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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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FintanMcluskey

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Sorry to hear that pal.

I was let go last week myself and tbh im a bit lost.

I'm also very angry with the people iv'e seen out and about the last couple of weeks in groups mixing without any fcuks given. It's ruined it for us all.

Sorry to hear you lost your job.
People mixing has nothing to do with the extensions. Its got to do with care home cases and a lack of testing.

road_high

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

I was let go from my job an hour after the Taoiseach gave his speech this evening. An hour. By phone.

I’m so sorry to hear that. I reckon a load of businesses were hanging by a thread in there for this rubbish tonight, in the faint hope some modicum of sense might be included from an economic perspective.
May I ask what industry you’re in?
I expect many businesses will let people go onto the €350 per week allowance rather than the salary support scheme up to now. Scale of losses likely to be off the scale in the next week unfortunately.
I feel terrible for people, it could happen any of us in the private sector especially

[Deleted User]

Enter name here wrote: »

Absolutely fine with it all, only people who live above their means are in trouble. The people with savings and jobs will be grand.

Wow!
What a selfish post. As long as you’re grand then... with your savings.

FintanMcluskey

SAMTALK wrote: »

There are other medical procedures taking place at the minute. Obviously not all but not everything has stopped except vivid cases

No with 2000 empty beds all but emergency care has stopped for 6 months

Hearty80

Leo is like a confused actor, who hasnt learned his lines lol.

CoronaBlocker

Wtf ? wrote: »

Whose fault is that ?. Get a chinese takeway, console yourself, What ?

My own, obviously!

Enter name here

Deleted User wrote: »

Wow!
What a selfish post. As long as you’re grand then... with your savings.

If you are married and both had jobs you are getting 700 a week in the hand. No one is paying rent or a mortgage, so 700 is enough to live quite comfortably in the mean time.

sliabh 1956

I for one am delighted that we have something to aim for it all seems pretty rational to me. Of course there will be economic hardship but again that will be only for a short time . I cant see any person dying of starvation in the near future but people will die of Co Vid 19 and a lot more will die unless we follow the guidelines that were announced to night. The economy will always recover but we have only one life to live. I get the impression from my immediate circle of friends that they are willing to put up with this hardship now and going forward for the greater good .

na1

Deleted User wrote: »

You can't refuse your own citizens re - entry, but if you tried then the same rabble would be up in arms about gubbermint interference.

You can't refuse your own citizens, but you can isolate them for two weeks.

SAMTALK

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No with 2000 empty beds all but emergency care has stopped for 6 months

They needed to have beds ready and I'm sure if they are not required they will be released.

They is also a terrible shortage of healthcare workers to man these beds so there is no point in having procedures taking place if there is no staff to care for patients

If this is your plan I think I'll stick to listening to leo for another while

FintanMcluskey

Enter name here wrote: »

If you married you are getting 700 a week in the hand if you had a job. No one is paying rent or a mortgage, so 700 is enough to live quite comfortably in the mean time.

That money will be stopped long before the restrictions are lifted

CoronaBlocker

road_high wrote: »

I’m so sorry to hear that. I reckon a load of businesses were hanging by a thread in there for this rubbish tonight, in the faint hope some modicum of sense might be included from an economic perspective.
May I ask what industry you’re in?
I expect many businesses will let people go onto the €350 per week allowance rather than the salary support scheme up to now. Scale of losses likely to be off the scale in the next week unfortunately.
I feel terrible for people, it could happen any of us in the private sector especially

Print-packaging and vehicle wrapping. It looks like it will be a bad week but somehow still only feels like the beginning. Not even sure there's point in dusting off the CV yet. Who is hiring now?!

Where did the future go?

JRant

road_high wrote: »

Now where did I say anything of that? How do you know I’m alright, you don’t even know me. Now keep your head rammed into the sand with the rest of the sheep all you like. This is a blueprint for national bankruptcy on top of the past few months of it.
This is a fact - if you’re ok with mass unemployment, severe cuts to all public spending, wholesale business collapse , home repossessions etc. The price tag is absolutely massive

Pascal said the estimates were 23 billion for the first part of this. We could be in the hole for over 75/80 billion come August and that doesn't take into account the fact that every single industry is now looking for financial support.

It took a boom cycle of 4/5 years to run up some of the debt levels we are seeing here.

Banana Republic.

Any idea if The Theory Test centres will be open also? Just a thought I don’t see anything that even relates to that.

JPCN1

Enter name here wrote: »

Absolutely fine with it all, only people who live above their means are in trouble. The people with savings and jobs will be grand.

And they're the very same ones who'll be told to pick up the tab again...

risteard7

A few days ago it was a "disgrace" "stay at home" "there's way more traffic on the roads" "we need to continue the Lockdown"

Now it's "open everything up" "2 more weeks of this!" So which is it? Such a crowd of morons

FintanMcluskey

JRant wrote: »

Pascal said the estimates were 23 billion for the first part of this. We could be in the hole for over 75/80 billion come August and that doesn't take into account the fact that every single industry is now looking for financial support.

It took a boom cycle of 4/5 years to run up some of the debt levels we are seeing here.

Leo is making jokes about him and Tony going to the barbers.
This is who is leading us head on into the doldrums

road_high

Enter name here wrote: »

If you are married and both had jobs you are getting 700 a week in the hand. No one is paying rent or a mortgage, so 700 is enough to live quite comfortably in the mean time.

Many people have greater commitments in terms of mortgage, loans, cars etc- both in secure well paid employment until now. As another poster had said the €350 can not last much longer, I just can’t see that happening.
As for mortgage breaks- how long do you think they will go on for without movement from the banks and people’s credit ratings being destroyed?
The banks have commitments on their side too. This is extremely serious, I’m actually taken aback at the amount of people who think this can go on much longer without mega shocks.

risteard7

FintanMcluskey

road_high wrote: »

Many people have greater commitments in terms of mortgage, loans, cars etc- both in secure well paid employment until now. As another poster had said the €350 can not last much longer, I just can’t see that happening.
As for mortgage breaks- how long do you think they will go on for without movement from the banks and people’s credit ratings being destroyed?
The banks have commitments on their side too. This extremely serious, I’m actually taken aback at the smoking if people who think this can go on much longer without mega shocks

This will strangle the next 3 generations in the name of saving lives. I think it will soon be time to log off here. Most of the balanced posters seem to have

Speakerboxx

risteard7 wrote: »

A few days ago it was a "disgrace" "stay at home" "there's way more traffic on the roads" "we need to continue the Lockdown"

Now it's "open everything up" "2 more weeks of this!" So which is it? Such a crowd of morons

Fully agree. A bunch of whingers.

na1

alwald wrote: »

Expand on you logic and reasoning a bit just to sheer me up while I am enjoying a cold beer.

Just look at China: shutdown the whole city at the end of January. No one allowed to leave.
As a result now they have 80k cases in a 1.39 billion country. and about 700 active cases now. And most of the businesses are fully operational now. no moving restrictions.

Ireland: got the first cases in the end of February. Now we have 4 times higher incident rate than in Hubei province alone, or 70 times higher then in a whole country. And hopefully have most of restrictions lifted at the begin of August.

robbiezero

risteard7 wrote: »

A few days ago it was a "disgrace" "stay at home" "there's way more traffic on the roads" "we need to continue the Lockdown"

Now it's "open everything up" "2 more weeks of this!" So which is it? Such a crowd of morons

Who is looking to open everything up? Hyperbolic nonsense.

phobia2011

The site I’m working on opened last week, (construction)
It’s by no means essential work, as much i want to go back I’m a bit pissed with it tbh.

risteard7

FintanMcluskey

risteard7 wrote: »

A few days ago it was a "disgrace" "stay at home" "there's way more traffic on the roads" "we need to continue the Lockdown"

Now it's "open everything up" "2 more weeks of this!" So which is it? Such a crowd of morons

Say that again

plodder

risteard7 wrote: »

A few days ago it was a "disgrace" "stay at home" "there's way more traffic on the roads" "we need to continue the Lockdown"

Now it's "open everything up" "2 more weeks of this!" So which is it? Such a crowd of morons

"so" "many" "quotation" "marks" "what" "is" "your" "point"?

Fine Day

Leo coming across very poor tonight on the Late Late Show. He seems a bit out of touch on it all. Very surprised as I thought he was always well cluded in.

road_high

JRant wrote: »

Pascal said the estimates were 23 billion for the first part of this. We could be in the hole for over 75/80 billion come August and that doesn't take into account the fact that every single industry is now looking for financial support.

It took a boom cycle of 4/5 years to run up some of the debt levels we are seeing here.

Thanks for posting up some real figures- yes I was going to say at least double the original estimate of €30 billion but that wasn’t based on these vastly extended time scales. That’s only the relative short term.
The gigantic hole created will still be there next year and the year after, with increased national debt service costs.

RugbyLad11

helimachoptor wrote: »

'essential' International travel, so basically if anyone can get a flight here they can

Lots of counties around us are starting to open up already. I'm debating if I should hop on a flight somewhere with my partner because I can't stay like this in Ireland until August at a minimum.