in my company? Because there's no mention in phase 5 of not having to remote work anymore!

drunkmonkey

newman10 wrote: »

I work for a chain, units are small, around 800 to 1000sq ft, some on the street and some in centres. Some shops have never closed, eg Holland & Barrett, although they are in the same centre as I am.
I can't figure out the guidelines but it seems as if Shopping Centres will not open until July 20th but if your unit is Street Side, you can reopen in June
Not sure how Clothing and many other can implement social distancing until full opening

Shopping centers are phase 5 from my reading of it that's the 10th of August, his store can open on the 18th of May if not in a shopping center.

Gael23

normanoffside wrote: »

Don't worry, there will be so few workers that public transport will be empty, meanwhile anyone driving will be clamped, as they already are being.

https://www.thejournal.ie/clampers-dublin-city-5087638-Apr2020/

Come August the amount of passengers will grow significantly. It’s physically impossible to operate social distancing on the Luas

helimachoptor

3.5 months before we see any real normality.
Seems insane when you see the plans of other euro countries.

The brits will have theirs released during the week and it will be a shorter return than ours.

drunkmonkey

Cina wrote: »

I've read the roadmap and I can't find a clear explanation as to when IT companies and the like will actually go back to the office?

The closest I see is phase 4 where they say "Organisations where employees cannot remote work to be considered first for return to onsite working arrangements".. so does that mean I still have to remote work seeing as we can in my company? Because there's no mention in phase 5 of not having to remote work anymore!

Remote work is recommended if it's possible and not to stop just because you can. I think they know the plan isn't going to work but were forced to make one. It gives some hope, without a cure we'll be back to square 1 again. I don't see how were getting through winter if the flu arrives.

Jim Gazebo

Absolutely crazy. The nursing homes are where the majority of this virus is now.
I spoke to a mate in canada last night. Hasn't stopped working, construction. They are now easing restrictions.
Look at the state of us. 5km , 10km leo can do one. I'm going where I want, but avoiding contact with others. If you don't trust the people, they won't trust you.

Jim Gazebo

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Remote work is recommended if it's possible and not to stop just because you can. I think they know the plan isn't going to work but were forced to make one. It gives some hope, without a cure we'll be back to square 1 again. I don't see how were getting through winter if the flu arrives.

If? The flu arrives every ******* year and we've got through it!?!?

average_runner

Cina wrote: »

I've read the roadmap and I can't find a clear explanation as to when IT companies and the like will actually go back to the office?

The closest I see is phase 4 where they say "Organisations where employees cannot remote work to be considered first for return to onsite working arrangements".. so does that mean I still have to remote work seeing as we can in my company? Because there's no mention in phase 5 of not having to remote work anymore!

We are an IT company and expecting to work remotely till.dec. To be honest IT will.do alot more work from home now as its cheaper

average_runner

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

If? The flu arrives every ******* year and we've got through it!?!?

Everyone will be asked to get the flu jab next winter

drunkmonkey

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

If? The flu arrives every ******* year and we've got through it!?!?

With the widened case definition it's going to be hard tell who's sick from what without a lot of testing self isolating going on. I think we we're lucky when Covid this year. Winter is going to be a lot more tricky. Pubs won't be open and we'll be back in lockdown again without total eradication over the next few months.

drunkmonkey

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Absolutely crazy. The nursing homes are where the majority of this virus is now.

Not correct just look what's after happening in the meat factorys.

stephenjmcd

average_runner wrote: »

We are an IT company and expecting to work remotely till.dec. To be honest IT will.do alot more work from home now as its cheaper

Work in IT myself and I'll be back in the office over the next few weeks, theres just some stuff that can't be done from home including physical projects. Large office so social distancing not an issue.

Couldn't work from home myself until dec, it's just not for me and dont have the space to put in a proper WFH setup

alentejo

I think the plan return to normality in itself make some sense however i do foresee that if other Euro countries including the UK have much quicker and less restrictive rules, the Irish plan will fall apart. Imagine UK restaurants and pubs fully open in July (or even June) and Ireland is a month behind the curve! The pressure to open up services and shops will be huge!

I also think some of the rules for meeting up will be very difficult to police in the longer run. The state will not be able to police this - It will be guidance only at this stage.

the kelt

Jeez just looked back over sone of the posts her from last night, nasty stuff, poster admits to struggling at home through all this with their kid etc and finding things tough, depressive etc and gets torn to shreds by a couple of posters and told they were basically a crap parent.

Seriously whatever your views are on easing non easing of restrictions etc show a bit of empathy. It’s not the same for everyone.

stephenjmcd

alentejo wrote: »

I think the plan return to normality in itself make some sense however i do foresee that if other Euro countries including the UK have much quicker and less restrictive rules, the Irish plan will fall apart. Imagine UK restaurants and pubs fully open in July (or even June) and Ireland is a month behind the curve! The pressure to open up services and shops will be huge!

I also think some of the rules for meeting up will be very difficult to police in the longer run. The state will not be able to police this - It will be guidance only at this stage.

We have to see how it plays out but I agree if everywhere else is open and the virus is largely contained then yes there's going to be pressure to open more up. But Leo did say last night that its possible that might happen,
"If, for example, we found out the virus was dissipating and weakening much quicker than we intended, there are some things that are now in phase five or four that might be brought forward."

JRant

alentejo wrote: »

I think the plan return to normality in itself make some sense however i do foresee that if other Euro countries including the UK have much quicker and less restrictive rules, the Irish plan will fall apart. Imagine UK restaurants and pubs fully open in July (or even June) and Ireland is a month behind the curve! The pressure to open up services and shops will be huge!

I also think some of the rules for meeting up will be very difficult to police in the longer run. The state will not be able to police this - It will be guidance only at this stage.

There is some good in there but it's far too spread out. It'll be 5 weeks before anything really changes bar some construction and diy stores opening up.

The criteria for moving phases is also far too wishy washy. It's basically whatever NPHET decide at the time, so no clear markers to work towards. We already have the growth rate below 2% for over 4 days in a row now and the R0 is somewhere between 0.5/0.8. ICU numbers are at their lowest for a month and admissions still dropping with a load of extra capacity available.

Discodog

Vital Transformation wrote: »

Not naming names but I know of a few shops that fall under a category you listed above that continue to operate during the lockdown despite being deemed non-essential by the government. Granted, their premises weren't opened to the public but they continued to sell online. Shops selling this type of item were not on the government list for either high street or even online only.

I wonder was there some leeway given here between the guards and businesses that could still function online but weren't included as essential on that list.

A lot of those shops have always been legally allowed to open but advised not to.

BarryD2

Roadmap: 7 categories, 5 stages - 35 sets of often vague criteria. Only a government committee could come up with a thing like this.
The public can understand simple ideas like non essential businesses closed or open. Or no unnecessary travel, stay at home. Even then, some can’t even follow this.
The public don’t do nuance, the ‘plan’ is ridiculously complicated and will be ignored after a while.
The plan is really a diversion from the practical solution which is to test, get people to isolate if infected and trace contacts. It’s up to the government to organise this testing & tracing. Why aren’t they getting on with this??