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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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malinheader

political analyst wrote: »

His political career is nearly over. So what has Leo got to close by lifting the restrictions earlier?

How can the health service be overwhelmed when the elderly and those with serious underlying problems are cocooning? I don't see why healthcare unrelated to Covid-19 should have been halted - given that all forms of cancer have higher mortality rates than Covid-19, the symptoms of which are not much different from the flu.

It's not about what he has to lose.
Some people do think of other people as well as themselves.
So you're saying unless you're elderly or have an underlying health issue you won't need to be hospitalized.,I know of 2 cases in my own area under 55 no health issues and needed to be hospitalized. So I still think it was a statement that will please hospital staff.

FintanMcluskey

Arghus wrote: »

Tell me how the economy in Italy has been less restricted than in Ireland for the past three weeks.

Children in Spain couldn't leave their homes until this week.

I've said this twice but I understand what Im dealing with.
3 weeks ago Spain reopened construction and manufacturing.
Thats less restricted by 6 weeks by the time the 18th of May comes. The point about kids is unusual, kids would struggle with diggers I reckon

fly_agaric

facehugger99 wrote: »

As long as we have clappy seals like this with a vote, we're royally fcuked.

Clever.
You want to say "Sheeple", but fear it tends to make those who use it look a bit deranged. :pac:

nj27

Am I right in thinking that if cases spike they can revert to previous stages of the plan, could they also advance more quickly if cases dry up?

Spanish Eyes

facehugger99 wrote: »

As long as we have clappy seals like this with a vote, we're royally fcuked.

Oh grow up FGS, it's only people like you and others on here screaming about the Economy and all your own selfish nonsense that need to be put back in yer box.

No one wants to be shut down like this, least of all me. I want to be free again, course I do, but not at the price of any of my family or those I come in contact with being infected. It is a global pandemic.

Great that the rules have NOT been predicated on the economy, but on people's lives and safety.

I swear to God if things opened up earlier, the usual cohort would be shouting about the Gov only being interested in the economy. No win. So shut up please and just get on with it like everyone else. No one likes it, but it shows maturity when you can do it without complaint for the good of your family, friends and community.

Sorry to have a go at you, it wasn't meant to be personal, just used you as a punch bag. :eek:

Gael23

niallo27 wrote: »

Can you tell me what it was please. You think an extra 3k is good.

Allowing older people out of their homes with with caution.

Kermit.de.frog

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1256286621835632643?s=19

growleaves

nj27 wrote: »

Am I right in thinking that if cases spike they can revert to previous stages of the plan, could they also advance more quickly if cases dry up?

There's been no indication of that, that I've seen or heard anywhere.

FintanMcluskey

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Sorry to have a go at you, it wasn't meant to be personal, just used you as a punch bag. :eek:

Typical of the posters who scream life over economy I imagine

thebaz

malinheader wrote: »

So you're saying unless you're elderly or have an underlying health issue you won't need to be hospitalized.,I know of 2 cases in my own area under 55 no health issues and needed to be hospitalized. So I still think it was a statement that will please hospital staff.

Apparently 60% of people in ICU with Covid in Europe and north America are obese , not getting reported for PC reasons - but it is probably a good indicator why mortality rates are not higher in Developing countrys , ok to hammer smokers, but not discuss this issue in main media.

Pitch n Putt

growleaves wrote: »

There's been no indication of that, that I've seen or heard anywhere.

They will never jump ahead and will jump back in a heartbeat.

Three weeks between phases is absolutely ridiculous.

growleaves

Scratch that nj27, it is the case that NPHET can advance later stages of the plan. From p.5 of the framework document:

The framework is intended to be applied flexibly, so that it would be open to the NPHET, at any point in time, to recommend measures from later phases depending on the prevailing circumstances

Arghus

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I've said this twice but I understand what Im dealing with.
3 weeks ago Spain reopened construction and manufacturing.
Thats less restricted by 6 weeks by the time the 18th of May comes. The point about kids is unusual, kids would struggle with diggers I reckon

Okay, I agree construction sites have been closed in Ireland. But some manufacturing is taking place. I know plenty of people still working in factories and I myself am still working.

I don't agree with your assertion that Spain's economy has been more open for business than Ireland's for the last few weeks.

And in terms of restrictions on daily life, I don't believe that is the case.

You also mentioned Italy. Their economy and social life clearly has been more restricted than Ireland's.

I disagree with you because you are wrong.

Dempo1

Have to say , its a wise decision. Glad to see cocooned citizens can at least get out for a walk etc. I am curious though, Building sites in two weeks? ( How would it be possible to implement social distancing rules here, or whatever protocols are being drawn up. I am also curious about repair shops? what are they referring too? , I am assuming this will NOT include normal retail shops, such as Fashion, Books, Mobile phone shops, Newsagents etc?

SAMTALK

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Thats the issue. Its time for the media loving doctors to be stifled and return to covering up scandals they were better at that.
Its time for the economists to take over

I,d personally stick with doctors for matters of health but each to they,re own

Do you seriously think the government want this ? Do you think they want a recession ?

ChelseaRentBoy

Happy enough with that.

It's up to us all now to beat this virus

Arghus

Why are people saying there's no plan?

growleaves

They will never jump ahead and will jump back in a heartbeat.

I think, in practice, you are probably correct.

It appears they've given themselves permission to do whatever suits them at any given time. According to the framework, they can go to a new phase while holding back some of the parts of that phase.

hmmm

nj27 wrote: »

Am I right in thinking that if cases spike they can revert to previous stages of the plan, could they also advance more quickly if cases dry up?

3 weeks makes sense as it's upto 14 days to show symptoms, then another week to end up in hospital.

By doing it in 3 weeks, and monitoring the numbers, they'll know with reasonable accuracy by monitoring hospital admissions whether there has been a spike.

So to answer your question - unfortunately no. It takes 3 weeks to know whether relaxing the restrictions has led to an increase in cases.

FintanMcluskey

SAMTALK wrote: »

Do you seriously think the government want this ? Do you think they want a recession ?

They couldn't care by the sounds of things. Their livelihoods are completely safe and pensions won't suffer, so from what I see they have chosen the easy option devoid of any form of leadership, and will walk away with the country in total ruins

LiquidZeb

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Typical of the posters who scream life over economy I imagine

Well I suppose he didn't accuse you of just wanting to go to the pub so that's something

thecretinhop

i often wondered about boards people. most are fine but some christ.
are people 12? some of ye are unhinged

let me keep it simple

1. if we did not have lockdown we would have been overwhelmed, be like Italy and have doctors crying trying to figure out which 50 year old lives or dies
the lockdown is to enable icu hospitals etc to cope.

2. we started at 4.6 r, that is appalling, within days we were fkd if that kept going. literally thousands of deaths.
we are now below 1. realistically we need it at .5
why? because of idiots here roaring about being free. we need to have a buffer to protect against a quick rise
3. finally, Varadkar and politicians in general hate hard choices, hes also up till recently be a back bencher.
So why on earth would him and fg not take the populist route open it up etc if it went wrong ah not my fault etc.
they have made hard choices. they have put irish people first.
proud of government and country.
Great to see Irish flags all over the country, its our flag again not sein fein, other yobs etc.

SAMTALK

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

They couldn't care by the sounds of things. Their livelihoods are completely safe and pensions won't suffer, so from what I see they have chosen the easy option devoid of any form of leadership, and will walk away with the country in total ruins

So what would your plan be?

I'm still working and to be honest it's a matter of time before virus hits because we don't have enough proper procedures in place.

The one thing I would like to see is Health and Safety calling to business that are open to check for proper precautions.

Ashleigh1986

Up to this point the " lockdown " was pushed out by every 2 weeks .
The 5 stages are going to be 3 weeks apart .
This is a major mistake .
The 5 stages should be only 2 weeks apart from each other .
This would have meant country reopening on 27 th July .
5 weeks in summertime would mean a huge DIFFERANCE to businesses .

ziggyman17

political analyst wrote: »

His political career is nearly over. So what has Leo got to close by lifting the restrictions earlier?

How can the health service be overwhelmed when the elderly and those with serious underlying problems are cocooning? I don't see why healthcare unrelated to Covid-19 should have been halted - given that all forms of cancer have higher mortality rates than Covid-19, the symptoms of which are not much different from the flu.

Your user name is so unapt.......He has probably achieved more in 3 months than you have in a life time as a keyboard warrior.......Keep up the good work. I love to have a chuckle at posters like yourself when I am feeling down...

setanta1984

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

They will never jump ahead and will jump back in a heartbeat.

Three weeks between phases is absolutely ridiculous.

They really, really should have released and announced that document before that speech.

Those phases, and the steps within them are decent, wouldn't agree with the placement of all of them, but ok.
The problem is the length of time between them - 3 weeks is crazy.

The info in that document could have been relayed in a much more hopeful and encouraging way.
Still feel awful about the length of time, but there IS a plan to get back to pretty much everything being in operation. That is not the impression the speech gave.

Kermit.de.frog

Hairdressers open mid July?

hmmm

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Up to this point the " lockdown " was pushed out by every 2 weeks .
The 5 stages are going to be 3 weeks apart .
This is a major mistake .
The 5 stages should be only 2 weeks apart from each other .
This would have meant country reopening on 27 th July .
5 weeks in summertime would mean a huge DIFFERANCE to businesses .

They can't be two weeks - they have to be at least 3 weeks to know what the cause of any spikes were. 14 days for symptoms to appear, 1 week on top to end up in hospital - that's 3 weeks.

Otherwise if we saw a spike we'd have to roll back 2 phases, not 1.

The timetable is driven by the virus, not the government.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

malinheader wrote: »

He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
Opens up and health services become overwhelmed hes a cnut.
Doesn't open up he is also a cnut.
No winning whatever he was going to suggest.

Pretty much.

ziggyman17

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Up to this point the " lockdown " was pushed out by every 2 weeks .
The 5 stages are going to be 3 weeks apart .
This is a major mistake .
The 5 stages should be only 2 weeks apart from each other .
This would have meant country reopening on 27 th July .
5 weeks in summertime would mean a huge DIFFERANCE to businesses .

Please tell us of your experience and expertise compared to the medical people and the government ?