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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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FintanMcluskey

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

I was let go from my job an hour after the Taoiseach gave his speech this evening. An hour. By phone.

Sorry to hear that.
A lot of business we awaiting the announcement this evening to make a decision on viability. Waiting months on end to reopen was a non runner

CoronaBlocker

I was let go from my job an hour after the Taoiseach gave his speech this evening. An hour. By phone.

FintanMcluskey

Wtf ? wrote: »

Keep everything open, Let people die, I'm allright Jack'' says it all really. I am not enjoying it either.

Let people die.
Ah this used to be a balanced thread, not anymore

Spanish Eyes

Wonder if anyone thinks there will be an influx of asylum seekers now.

Woops.

FintanMcluskey

JRant wrote: »

So can everyone know stop going on about flattening the curve being the goal of this lockdown. NPHET have now decided that complete suppression is the end goal and to hell with the consequences.

I'd also like someone in the media to ask Leo to back up his claim that the ICU departments would be overrun in a matter of days if we didn't follow this path.

I see no good reason to extend this out past August. That's over 4 months away and will be 6 months in total. The main concern I have with stretching it out that long is we get into Flu season not long after that. Lord knows what measures will be brought in then. Bloody scary time coming up and we seem to be lead by a half baked cabinet, some of whom aren't even elected TD's anymore.

The issue is we are the only EU country listening only to the Medics. The other EU countries are debating and the doctors and economists are trashing it out. Even Germany had riots, we have people reporting each and the Gardai media representative making a clown of themselves on twitter

titan18

With flights still going too, you can actually fly out of the country and have other familt members fly out in order to meet them and then fly back.

Or fly out and get a haircut and come back.

But can't do those things in the country.

Some of it is a bit nonsensical even though I'm someone in agreement with restrictions

helimachoptor

'essential' International travel, so basically if anyone can get a flight here they can

Wtf ?

road_high wrote: »

How do we not if there’s Garda checkpoints?
I’m a bit shocked with the scale and brevity of the extended lockdown. The country is going to be almost shuttered until autumn.
I don’t get any sense the economic costs have been grasped in the Taoiseach's PR speech. We are likely to see many business go to the wall in the coming weeks

Keep everything open, Let people die, I'm allright Jack'' says it all really. I am not enjoying it either.

titan18

NegativeCreep

completedit wrote: »

Definitely. It's far enough into the future to not have to worry about but gives us an idea of the road map. There's not a hope in hell that pubs and bars are opened by then.

Italy planning on opening theirs in June or July so I don’t see why we couldn’t by August.

I actually don’t care when pubs open. The only restriction I care about is visiting other houses which is set to lift for us on June 8 so I’m happy enough with the announcement today.

fatalll

Waccamacca3 wrote: »

What is phase 5 anyone actually know

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0501/1136167-road-map-details/

FintanMcluskey

robbiezero wrote: »

20th of July to visit any family if they are outside of 50k. Is that correct? Jokeshop if so.

Yep. Italian's can visit family from Monday

fatalll

Waccamacca3 wrote: »

What is phase 5 anyone actually know

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0501/1136167-road-map-details/

road_high

C__MC wrote: »

I certainly will not be adhering to that gibberish

How do we not if there’s Garda checkpoints?
I’m a bit shocked with the scale and brevity of the extended lockdown. The country is going to be almost shuttered until autumn.
I don’t get any sense the economic costs have been grasped in the Taoiseach's PR speech. We are likely to see many business go to the wall in the coming weeks

JRant

So can everyone know stop going on about flattening the curve being the goal of this lockdown. NPHET have now decided that complete suppression is the end goal and to hell with the consequences.

I'd also like someone in the media to ask Leo to back up his claim that the ICU departments would be overrun in a matter of days if we didn't follow this path.

I see no good reason to extend this out past August. That's over 4 months away and will be 6 months in total. The main concern I have with stretching it out that long is we get into Flu season not long after that. Lord knows what measures will be brought in then. Bloody scary time coming up and we seem to be lead by a half baked cabinet, some of whom aren't even elected TD's anymore.

titan18

I agree with a lot of it but I do think there are some mistakes in it.

Hairdressers for one seems way too far away. Some of the when you can visit family is also a bit far.

Thought they might allow pubs that serve food to open for limited hours at same point as restaurants too. Close before 10 sort of job as long as there can be social distancing.

I think cinemas could have been phase 4 too as long as they did they empty every second seat like they had done pre lockdown.

I agree with most of it, but I feel like some phases are a bit too cautious, even for me, and I'm very risk averse

Vital Transformation

Glenomra wrote: »

Can someone explain to me why I can buy, stationery in Dealz but my stationers has to remain closed, plants in Supervalu but my Garden Centre has to remain closed; music in Aldi but my musical shop has to remain closed, flowers in Tesco but my florist has to remain closed etc etc. Also why don't the smaller specialist shops campaign for earlier reopening.

Not naming names but I know of a few shops that fall under a category you listed above that continue to operate during the lockdown despite being deemed non-essential by the government. Granted, their premises weren't opened to the public but they continued to sell online. Shops selling this type of item were not on the government list for either high street or even online only.

I wonder was there some leeway given here between the guards and businesses that could still function online but weren't included as essential on that list.

Wtf ?

retro:electro wrote: »

Oh god I am so sick of this sanctimonious crap on this site. The literally said they will be in contact with fewer people if they reside there, therefore they are actually putting themselves and others at a lower risk by being there. If I had a holiday home I’d piss off to it too. Some people just like to be cranky on here for the sake of it and a few thanks

But they are asking you not to travel, What part of ''Do not travel'' Don't you understand ?

FintanMcluskey

SAMTALK wrote: »

I'm still waiting on your plan

The thread is full of the lockdown enthusiasts tonight. And rightly so, today is the day ye have won. Well done.
I really do hope that the saving lives before economy rhetoric works out, I really do. I hope when the Exchequer has bled the last of its cash in August and cant pay public service wages that we will remember all those lives we have saved.
The government has chosen lives over economy according to some here. Perhaps someone could explain how taking over the private hospitals and leaving 2000 beds empty for 6 months and 500 consultants twiddling their thumbs fits into the lives over economy rhetoric?
Wheres the testing we were promised?
Wheres the PPE for the health workers?
Why are the hospitals now empty?
This is a management issue and always has been, and unfortunately that management has been allowed continue its clueless guidance and lack of transparency.
As of May 4th we have the most restrictive economic policy in Europe, and its due to an absence of leadership.

[Deleted User]

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

Fine. If you die with no collateral damage, that'd be great. I've NO issue with you removing yourself from the gene pool, as you seem determined enough to do it anyways.

But supposing you contract it... Who do you pass it to while you're asymptomatic? Which of your loved ones are expendable? Do you know their known medical status? What about any unknown conditions they may have? Think of your loved ones... Which one would you be most okay with burying?

And then, think of the medical staff you'd impact. Doctors, nurses, paramedics... They'd all be potentially exposed to you while treating you. What if you fatally infect one of them? Or one of their loved ones, by proxy?

See how this works?

And if you still say no, it says a lot more about you, your intelligence, your empathy and your level of responsibility than anything else.

None of us like this situation, but we act like grown ups and make a current temporary sacrifice for a future positive outcome.

I think people didn’t read my post. I’ve barely left the house so not spreading to anyone.
I just stated that I don’t give much of a toss about Covid.
Economic impact will hit harder.

Nice holier than thou rant all the same.

growleaves

Definitely. It's far enough into the future to not have to worry about but gives us an idea of the road map. There's not a hope in hell that pubs and bars are opened by then.

If you read the framework document, it says both that aspects from later phases can be brought forward and that economic considerations can supervene.

So I don't see how anyone can say for definite, unless they have secret knowledge or secret connections they're not mentioning.

retro:electro

Wtf ? wrote: »

Tell that to Gardai several times on your way there. I am sure the local's will greet you with open arm's too. I did not know you were different to the rest of us, sorry.

Oh god I am so sick of this sanctimonious crap on this site. They literally said they will be in contact with fewer people if they reside there, therefore they are actually putting themselves and others at a lower risk by being there. If I had a holiday home I’d piss off to it too. Some people just like to be cranky on here for the sake of it and a few thanks

fly_agaric

ixoy wrote: »

You don't think it has anything to do with how the government's reacted and the HSE's competency? I mean Feargal Bower's point about May the 18th being the HSE's target for testing alone is interesting. If it was earlier, then it's likely Phase 1 would be earlier. So it's not just what the virus is doing - it's the speed of the reaction to it too.

Of course - it is a combination of the situation itself and our government/public sector's ability to cope with it which will allow for a relaxation of restrictions. It is what it is.

HSE/Dept of Health have always struggled with some basics that people expect from a health service in a wealthy country and there are many reasons for this. I'm sure the toss has been argued back and forth on too many posts and threads to count over the years.

Health service and some aspects of the public sector don't suddenly become top class/world beating, like superman shedding the Clark Kent disguise right when we badly need them. They haven't done too badly at all so far I think, could have been a lot worse (with many more deaths).

C__MC

robbiezero wrote: »

20th of July to visit any family if they are outside of 50k. Is that correct? Jokeshop if so.

I certainly will not be adhering to that gibberish

robbiezero

20th of July to visit any family if they are outside of 50k. Is that correct? Jokeshop if so.

MadYaker

At least we have some sort of a plan now. Makes the lockdown easier to put up with.

degsie

alwald wrote: »

Expand on you logic and reasoning a bit just to sheer me up while I am enjoying a cold beer.

More that one I presume?

alwald

na1 wrote: »

Some of these EU countries have 200k cases and 20k deaths..

We are on the island. The natural barrier to any infection. Easy to monitor borders. the only problem is NI border, but I believe it would be much easier and cheaper to monitor NI border than the whole county national roads. OR could made an agreement with UK that they close the borders with NI.

Expand on you logic and reasoning a bit just to sheer me up while I am enjoying a cold beer.

completedit

hmmm wrote: »

"Stage 5" looks like a bucket to throw stuff into which are never going to be opened before a vaccine. I wouldn't hold my breath we'll meet that date.

Definitely. It's far enough into the future to not have to worry about but gives us an idea of the road map. There's not a hope in hell that pubs and bars are opened by then.

hmmm

Ellie1988 wrote: »

I think I may have skimmed through the roadmap too quickly to fully understand...but when can I actually go to my partners/friends/parents houses and give them a hug? Without social distancing

Without social distancing? Unfortunately that will only be safe when we've defeated the virus with either a vaccine or a treatment. Hopefully we'll see easy-to-use home tests as well in the future.

We will be able to meet in groups over time, but no hugging or close contact.