drunkmonkey wrote: » You heard nothing about meat factorys either until I said it yesterday, I'm out and about so can see what's happening.
KrustyUCC wrote: » So according to most papers today NPHET meets this morning and will give recommendations to Simon Harris Cabinet meeting at three Extension of restrictions by 2 or 3 weeks to be announced by Leo at 6 Tony Holohan wants 3 weeks so he will get it bringing us up to 8 weeks of full lockdown without the lifting or tweaking of a single restriction Leo will tell us that we're doing so so well, flattening the curve, reducing the number of people in hospital, reducing number of people in ICU, keeping the R0 below 1, saving 3500 lives but it's not good enough Little will be mentioned of the mess in nursing homes etc and lack of testing capacity in the HSE Then Leo will go on the Late Late for a love in with Tubridy outlining his roadmap which won't outline what is good enough anyway It will be as vague as possible and have phases that are 3 weeks apart and more than likely some a month apart extending restrictions for months on end Depressing day ahead
tobefrank321 wrote: » And the alternative is? Sacrifice our economy for years to come for an illness whose impact is slight for 90% of the population, at least. Yes that makes sense.
stephenjmcd wrote: » Haven't heard anything about the gardai having issues, I do know they're working in the same pairs since the start of this. Drew Harris did mention on Wednesday that the current policing level is not sustainable for much longer
Gael23 wrote: » Problem in what sense?
drunkmonkey wrote: » Starting to sound like the guards might have a problem now as well, no great surprise as there all piling around in cars stopping us from traveling.
gozunda wrote: » I never mentioned Boris. You did many many times. So yes it looks like you look to him for inspiration as you said "not even Borris..." etc etc. And btw I was replying to those who dont believe in any restrictions - of whom there are many on this thread apparently. And again this is a worldwide pandemic. It's not just the HSE or Ireland. And incorrect again - no I did not say it was "great". I said it was a 'good analogy" And that stands. For as long as we have people here suggesting that older people are "on borrowed time" and by implication expendable and that its all a big conspiracy to place young people on house arrest or wtte - then we are most certainly dealing with historic levels of stupidity. If it takes using simple analogies to point out just how daft these comnents are. Then so be it.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Due to the problems with the slowness of Boards.ie in the last 48 hours I’ve stopped commenting here and indeed reading except for the last 2 pages. I’ve also stopped commenting due to the abusive nature of some posters. I’ll just say the following: If this lockdown continues after Monday I’ll be living my life as I see fit myself. I live alone. I’ve been on my own and seen nobody since 2nd week in March apart from 4 days work which has ended. I’m no longer going to stick to 2KM exercise. I’ve bought a tent and will travel further for a few trips. Harvey Norman are delivering a new washing machine tomorrow. Water filtration company are coming to service my system on Tuesday I has all my windows washed by a local company yesterday. The country is silently and slowly getting back to some activity even in a small way. I applaud that. For every keyboard warrior here shouting down people who are questioning these lockdowns, there are many of us now who are silently planning on getting back to some kind of (new) normal! They’re just not on Boards.
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gozunda wrote: » A good analogy. There are those repetively pushing the dictate that 'we have to live with disease' or wtte, that only those living on "borrowed time" will die and that the economy is the most important thing yada yada yada Not disimilar to those who argued for Frances capitulation to Germany during ww2. The same who supported that living with the enemy was the only solution, that only certain people including Jewish citizens and those deemed unfit would die and this will save the economy. Yeah that worked lads. I never thought I'd see the day that Ireland was populated by similar surrender monkey types. But I suppose it not that surprising tbh. The same seem to exist in all societies. Things evidently dont change.
So.. the lockdown has done nothing? Are you genuinely posting that?
growleaves wrote: » Mathemathical scientists know that even random (accidental, undirected) errors multiply very rapidly. Models which resulted in wrong predictions about numbers of cases cannot be used to say that x number of lives were saved.
growleaves wrote: » Ah but on March 27th Leo Varadkar warned of "Roughly 30% increase in cases every day. That is inevitable. It cannot be stopped."It was against these projected increases that the lockdown was instituted - and the numbers are lower than these. Also the numbers are highly concentrated within localised clusters (nursing homes) as has been said many times before but it bears repeating.
stephenjmcd wrote: » Haven't been able to post in a while because boards is crawling and impossible to log in at times, but this post hits the nail on the head. Nobody is saying lift everything straight away, that's just crazy, people want a step by step reopening, now I know we'll get the "plan" this evening but by all accounts it's a plan with no dates assigned to it, not exactly giving confidence to business. Other European countries are way ahead of us now. Others could be back to a resemblance of normal life in July and we'll probably still only have limited places open. Its becoming more and more of a trade off with public health and the economy. CMO said yesterday they were worried about people making decisions ahead of them, like people did when taking the decision to close businesses before being recommended. Sorry but that horse has bolted, most have already decided to reopen and how to operate their businesses. We were asked to flatten the curve and give the HSE time to get their house in order, we flattened it but testing, tracing etc still an absolute mess, that's not the fault of the general public.
Pitch n Putt wrote: » Ok fair enough so we will just pull down the blinds and close the whole country while we wait for the magic vaccine that may never appear. It’s fairly simple. The virus is here and not going anywhere. We have to move on. The healthy have to be allowed to LIVE and the vulnerable have to protect themselves and be protected Nobody here is on about sacrificing these people but we have to progress before there’s nothing left to move on with. And that day is fast approaching with this constant extending of the so called lockdown.
the kelt wrote: » No you misunderstood, you and the other poster were the ones extolling the borisesque it’s a war analogy, remember how you said it was a good analogy?? Remember?So it’s actually you and the other poster obviously getting your cue from Boris and his ilk seeing as you said it was a good analogy. Remember you said it was a good analogy?? It’s earlier this morning, a few posts ago, you said it was good. don’t believe in not trying to control the rate of infection at all, I believe restrictions are necessary but I also do not have trust in the HSE that they are handling this well, the same HSE that were in the last election trumped us as being a failure by the vast majority. But it’s not a war, even though remember you said that analogy was great, it’s something we actually have to learn to live with whether you want to accept that or not, it’s a fact. Every life that can be saved should be but there is more than Coronavirus killing people and the lasting affect of this will also be killed by other things other than Coronavirus, that’s the balance.
JoeExotic81 wrote: » As bad and lick arse like rte have been with the government through this, it was nice to see some guest on primetime challenge the gombeen auto reply TD that was rolled out with the new "we've saved 3,500 lives with this lockdown" nonsense tagline they're using. He pointed out you can't make statements like that when you don't yet know the cost of these measures in relation to deaths down the line.
ixoy wrote: » Most people want to reduce/alter the restrictions, not remove them in a manner that should prevent the health service being overwhelmed and yet also begin to rebuilt a semblance of normality. Like other countries are doing.
drunkmonkey wrote: » https://m.independent.ie/business/farming/agri-business/agri-food/concern-meat-plants-could-emerge-as-next-covid-blackspots-as-one-closes-and-others-understood-to-have-clusters-39172747.html We'll all be vegetarian shortly Yesterday, the Minister for Agriculture confirmed in the Dail that his Department is aware of six clusters, five in processing plants and one in a deboning plant.
seamus wrote: » Interesting. I'm not sure how much stock I'd put in the claim that there are hundreds of cases in one plant. But overall it certainly seems to be an issue. Why meat processing and not other forms of manufacturing? Is it to do with the proximity of staff? The fact that they're handling raw meat? Or is there a general lack of adherence to hygiene guidelines?
growleaves wrote: » Ah but on March 27th Leo Varadkar warned of "Roughly 30% increase in cases every day. That is inevitable. It cannot be stopped." It was against these projected increases that the lockdown was instituted - and the numbers are lower than these. Also the numbers are highly concentrated within localised clusters (nursing homes) as has been said many times before but it bears repeating.
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