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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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alwald

easypazz wrote: »

It is noticeable how there are fewer members of the "its not a lockdown" political party posting on here each passing day.

Most people realise now that this is a crock of sh1t and have had enough of these measures.

The tide is turning fast.

I sense some bitterness in your post now that you realise that your predictions of May 5th, the "big day", aren't materialising.

munsterlegend

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It says a lot about people when that are praising Ivan Yeates. People have short memories.

Ok so if somebody does something wrong /makes bad decisions anything they do after that must also be damned? Must be some view from your ivory tower. We won’t even mention your past tasteless comments on this forum.

Seanachai

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'll say one thing about the medical handling of this, I'm pretty sure there's only 2 genders now they've stopped reporting the unknown genders, this can only be good for the youth of the country.

This thing could be the death knell of wokeness, people just won't have the patience for all that noise when they're trying to rebuild their lives.

easypazz

gozunda wrote: »

Truth hurts obviously

Its not truth its drivel. Like this bit

And reading the accounts of posters on this thread and elsewhere who have detailed their experiences - the illness is no joke

I mean seriously, what sort of analysis is that?

easypazz

alwald wrote: »

I sense some bitterness in your post now that you realise that your predictions of May 5th, the "big day", aren't materialising.

Roadmap being announced today AFAIK. Nothing has changed really.

Public sentiment will ensure we see progress with it.

begbysback

People are not designed to have their freedom restricted. If a member of society breaks the law then what is the worse thing we can do to them? Restrict their freedom. There are seriously violent convicted criminals in jails around this island at the moment, and they have more freedom than us.

House arrest must be removed this weekend.

Discodog

Stark wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/1255957627110031371?s=09

Mr Harris said that a similar garda presence would be in place for the May bank holiday weekend.

He said that there was a time limit on how long the current high level of garda monitoring could continue.

"We can't keep going at this operational tempo, which began around the 16th of March, indefinitely, or indeed, for very much longer," he said.

easypazz

Discodog wrote: »

Mr Harris said that a similar garda presence would be in place for the May bank holiday weekend.

He said that there was a time limit on how long the current high level of garda monitoring could continue.

"We can't keep going at this operational tempo, which began around the 16th of March, indefinitely, or indeed, for very much longer," he said.

Lockdown will be lifted in all but name after this weekend.

munsterlegend

easypazz wrote: »

Lockdown will be lifted in all but name after this weekend.

And if you keep saying the same thing repeatedly it will happen? nothing will majorly change for a number of weeks maybe months. That’s reality.

gozunda

Longing wrote: »

Good job Ireland is going to War anytime soon. Physical I mean. Because reading comments here about lifting restrictions is like people running to the enemy with your arms open to Covid 19. We are at War against invisible enemy so far 20,612 casualties and 1,232 deaths in two months.
In the last number of weeks we have brought up the heavy artillery (Restrictions) and its working. So why would you lift restrictions for the enemy to regroup and counter attack.

A good analogy. There are those repetively pushing the dictate that 'we have to live with disease' or wtte, that only those living on "borrowed time" will die and that the economy is the most important thing yada yada yada

Not disimilar to those who argued for Frances capitulation to Germany during ww2. The same who supported that living with the enemy was the only solution, that only certain people including Jewish citizens and those deemed unfit would die and this will save the economy.

Yeah that worked lads. I never thought I'd see the day that Ireland was populated by similar surrender monkey types. But I suppose it not that surprising tbh. The same seem to exist in all societies. Things evidently dont change.

begbysback

munsterlegend wrote: »

And if you keep saying the same thing repeatedly it will happen? nothing will majorly change for a number of weeks maybe months. That’s reality.

The reality is that this is a public compliant lockdown, so it ends when the public says so, and it doesn’t need a majority rule either.

Mr. teddywinkles

Seanachai wrote: »

This thing could be the death knell of wokeness, people just won't have the patience for all that noise when they're trying to rebuild their lives.

If it didn't happen after the financial crash it ain't going to happen. Too many idiots.

Penfailed

begbysback wrote: »

People are not designed to have their freedom restricted. If a member of society breaks the law then what is the worse thing we can do to them? Restrict their freedom. There are seriously violent convicted criminals in jails around this island at the moment, and they have more freedom than us.

House arrest must be removed this weekend.

For real?! I think you are wrong. Very wrong.

facehugger99

gozunda wrote: »

Not disimilar to those who argued for Frances capitulation to Germany during ww2.

Yep, it's literally the exact same thing.

gozunda

easypazz wrote: »

Its not truth its drivel. Like this bit

And reading the accounts of posters on this thread and elsewhere who have detailed their experiences - the illness is no joke
I mean seriously, what sort of analysis is that?

'You mean' do you? lol.

You were given the detailed stats and yup you chose to ignore them. I see you also chose to ignore the reality of peoples experience of the disease as well. I'm sure there is a special class for that type of attitude. Somewhere...

lawrencesummers

munsterlegend wrote: »

Ok so if somebody does something wrong /makes bad decisions anything they do after that must also be damned? Must be some view from your ivory tower. We won’t even mention your past tasteless comments on this forum.

If you find the truth distasteful that’s your problem.

rovers_runner

marno21 wrote: »

Re: death rate in under 45s.

2 deaths in 15-24 category, 3 deaths in 25-34 and 9 deaths in 35-44 year olds. 14 deaths in total from a total of ~8k cases. I'd also be willing to bet that many cases in these categories were sufficiently mild to not warrant testing or be asymptomatic.

I'd bet that if under 45s with no underlying conditions are at negligible risk. Having them under house arrest is ridiculous when you look at the figures that Dan O'Brien is pointing out, which he is spot on.

Source: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19%20Epidemiology%20report%20for%20NPHET%2020200429_website.pdf

Not to be flippant but I wonder how many people of the age bracket 15-44 died of the following causes in that period:

- Road traffic accidents
- Suicide
- Cancer
- Other LTI associated deaths

rusty the athlete

gozunda wrote: »

Do you always write such complete and utter rubbish?

Yes.

lawrencesummers

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

While I agree with your point to an extent, this is no different to any wealthy people using loopholes to limit the tax they pay, or companies setting up effectively mailboxes here for the same purposes, or multinationals routing profits to where they pay the least.

Distasteful maybe, but perfectly legal - and in the latter cases they provide thousands of jobs we absolutely depend on.

The difference is that none of those you have listed are pontificating to us on the national airwaves.

The same people who will complain about U2 paying tax in Holland, or Denis obrien not paying his tax here seem to forget that particular stance when it comes to Ivan.

_Kaiser_

gozunda wrote: »

A good analogy. There are those repetively pushing the dictate that 'we have to live with disease' or wtte, that only those living on "borrowed time" will die and that the economy is the most important thing yada yada yada

Not disimilar to those who argued for Frances capitulation to Germany during ww2. The same who supported that living with the enemy was the only solution, that only certain people including Jewish citizens and those deemed unfit would die and this will save the economy.

Yeah that worked lads. I never thought I'd see the day that Ireland was populated by similar surrender monkey types. But I suppose it not that surprising tbh. The same seem to exist in all societies. Things evidently dont change.

It's only 9:20 as I type this (the slllooooowwww performance of the site will not reflect that

) but this is already a contender for "Bizarre post of the day" - WW2, Nazi's, genocide and surrender monkeys - all in the one post! :rolleyes:

I see we need another dose of facts to counter the hysteria:

- The virus is going nowhere for the forseeable. We have to adapt to this reality and live alongside it
- Most people won't suffer any lasting effects and may not realise they even had it
- We can protect the vulnerable without sacrificing the (mental) health of others
- We've already hit the objectives of the lockdown: get people's attention [check], give the health service time to ramp up [check], reduce the spread [check]. Further lockdown now mean we move from damage control into collateral damage
- We cannot maintain current levels of (welfare) expenditure indefinitely with a collapsing economy

.. and those are just the headline points. There's many more that have been made on this thread without resorting to hyperbole and name-calling like the above post.

No-one is suggesting a return to normality overnight. No one is saying we should just let the elderly/vulnerable die - but there IS (like it or not) more than just immediate medical concerns to consider here and those concerns are just as important for the health of not just the country, but EVERY citizen in it.

begbysback

gozunda wrote: »

A good analogy. There are those repetively pushing the dictate that 'we have to live with disease' or wtte, that only those living on "borrowed time" will die and that the economy is the most important thing yada yada yada

Not disimilar to those who argued for Frances capitulation to Germany during ww2. The same who supported that living with the enemy was the only solution, that only certain people including Jewish citizens and those deemed unfit would die and this will save the economy.

Yeah that worked lads. I never thought I'd see the day that Ireland was populated by similar surrender monkey types. But I suppose it not that surprising tbh. The same seem to exist in all societies. Things evidently dont change.

War is actually a terrible analogy, wars are usually fought to protect liberty, people give up their lives so others can have freedom.

If people break the law in this country do we send them off to war, no, we restrict their freedom.

If there’s a war then fair enough, give me a gun and tell me where the bad guy is. The paradox here is that a lot of us now feel like we are the bad guys.

timmy_mallet

gozunda wrote: »

A good analogy. There are those repetively pushing the dictate that 'we have to live with disease' or wtte, that only those living on "borrowed time" will die and that the economy is the most important thing yada yada yada

Not disimilar to those who argued for Frances capitulation to Germany during ww2. The same who supported that living with the enemy was the only solution, that only certain people including Jewish citizens and those deemed unfit would die and this will save the economy.

Yeah that worked lads. I never thought I'd see the day that Ireland was populated by similar surrender monkey types. But I suppose it not that surprising tbh. The same seem to exist in all societies. Things evidently dont change.

Haha! What utter baloney.

SNNUS

Longing wrote: »

Good job Ireland is going to War anytime soon. Physical I mean. Because reading comments here about lifting restrictions is like people running to the enemy with your arms open to Covid 19. We are at War against invisible enemy so far 20,612 casualties and 1,232 deaths in two months.
In the last number of weeks we have brought up the heavy artillery (Restrictions) and its working. So why would you lift restrictions for the enemy to regroup and counter attack.

We are at War against invisible enemy so far 20,612 casualties and 1,232 deaths

So that's over 21'000 deaths? I don't think so. It's not a war so no need for the crude analogy

You either learn to live with the virus or stay in until the miracle cure.

seamus

munsterlegend wrote: »

And if you keep saying the same thing repeatedly it will happen? nothing will majorly change for a number of weeks maybe months. That’s reality.

He's making the observation that if it's business as usual with nothing offered by the government, then people will just start ignoring the restrictions.

They already are. Lots more people out chatting to mates, gathering in groups in parks. I went shopping last night and the place was filled with couples out shopping, and I had to squeeze past 3 separate groups of people who had stopped for a natter in the aisle.
This is a big change from what I'd experienced for the last 5 weeks, where practically everyone was shopping on their own, and most people making some effort to make space.

People need a boost. A reason to refocus and hold the line for another couple of weeks, if that's the plan. "People will die" isn't enough. "You will die" is't either. It was never an effective message against drink-driving or against smoking either.

munsterlegend

Penfailed wrote: »

For real?! I think you are wrong. Very wrong.

I went for a walk down the park yesterday and went to the local supermarket. I also put some fuel in the car. I met convicted criminals (they had a badge) everywhere I went.

easypazz

facehugger99 wrote: »

Yep, it's literally the exact same thing.

Its funny really, the nonsense he comes out with. All you can do is laugh.

munsterlegend

lawrencesummers wrote: »

If you find the truth distasteful that’s your problem.

I have no problem with the truth just your senseless musings.

the kelt

gozunda wrote: »

A good analogy. There are those repetively pushing the dictate that 'we have to live with disease' or wtte, that only those living on "borrowed time" will die and that the economy is the most important thing yada yada yada

Not disimilar to those who argued for Frances capitulation to Germany during ww2. The same who supported that living with the enemy was the only solution, that only certain people including Jewish citizens and those deemed unfit would die and this will save the economy.

Yeah that worked lads. I never thought I'd see the day that Ireland was populated by similar surrender monkey types. But I suppose it not that surprising tbh. The same seem to exist in all societies. Things evidently dont change.

No offence lads but the war analogy is probably the stupidest one of the whole lot, even the loony Boris Johnson devotees in the uk have stopped referencing it cos well it’s ridiculous.

It’s not a war, you can’t defeat it and they go home, it’s all over let’s have a victory parade. We are going to have to live with it, that’s a fact. Unless they have miraculously developed a vaccine overnight.

It’s how we live with it that’s the issue, treating this like a war that you fight against or surrender to is the kind of loony brexit type rhetoric i taught we would t see here in all honesty.

In regards to a physical war, to be quite honest the idea of this country going to war whilst being effectively run by an incompetent HSE and the others terrifies me.

Here’s one on the whole war, call to arms analogy, according to the Indo this morning 73,000 health staff applied to answer the call for the country yet to date 54 have taken up their posts, it’s like having an army ready to help yet complete incompetence means they haven’t it seems.

gozunda

rovers_runner wrote: »

Not to be flippant but I wonder how many people of the age bracket 15-44 died of the following causes in that period:

- Road traffic accidents
- Suicide
- Cancer
- Other LTI associated deaths

More monkey wrenching eh?

You realise that this simply cannot be boiled down to who in self selected picked groups is dying and who is not - of I'm alright Jack.

The reason for restrictions is to lower the infection rate and stop the health services being overwhelmed. This is the solution been employed worldwide by many countries - not just Ireland as a means of controlling the disease. Anyone including young people can spread the disease to others including those with long term illnesses - and yes that includes younger people.

But sure lets look at the desth rate of just one cohort because well fuk everyone else right?

begbysback

Penfailed wrote: »

For real?! I think you are wrong. Very wrong.

I’d be very surprised if they were limited to 30 mins exercise per day.