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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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[Deleted User]

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Honestly, the people saying they can't see their Ma or Da, well at least they are alive and all that. Lucky you lot.

What about all those poor unfortunates who have had to bury their loved ones more or less anonymously without the usual Irish hug and gathering. Not to mention not being able to be with them at the end. So very sad and it will impact them for a long time. We don't hear much about that.

Some people are so immature, think death is never going to happen. Believe me it does and these days the process of of death, grief and isolation in that regard is absolutely heart wrenching.

That's a very big assumption!! Most of us have experienced death in some shape or form. You know nothing about most posters here!

normanoffside

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Honestly, the people saying they can't see their Ma or Da, well at least they are alive and all that. Lucky you lot.

What about all those poor unfortunates who have had to bury their loved ones more or less anonymously without the usual Irish hug and gathering. Not to mention not being able to be with them at the end. So very sad and it will impact them for a long time. We don't hear much about that.

Some people are so immature, think death is never going to happen. Believe me it does and these days the process of of death, grief and isolation in that regard is absolutely heart wrenching.

Definition of Whataboutery

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Penfailed wrote: »

He requested peer reviewed scientific evidence and you state that you've posted it, "a million times before(!)," and it states AT THE VERY TOP, EMBOLDENED AND HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, that it's not peer reviewed. Good work.

In fairness, very little is peer reviewed so far, this virus is very new. That looks like a decent study, with good references, and you can see from the government plan that there is lots of talk about outdoor activities being opened earlier.

I think food-based businesses should be seriously thinking about whether it would be possible to serve customers outdoors in the coming months, and what support would they need to do so. We should be able to close roads.

growleaves

They're really not doing this for ****s 'n' giggles, however much your tinfoil hat tells you they are.

You are a liar, and a gurrier for jumping straight to insults about tinfoil hats. I wasn't suggesting anything untoward about motivations. I was literally asking "Will they?" (as in 'what does the future hold?')

Penfailed

normanoffside wrote: »

yes, I have posted it a million times before and you will just go ahead and ignore it again.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1

He requested peer reviewed scientific evidence and you state that you've posted it, "a million times before(!)," and it states AT THE VERY TOP, EMBOLDENED AND HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE, that it's not peer reviewed. Good work.

alwald

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Luckily we already have an insight to great economic depressions

Luckily the people leading this country value the life of its citizens more than an economy that can be rebuilt. Just to add that sadly you don't seem to be up to speed with the EU packages proposed and to be proposed to tackle the economic crisis.

Spanish Eyes

Honestly, the people saying they can't see their Ma or Da, well at least they are alive and all that. Lucky you lot.

What about all those poor unfortunates who have had to bury their loved ones more or less anonymously without the usual Irish hug and gathering. Not to mention not being able to be with them at the end. So very sad and it will impact them for a long time. We don't hear much about that.

Some people are so immature, think death is never going to happen. Believe me it does and these days the process of of death, grief and isolation in that regard is absolutely heart wrenching.

[Deleted User]

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Oh grow up FGS, it's only people like you and others on here screaming about the Economy and all your own selfish nonsense that need to be put back in yer box.
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Its really hard seeing posts like this again and again telling people to grow up.
You Spanish Eyes have family and kids! You are not on your own.

This is my 3rd bank holiday weekend completely on my own, Paddys weekend, Easter and now May. I feel bleak and flat. I have nobody at all around me and have been on my own for 7 weeks. Its not easy for an awful lot of people, and harder again for those on their own who do NOT need to be told to grow up!
I have 2 grown up kids, both abroad. My brothers and sisters live over 100km from me. My job is on hold.

But apart from the all that I am more sick and worried about the economy than anything else. We did what we were told, we got community transmission down. We were told May 5th (3 long weeks ago) was our Holy Grail. But we never seem to be good enough, the goalposts keep moving. Its demoralising and I feel so depressed.

I have an elderly mother in a nursing home with dementia ,but I am more scared about the economy and the devastation ahead for the next few years. I wonder will a lot of the posters who are relishing this extended lockdown will be crying then or will they support the inevitable tax hikes, benefits cuts and wage freezes. I am scared that this will also be pushed out to cover the June Bank holiday next.

GUARANTEED that the people here who are shouting at people to shut up and who are delighted that this lockdown is continuing has not been completely alone for 7 weeks.

HeidiHeidi

growleaves wrote: »

They could. On p.5 of the framework document:

But will they?

Why wouldn't they, if circumstances warrant it?

They're really not doing this for ****s 'n' giggles, however much your tinfoil hat tells you they are.

Balf

Poorside wrote: »

The limit was for exercise and still is, how are people still unaware of this?

They're not unaware. Its just some, possibly including yourself, have an excessively pedantic need to say "that's only for exercise", as if we all have the same freedom to travel as a Bulgarian fruit picker and the only limitation was to stay within 2km for exercise.

We are to stay indoors, except for essential purposes. If we go out for exercise, we can go no further than 2 km - now 5 km. So, in practical terms, 5 km is the limit for our free movement. We can go 5 km for no particular reason. We need a good reason to go further.

Jimmy Bottlehead

[Deleted User] wrote: »

14 dead under 45. I’ll take my chances

Fine. If you die with no collateral damage, that'd be great. I've NO issue with you removing yourself from the gene pool, as you seem determined enough to do it anyways.

But supposing you contract it... Who do you pass it to while you're asymptomatic? Which of your loved ones are expendable? Do you know their known medical status? What about any unknown conditions they may have? Think of your loved ones... Which one would you be most okay with burying?

And then, think of the medical staff you'd impact. Doctors, nurses, paramedics... They'd all be potentially exposed to you while treating you. What if you fatally infect one of them? Or one of their loved ones, by proxy?

See how this works?

And if you still say no, it says a lot more about you, your intelligence, your empathy and your level of responsibility than anything else.

None of us like this situation, but we act like grown ups and make a current temporary sacrifice for a future positive outcome.

_Kaiser_

redarmy wrote: »

Simon Harris confirms people may not be able to see their loved ones who live more than 20km away until July

Yea, I can see this being a major issue for most people. Expect widespread ignoring of the rule long before then.

2+ months away because of the mis-management of the nursing home situation? Which doesn't affect most people anyway?

Can't see it. Especially when the Gardai are forced to stand down from the current level of operation - something (Drew) Harris has already flagged will be pretty soon.

growleaves

I wonder if things are going better than expected could they push ahead with some phases? I don’t know..

They could. On p.5 of the framework document:

The framework is intended to be applied flexibly, so that it would be open to the NPHET, at any point in time, to recommend measures from later phases depending on the prevailing circumstances

But will they?

Penfailed

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Up to this point the " lockdown " was pushed out by every 2 weeks .
The 5 stages are going to be 3 weeks apart .
This is a major mistake .
The 5 stages should be only 2 weeks apart from each other .
This would have meant country reopening on 27 th July .
5 weeks in summertime would mean a huge DIFFERANCE to businesses .

The very first phase was two weeks, the next one was three weeks, the next, until the 18th of May is two weeks. Another person posted earlier about why the three weeks were required - two weeks for symptoms and another week to be hospitalised. Sounds logical to me.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

redarmy wrote: »

Simon Harris confirms people may not be able to see their loved ones who live more than 20km away until July

Where did he say that? Ludicrous.

HeidiHeidi

Deleted User wrote: »

14 dead under 45. I’ll take my chances

And the other vulnerable people you'd pass it on to while you're out and about with your new found freedom?

C__MC

retro:electro wrote: »

I wonder if things are going better than expected could they push ahead with some phases? I don’t know.. it’s not good but it’s not the worst news either. At least we have some idea when things will start to relax. Seeing it in black and white is kind of grim though. But sure look. At least we can start to see family on the 18th so I’m grateful for that.

What's the story on meeting family 50km-100km away?

Will the news laws still be implemented by gardai after 18th?

richie_os

Level 42 wrote: »

not unclear at all :rolleyes:

obviously if friends or family are in the 5k you can meet them

Thank you for the smug emoji in response to me wanting some clarity, and the other poster whos comments have now been deleted. I live alone and haven't seen anybody since the beginning of March, including my mother who had a stroke 10 days ago. Apologies for asking for clarity on whether I could see my partner in her garden for a bit of comfort.

retro:electro

I wonder if things are going better than expected could they push ahead with some phases? I don’t know.. it’s not good but it’s not the worst news either. At least we have some idea when things will start to relax. Seeing it in black and white is kind of grim though. But sure look. At least we can start to see family on the 18th so I’m grateful for that.

SAMTALK

Deleted User wrote: »

14 dead under 45. I’ll take my chances

And if you dont die but pass to a family member who does. What would you think then?

Worth the chance still?

[Deleted User]

storker wrote: »

This is the additive that prompts the restrictions.

It will be worse now. People are sick of this rubbish.
It’s mainly killing people in care homes. Practically no threat of dying if you’re under 70

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Poorside wrote: »

The limit was for exercise and still is, how are people still unaware of this?

No it's not? Is everyone allowed to travel 50km to see a friend. No.

[Deleted User]

ziggyman17 wrote: »

maybe if you did contact Covid then you might think differently about it, thats if you live to tell your story...

14 dead under 45. I’ll take my chances

Level 42

richie_os wrote: »

The distance rules are incredibly unclear. Up til now its been 2km for excercise. Now its 5km then 10km then 20km for "Exercise or a drive"

However in phase 1, you can meet friends or family outdoors. Does this mean I can drive 25km to see my brother and stand in his garden but I can't walk more than 10km? So confusing.

My partner is 16km away. Am I allowed gather with her outdoors or is she too far away? As usual no clarity whatsoever.

not unclear at all :rolleyes:

obviously if friends or family are in the 5k you can meet them

Benimar

richie_os wrote: »

The distance rules are incredibly unclear. Up til now its been 2km for excercise. Now its 5km then 10km then 20km for "Exercise or a drive"

However in phase 1, you can meet friends or family outdoors. Does this mean I can drive 25km to see my brother and stand in his garden but I can't walk more than 10km? So confusing.

My partner is 16km away. Am I allowed gather with her outdoors or is she too far away? As usual no clarity whatsoever.

It’s quite clear. No unnecessary journeys over 5k until June 8th, after that it moves to 20k

redarmy

Simon Harris confirms people may not be able to see their loved ones who live more than 20km away until July

storker

Deleted User wrote: »

Couldn’t give a toss about Covid.

This is the attitude that prompts the restrictions.

ziggyman17

Deleted User wrote: »

Having a caretaker government in power is very scary. FG only got the 3rd most votes in the last election. They might be in opposition for 10 years at least.

Do they care about tanking the economy?

I’m terrified of the economic ruin ahead. Couldn’t give a toss about Covid.

maybe if you did contact Covid then you might think differently about it, thats if you live to tell your story...

Benimar

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Construction sites to open up on the 18th

Is that correct?

Yes

JoeExotic81

Were there any specifics given as to why we're waiting a further 14 days to start this 5 stage plan?