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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Penfailed

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Up to this point the " lockdown " was pushed out by every 2 weeks .
The 5 stages are going to be 3 weeks apart .
This is a major mistake .
The 5 stages should be only 2 weeks apart from each other .
This would have meant country reopening on 27 th July .
5 weeks in summertime would mean a huge DIFFERANCE to businesses .

The very first phase was two weeks, the next one was three weeks, the next, until the 18th of May is two weeks. Another person posted earlier about why the three weeks were required - two weeks for symptoms and another week to be hospitalised. Sounds logical to me.

growleaves

I wonder if things are going better than expected could they push ahead with some phases? I don’t know..

They could. On p.5 of the framework document:

The framework is intended to be applied flexibly, so that it would be open to the NPHET, at any point in time, to recommend measures from later phases depending on the prevailing circumstances

But will they?

_Kaiser_

redarmy wrote: »

Simon Harris confirms people may not be able to see their loved ones who live more than 20km away until July

Yea, I can see this being a major issue for most people. Expect widespread ignoring of the rule long before then.

2+ months away because of the mis-management of the nursing home situation? Which doesn't affect most people anyway?

Can't see it. Especially when the Gardai are forced to stand down from the current level of operation - something (Drew) Harris has already flagged will be pretty soon.

Jimmy Bottlehead

[Deleted User] wrote: »

14 dead under 45. I’ll take my chances

Fine. If you die with no collateral damage, that'd be great. I've NO issue with you removing yourself from the gene pool, as you seem determined enough to do it anyways.

But supposing you contract it... Who do you pass it to while you're asymptomatic? Which of your loved ones are expendable? Do you know their known medical status? What about any unknown conditions they may have? Think of your loved ones... Which one would you be most okay with burying?

And then, think of the medical staff you'd impact. Doctors, nurses, paramedics... They'd all be potentially exposed to you while treating you. What if you fatally infect one of them? Or one of their loved ones, by proxy?

See how this works?

And if you still say no, it says a lot more about you, your intelligence, your empathy and your level of responsibility than anything else.

None of us like this situation, but we act like grown ups and make a current temporary sacrifice for a future positive outcome.

Balf

Poorside wrote: »

The limit was for exercise and still is, how are people still unaware of this?

They're not unaware. Its just some, possibly including yourself, have an excessively pedantic need to say "that's only for exercise", as if we all have the same freedom to travel as a Bulgarian fruit picker and the only limitation was to stay within 2km for exercise.

We are to stay indoors, except for essential purposes. If we go out for exercise, we can go no further than 2 km - now 5 km. So, in practical terms, 5 km is the limit for our free movement. We can go 5 km for no particular reason. We need a good reason to go further.

HeidiHeidi

growleaves wrote: »

They could. On p.5 of the framework document:

But will they?

Why wouldn't they, if circumstances warrant it?

They're really not doing this for ****s 'n' giggles, however much your tinfoil hat tells you they are.

[Deleted User]

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Oh grow up FGS, it's only people like you and others on here screaming about the Economy and all your own selfish nonsense that need to be put back in yer box.
:

Its really hard seeing posts like this again and again telling people to grow up.
You Spanish Eyes have family and kids! You are not on your own.

This is my 3rd bank holiday weekend completely on my own, Paddys weekend, Easter and now May. I feel bleak and flat. I have nobody at all around me and have been on my own for 7 weeks. Its not easy for an awful lot of people, and harder again for those on their own who do NOT need to be told to grow up!
I have 2 grown up kids, both abroad. My brothers and sisters live over 100km from me. My job is on hold.

But apart from the all that I am more sick and worried about the economy than anything else. We did what we were told, we got community transmission down. We were told May 5th (3 long weeks ago) was our Holy Grail. But we never seem to be good enough, the goalposts keep moving. Its demoralising and I feel so depressed.

I have an elderly mother in a nursing home with dementia ,but I am more scared about the economy and the devastation ahead for the next few years. I wonder will a lot of the posters who are relishing this extended lockdown will be crying then or will they support the inevitable tax hikes, benefits cuts and wage freezes. I am scared that this will also be pushed out to cover the June Bank holiday next.

GUARANTEED that the people here who are shouting at people to shut up and who are delighted that this lockdown is continuing has not been completely alone for 7 weeks.

Spanish Eyes

Honestly, the people saying they can't see their Ma or Da, well at least they are alive and all that. Lucky you lot.

What about all those poor unfortunates who have had to bury their loved ones more or less anonymously without the usual Irish hug and gathering. Not to mention not being able to be with them at the end. So very sad and it will impact them for a long time. We don't hear much about that.

Some people are so immature, think death is never going to happen. Believe me it does and these days the process of of death, grief and isolation in that regard is absolutely heart wrenching.

alwald

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Luckily we already have an insight to great economic depressions

Luckily the people leading this country value the life of its citizens more than an economy that can be rebuilt. Just to add that sadly you don't seem to be up to speed with the EU packages proposed and to be proposed to tackle the economic crisis.

Penfailed

normanoffside wrote: »

yes, I have posted it a million times before and you will just go ahead and ignore it again.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1

He requested peer reviewed scientific evidence and you state that you've posted it, "a million times before(!)," and it states AT THE VERY TOP, EMBOLDENED AND HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, that it's not peer reviewed. Good work.

growleaves

They're really not doing this for ****s 'n' giggles, however much your tinfoil hat tells you they are.

You are a liar, and a gurrier for jumping straight to insults about tinfoil hats. I wasn't suggesting anything untoward about motivations. I was literally asking "Will they?" (as in 'what does the future hold?')

hmmm

Penfailed wrote: »

He requested peer reviewed scientific evidence and you state that you've posted it, "a million times before(!)," and it states AT THE VERY TOP, EMBOLDENED AND HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, that it's not peer reviewed. Good work.

In fairness, very little is peer reviewed so far, this virus is very new. That looks like a decent study, with good references, and you can see from the government plan that there is lots of talk about outdoor activities being opened earlier.

I think food-based businesses should be seriously thinking about whether it would be possible to serve customers outdoors in the coming months, and what support would they need to do so. We should be able to close roads.

normanoffside

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Honestly, the people saying they can't see their Ma or Da, well at least they are alive and all that. Lucky you lot.

What about all those poor unfortunates who have had to bury their loved ones more or less anonymously without the usual Irish hug and gathering. Not to mention not being able to be with them at the end. So very sad and it will impact them for a long time. We don't hear much about that.

Some people are so immature, think death is never going to happen. Believe me it does and these days the process of of death, grief and isolation in that regard is absolutely heart wrenching.

Definition of Whataboutery

[Deleted User]

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Honestly, the people saying they can't see their Ma or Da, well at least they are alive and all that. Lucky you lot.

What about all those poor unfortunates who have had to bury their loved ones more or less anonymously without the usual Irish hug and gathering. Not to mention not being able to be with them at the end. So very sad and it will impact them for a long time. We don't hear much about that.

Some people are so immature, think death is never going to happen. Believe me it does and these days the process of of death, grief and isolation in that regard is absolutely heart wrenching.

That's a very big assumption!! Most of us have experienced death in some shape or form. You know nothing about most posters here!

Level 42

richie_os wrote: »

Thank you for the smug emoji in response to me wanting some clarity, and the other poster whos comments have now been deleted. I live alone and haven't seen anybody since the beginning of March, including my mother who had a stroke 10 days ago. Apologies for asking for clarity on whether I could see my partner in her garden for a bit of comfort.

hope its clear now for you its 5km not 25 and pop in for a meet up-best of luck

SAMTALK

Sweet Maggie I'm sorry you,re going through this and we know it's hard. No one is saying this is easy.

Yes I get to go to work and have family at home but i also have reltives working in health care 1 of them in ICU., Elderly parents 1 with an underlying condition so it's a constant worry

niallo27

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Construction sites to open up on the 18th

Is that correct?

Most are back Tuesday, some are back already.

Level 42

some havent stopped at all crews doing single houses garages etc pure flaaing the situation

Penfailed

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

2+ months away because of the mis-management of the nursing home situation?

That's quite a leap you've made. You think we have to wait 2+ months because of something that has already happened? No. It's because of what is happening (and will continue to happen). It's that virus thing that's doing the rounds.

normanoffside

Penfailed wrote: »

He requested peer reviewed scientific evidence and you state that you've posted it, "a million times before(!)," and it states AT THE VERY TOP, EMBOLDENED AND HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, that it's not peer reviewed. Good work.

Can you show any peer reviewed studies on any thesis relating to this Virus?
Has any study had time to be peer reviewed?

We can only go from what we have.

RugbyLad11

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Yea, I can see this being a major issue for most people. Expect widespread ignoring of the rule long before then.

2+ months away because of the mis-management of the nursing home situation? Which doesn't affect most people anyway?

Can't see it. Especially when the Gardai are forced to stand down from the current level of operation - something (Drew) Harris has already flagged will be pretty soon.

I'm out of the loop, why are Gardai being forced to stand down

[Deleted User]

SAMTALK wrote: »

Sweet Maggie I'm sorry you,re going through this and we know it's hard. No one is saying this is easy.

Yes I get to go to work and have family at home but i also have reltives working in health care 1 of them in ICU., Elderly parents 1 with an underlying condition so it's a constant worry

Thanks Samtalk, I can see both sides and I do understand. But its the smugness and shouting down at so many posters here that is really upsetting. THis is an incredibly long time for some people to be alone, a lot of us are a breaking point.
NOBODY here knows what anybody is going through!! I find some posts here sickening.

Spanish Eyes

Deleted User wrote: »

That's a very big assumption!! Most of us have experienced death in some shape or form. You know nothing about most posters here!

I know I don't re posters here, but I know what I have gone through myself thanks. Assumptions, assumptions.

But that was back in the day (not so recent either) when people gathered, sympathised, hugged and so on, and there was a big gathering before and after to celebrate the life of the deceased. That really helped but has not been possible for many for a while.

Just empathising regarding the lockdown situation and the dying and deceased. Hope that's ok.

na1

alwald wrote: »

Luckily the people leading this country value the life of its citizens more than an economy that can be rebuilt. Just to add that sadly you don't seem to be up to speed with the EU packages proposed and to be proposed to tackle the economic crisis.

If they care about citizens they would close the borders back in January. Any Irish returning to the State - two weeks quarantine. Any non-national, sorry, stay where you are.

ixoy

Penfailed wrote: »

That's quite a leap you've made. You think we have to wait 2+ months because of something that has already happened? No. It's because of what is happening (and will continue to happen). It's that virus thing that's doing the rounds.

You don't think it has anything to do with how the government's reacted and the HSE's competency? I mean Feargal Bower's point about May the 18th being the HSE's target for testing alone is interesting. If it was earlier, then it's likely Phase 1 would be earlier. So it's not just what the virus is doing - it's the speed of the reaction to it too.

Glenomra

Can someone explain to me why I can buy, stationery in Dealz but my stationers has to remain closed, plants in Supervalu but my Garden Centre has to remain closed; music in Aldi but my musical shop has to remain closed, flowers in Tesco but my florist has to remain closed etc etc. Also why don't the smaller specialist shops campaign for earlier reopening.

NH2013

redarmy wrote: »

Simon Harris confirms people may not be able to see their loved ones who live more than 20km away until July

Well I won't be complying with that, come Tuesday I'll be travelling across the country to see the other half, **** this for a game of soldiers with its constantly shifting goalposts, I'm out.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Its really hard seeing posts like this again and again telling people to grow up.
You Spanish Eyes have family and kids! You are not on your own.

This is my 3rd bank holiday weekend completely on my own, Paddys weekend, Easter and now May. I feel bleak and flat. I have nobody at all around me and have been on my own for 7 weeks. Its not easy for an awful lot of people, and harder again for those on their own who do NOT need to be told to grow up!
I have 2 grown up kids, both abroad. My brothers and sisters live over 100km from me. My job is on hold.

But apart from the all that I am more sick and worried about the economy than anything else. We did what we were told, we got community transmission down. We were told May 5th (3 long weeks ago) was our Holy Grail. But we never seem to be good enough, the goalposts keep moving. Its demoralising and I feel so depressed.

I have an elderly mother in a nursing home with dementia ,but I am more scared about the economy and the devastation ahead for the next few years. I wonder will a lot of the posters who are relishing this extended lockdown will be crying then or will they support the inevitable tax hikes, benefits cuts and wage freezes. I am scared that this will also be pushed out to cover the June Bank holiday next.

GUARANTEED that the people here who are shouting at people to shut up and who are delighted that this lockdown is continuing has not been completely alone for 7 weeks.

Travel where you need to. Take major hygiene precaution. Look after yourself and take care. The measures are in place to protect people so do what you need to in order to look after yourself.

KrustyUCC

C__MC wrote: »

What's the story on meeting family 50km-100km away?

Will the news laws still be implemented by gardai after 18th?

Phase 4 20th July at the earliest

[Deleted User]

NH2013 wrote: »

Well I won't be complying with that, come Tuesday I'll be travelling across the country to see the other half, **** this for a game of soldiers with its constantly shifting goalposts, I'm out.

I'm definitely out.