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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Arghus

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

They are back to economic life 3 weeks ago. Pubs and restaurants to open by June 1st. How is that anything like Ireland?

If you want pubs and restaurants open again by June 1st you need to get your head examined.

Gael23

setanta1984 wrote: »

The fact that is only your interpretation is the problem. That was a shambolic announcement. He said outdoor workers and some DIY shops will open then. Then 3 weeks before anything else happens, is what he said.

The fact that it is open to interpretation, shows what a mess that was.

And what would your friend Mary Lou have done better?

easypazz

Deleted User wrote: »

Over 90% of people of deaths are in the over 65 category. And we’ve just told them to go out.

While nothing else changes.

Absolute joke. Minor lifting of things in 2 weeks and than another 3 weeks.

Yeah I got that.

But they have form spreading into the nursing homes themselves.

richie_os

He said something about meeting in small groups after the 18th? But it was very quick and he moved on swiftly. Can anyone shed any light on this?

growleaves

Arghus wrote: »

Without lockdowns a death toll in the low millions at this stage worldwide would have been quite possible.

Only in the sense that "anything is possible".

In the final accounting, you'll need to explain why countries with no lockdown, or only a lacklustre lockdown, don't have the hundreds of thousands of deaths which are supposed to be their share in these millions of deaths.

You pulled this ludicrously high figure of 400 million out of your bum the last day and claimed that everyone arguing in favour of lockdowns was claiming there would be that many dead.

I'm still waiting for some news source that has a government figure or policy maker quoting this figure to justify the lockdown.

You're another person who hasn't even glanced at the mainstream epidemiological models related to this. Here you are:

Report 9: Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) to reduce COVID-19 mortality and healthcare demand

Imperial College's model originally predicted 670 per 100,000 would die of coronavirus. This was used to justify the lockdown in the UK and formed a big part of the global panic.

The Spanish flu killed 637 per 100,000 and the death toll was circa 50 million globally. With today's increased population that would be circa 400 million.

Now here's a question for you:

Why do I even need to tell you this?

Don't you know the original numbers from Imperial College's model and the Fauci-Brix model? Don't you also know the revised numbers from subsequent news reports?

I thought people were following on a daily basis - yet they lack basic facts. Its all like some bad dream.

JTMan

A little bit of detail via The Irish Times ...

On the 8th of June, cocooners may be advised that they can shop again and larger funerals are expected to be allowed. At this time people will be allowed to meet with four others who are not from their own family, indoor or outdoors. Marts are also expected to reopen.

On the 29 of June, playgrounds, cafes and restaurants may reopen. On the 20 July, hairdressers and swimming pools may reopen, one source said.

On the 10 August, theatres may reopen.

setanta1984

Arghus wrote: »

No they haven't. They're doing exactly the same as us. Putting forth a timetable of step by step decreases if safe to do so over time. They aren't going back to normal life any quicker than us. And let's not forget their lockdowns were much longer and stricter than ours.

Yes they are. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52459034 and https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52435273. Dates, with exactly what they hope to have in place.

appledrop

When I first starting listening + lockdown continued I thought I would crack up.

However when heard we can now go 5km from home + over 70s allowed out I'm actually happy. It's a start. It will make a huge difference to our family.

We can now go back to two amazing parks which are actually much safer for social distancing than walking in built up areas on narrow footpaths like we have been doing for 5 weeks.

My parents can now also go outside.

We are not there yet but it's a start.

thebaz

our Nanny state becomes a basket case - An oncoming recession to end all recessions and push many over the edge - me included - lost all my work, still have to pay my ****ing rent - **** this place.

Pretzill

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No the lockdown is a completely knee jerk reaction to a virus that appears to be less deadly the more we learn about it. The restrictions however

Almost a quarter of a million people have died across the world - how deadly do you want it to get?

GCIREL

I hope more details on the late late tonight. I wish he'd say if you can successfully work from home please do so until X date. Give us some clue and everyone else who can't and therefore in a worse position will be back by X date (unless **** hits the fan even more)

setanta1984

Gael23 wrote: »

My interpretation is that on May 18th we get more detail in the next phase

The fact that is only your interpretation is the problem. That was a shambolic announcement. He said outdoor workers and some DIY shops will open then. Then 3 weeks before anything else happens, is what he said.

The fact that it is open to interpretation, shows what a mess that was.

_Kaiser_

the kelt wrote: »

18th May.

So be it.

At least some dates have been given, at least a plan of some description.

Let’s see what 18th May brings.

Another extension.. with a week of kite-flying in the media beforehand.

Almost 3 more weeks of this is nonsense, and 2km changing to 5km is likely pointless for anyone outside of a big town or city.

robbiezero

Stark wrote: »

Still no clarity for those of us with family outside the travel restriction boundary.

Make your own clarity. Just keep to the social distancing and the hygiene instructions.

Zillah

Stark wrote: »

Still no clarity for those of us with family outside the travel restriction boundary.

You're not supposed to be visiting people even if they're across the road from you.

FintanMcluskey

Arghus wrote: »

No they haven't. They're doing exactly the same as us. Putting forth a timetable of step by step decreases if safe to do so over time. They aren't going back to normal life any quicker than us. And let's not forget their lockdowns were much longer and stricter than ours.

They are back to economic life 3 weeks ago. Pubs and restaurants to open by June 1st. How is that anything like Ireland?

niallo27

Gael23 wrote: »

My interpretation is that on May 18th we get more detail in the next phase

So they are making it up as they go along.

helimachoptor

Did he say anything about meeting friends from the 18th? I wasn't watching but my wife said she heard it

Xaniaj

Gael23 wrote: »

My interpretation is that on May 18th we get more detail in the next phase

So you had to interpret this 'clear' plan? It's BS, all of Europe is essentially opening back up and we can't even be provided details of their 5 phase plan.

[Deleted User]

Over 90% of people of deaths are in the over 65 category. And we’ve just told them to go out.

While nothing else changes.

Absolute joke. Minor lifting of things in 2 weeks and than another 3 weeks.

Arghus

setanta1984 wrote: »

This is an absolute disgrace. Nothing until 18th May, even then only some outside work and DIY shops, so another 3 weeks after that before anything meaningful. And this gives no confidence anything will even happen then. They still have no clue when to do anything.

Spain, France, Italy, the worst hit countries say their new normal will be in place by June. We haven't a clue.

We're still completely in the dark. I feel sick.

No they haven't. They're doing exactly the same as us. Putting forth a timetable of step by step decreases if safe to do so over time. They aren't going back to normal life any quicker than us. And let's not forget their lockdowns were much longer and stricter than ours.

the kelt

18th May.

So be it.

At least some dates have been given, at least a plan of some description.

Let’s see what 18th May brings.

ChikiChiki

As frustrating as it is to be so restricted, its a solid decision to extend by 2 weeks and then slowly ease back to normality.

I do not think the loosening at this current point in time will ultimately go well as we are beginning to see in Germany.

FintanMcluskey

retro:electro wrote: »

What was clear about that “plan” exactly? We don’t even know what each stage involves.

Ill tell you whats clear electro, on the build up to the 18th of May sound bites will be released along the lines of we arent quiet where we need to be regarding testing. So on and so on until the money runs out

Gael23

setanta1984 wrote: »

There was absolutely nothing clear about that.

Look at the plans released by basically every other European country for clarity. No dates for anything bar outside workers on May 18th (if we're lucky)

No provisional dates given for anything else.

My interpretation is that on May 18th we get more detail in the next phase

JRant

setanta1984 wrote: »

This is an absolute disgrace. Nothing until 18th May, even then only some outside work and DIY shops, so another 3 weeks after that before anything meaningful. And this gives no confidence anything will even happen then. They still have no clue when to do anything.

Spain, France, Italy, the worst hit countries say their new normal will be in place by June. We haven't a clue.

We're still completely in the dark. I feel sick.

It's worse than that, we are a minimum of 5 weeks for anything other than construction to be opened up.

Thelonious Monk

JRant wrote: »

They need to form an actual government between now and the 18th and put an end to this madness. Bloody hell, I might have to seriously think about relocation at this rate. Another 18 weeks minimum of this.

Now he ****tïng on about imaginary letters he received. Reminds me of "Two pints" Kenny in his pomp.

Where are you going to go?

niallo27

Gael23 wrote: »

I’m happy with that. A clear plan with a little bit of give immediately

Can you tell me what it was please. You think an extra 3k is good.

stephenjmcd

So all going well everything is open by 10th August

0gac3yjefb5sv7

So on the 18th, can we travel anywhere yeah? No mention of it. Or of the other 5 stages. What a terrible announcement.