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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Dempo1

Have to say , its a wise decision. Glad to see cocooned citizens can at least get out for a walk etc. I am curious though, Building sites in two weeks? ( How would it be possible to implement social distancing rules here, or whatever protocols are being drawn up. I am also curious about repair shops? what are they referring too? , I am assuming this will NOT include normal retail shops, such as Fashion, Books, Mobile phone shops, Newsagents etc?

Arghus

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I've said this twice but I understand what Im dealing with.
3 weeks ago Spain reopened construction and manufacturing.
Thats less restricted by 6 weeks by the time the 18th of May comes. The point about kids is unusual, kids would struggle with diggers I reckon

Okay, I agree construction sites have been closed in Ireland. But some manufacturing is taking place. I know plenty of people still working in factories and I myself am still working.

I don't agree with your assertion that Spain's economy has been more open for business than Ireland's for the last few weeks.

And in terms of restrictions on daily life, I don't believe that is the case.

You also mentioned Italy. Their economy and social life clearly has been more restricted than Ireland's.

I disagree with you because you are wrong.

growleaves

Scratch that nj27, it is the case that NPHET can advance later stages of the plan. From p.5 of the framework document:

The framework is intended to be applied flexibly, so that it would be open to the NPHET, at any point in time, to recommend measures from later phases depending on the prevailing circumstances

Pitch n Putt

growleaves wrote: »

There's been no indication of that, that I've seen or heard anywhere.

They will never jump ahead and will jump back in a heartbeat.

Three weeks between phases is absolutely ridiculous.

thebaz

malinheader wrote: »

So you're saying unless you're elderly or have an underlying health issue you won't need to be hospitalized.,I know of 2 cases in my own area under 55 no health issues and needed to be hospitalized. So I still think it was a statement that will please hospital staff.

Apparently 60% of people in ICU with Covid in Europe and north America are obese , not getting reported for PC reasons - but it is probably a good indicator why mortality rates are not higher in Developing countrys , ok to hammer smokers, but not discuss this issue in main media.

FintanMcluskey

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Sorry to have a go at you, it wasn't meant to be personal, just used you as a punch bag. :eek:

Typical of the posters who scream life over economy I imagine

growleaves

nj27 wrote: »

Am I right in thinking that if cases spike they can revert to previous stages of the plan, could they also advance more quickly if cases dry up?

There's been no indication of that, that I've seen or heard anywhere.

Kermit.de.frog

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1256286621835632643?s=19

Gael23

niallo27 wrote: »

Can you tell me what it was please. You think an extra 3k is good.

Allowing older people out of their homes with with caution.

Spanish Eyes

facehugger99 wrote: »

As long as we have clappy seals like this with a vote, we're royally fcuked.

Oh grow up FGS, it's only people like you and others on here screaming about the Economy and all your own selfish nonsense that need to be put back in yer box.

No one wants to be shut down like this, least of all me. I want to be free again, course I do, but not at the price of any of my family or those I come in contact with being infected. It is a global pandemic.

Great that the rules have NOT been predicated on the economy, but on people's lives and safety.

I swear to God if things opened up earlier, the usual cohort would be shouting about the Gov only being interested in the economy. No win. So shut up please and just get on with it like everyone else. No one likes it, but it shows maturity when you can do it without complaint for the good of your family, friends and community.

Sorry to have a go at you, it wasn't meant to be personal, just used you as a punch bag. :eek:

nj27

Am I right in thinking that if cases spike they can revert to previous stages of the plan, could they also advance more quickly if cases dry up?

fly_agaric

facehugger99 wrote: »

As long as we have clappy seals like this with a vote, we're royally fcuked.

Clever.
You want to say "Sheeple", but fear it tends to make those who use it look a bit deranged. :pac:

FintanMcluskey

Arghus wrote: »

Tell me how the economy in Italy has been less restricted than in Ireland for the past three weeks.

Children in Spain couldn't leave their homes until this week.

I've said this twice but I understand what Im dealing with.
3 weeks ago Spain reopened construction and manufacturing.
Thats less restricted by 6 weeks by the time the 18th of May comes. The point about kids is unusual, kids would struggle with diggers I reckon

malinheader

political analyst wrote: »

His political career is nearly over. So what has Leo got to close by lifting the restrictions earlier?

How can the health service be overwhelmed when the elderly and those with serious underlying problems are cocooning? I don't see why healthcare unrelated to Covid-19 should have been halted - given that all forms of cancer have higher mortality rates than Covid-19, the symptoms of which are not much different from the flu.

It's not about what he has to lose.
Some people do think of other people as well as themselves.
So you're saying unless you're elderly or have an underlying health issue you won't need to be hospitalized.,I know of 2 cases in my own area under 55 no health issues and needed to be hospitalized. So I still think it was a statement that will please hospital staff.

igCorcaigh

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1256286621835632643?s=19

JRant

statto25 wrote: »

He was hardly going to go through the 23 pages of rosdmap in that announcement. Just wait for the next day or 2 and the info will come out. He's on the LL tonight so we will know more then

Well, he should have issued a full release before his little 2 minute speech. He spent more time reading off imaginary letters he's received than giving any firm detail.

Arghus

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ah you changed again. The economy is Spain and Italy has been less restricted than Ireland with 3 weeks now, That will be 5 weeks by the time these restrictions are reviewed again. I have no faith in the 18th of May seeing any change due to what has happened this evening

Tell me how the economy in Italy has been less restricted than in Ireland for the past three weeks.

Children in Spain couldn't leave their homes until this week.

PTH2009

Christ this is going to be tough, my place of work will be the later phases but at least we have a plan in place for the whole country to start up again

If were going better than expected will they push up phases ?

LuasSimon

Phase 5 will be starting August 10 - Pubs will be shut until then .
Another 101 days before I’ll have a drink if there’s any pubs left functioning at that stage

facehugger99

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Oh grow up the lot of you moaners.

It will end when it is best for all of us. The Gov don't seem to be too concerned about the economy, right now its seems to me they are more worried about the lives of people, that is good isn't it? I am no FGer at all, but caution is good, and TBH, most people are accepting of the measures.

It is only here where the attic dwellers, the Shinners, the anti establishment groupies hang out that it is awful. It isn't, it is going forward cautiously.

At least if, and it's a big if, things do settle down it will be because the vast vast majority realised that this is for the good of all of us, if it doesn't work out, well it won't be for the want of trying.

As long as we have clappy seals like this with a vote, we're royally fcuked.

token56

johnmc2020 wrote: »

https://t.co/UBX2c5i74V?amp=1 .. the roadmap

Phase 4 or 20th of July before people can travel beyond 20KM. Going to be a long time without getting to see any of my family.

Kermit.de.frog

normanoffside wrote: »

You don’t get the Virus outdoors.

Interesting.

Can you provide a link to the peer reviewed scientific papers that say this is the case?

Poorside

Kobe Colossal Cape wrote: »

Will the 5km limit be completely removed on the 18th? What an unclear statement! Are people going to wait until August to see family/friends that are 40/50km away?

The limit was for exercise and still is, how are people still unaware of this?

FintanMcluskey

SAMTALK wrote: »

You didn't hear the doctor who was interviewed after?

Do you want government to ignore medical advice

Thats the issue. Its time for the media loving doctors to be stifled and return to covering up scandals they were better at that.
Its time for the economists to take over

growleaves

The_Brood wrote: »

Any word on when bookstores will be allowed to reopen?

Small Retail Outlets with Small Number of Staff and Controlled Entry - Phase 2, 8th June

Non-Essential Retail at Street Level - Phase 3, 29th June

Spanish Eyes

Oh grow up the lot of you moaners.

It will end when it is best for all of us. The Gov don't seem to be too concerned about the economy, right now its seems to me they are more worried about the lives of people, that is good isn't it? I am no FGer at all, but caution is good, and TBH, most people are accepting of the measures.

It is only here where the attic dwellers, the Shinners, the anti establishment groupies hang out that it is awful. It isn't, it is going forward cautiously.

At least if, and it's a big if, things do settle down it will be because the vast vast majority realised that this is for the good of all of us, if it doesn't work out, well it won't be for the want of trying.

SAMTALK

facehugger99 wrote: »

A food of businesses will be wound up on Tuesday. They were hanging on by a thread hoping for something tonight.

They've been failed badly by the Government of this country.

A cowardly and self serving response by politicians more concerned with covering their arses than leasing the country.

Sickening to see.

You didn't hear the doctor who was interviewed after?

Do you want government to ignore medical advice

JRant

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Doesn't look great over there either

Depends on where you look. Where I'm looking seems to have it well under control and will be back to normal long before this government even consider it as an after thought

FintanMcluskey

Arghus wrote: »

Wha?

Italy and Spain were stricter than Ireland. We were allowed 2k outside our house!

Ah you changed again. The economy is Spain and Italy has been less restricted than Ireland with 3 weeks now, That will be 5 weeks by the time these restrictions are reviewed again. I have no faith in the 18th of May seeing any change due to what has happened this evening

political analyst

malinheader wrote: »

He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
Opens up and health services become overwhelmed hes a cnut.
Doesn't open up he is also a cnut.
No winning whatever he was going to suggest.
Only way out of this is a vaccine.

His political career is nearly over. So what has Leo got to close by lifting the restrictions earlier?

How can the health service be overwhelmed when the elderly and those with serious underlying problems are cocooning? I don't see why healthcare unrelated to Covid-19 should have been halted - given that all forms of cancer have higher mortality rates than Covid-19, the symptoms of which are not much different from the flu.