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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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GreenandRed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

This is the exact opposite of whats actually happening.

Do you listen to his show at all?

Penfailed

easypazz wrote: »

Cool rant.

Well measured, thought out and coherent response.

lawrencesummers

It says a lot about people when that are praising Ivan Yeates. People have short memories.

lord quackinton

JoeA3 wrote: »

I thought Dan O’Brien on with Ivan Yates tonight was excellent. Very scary, but excellent. He got his very clear message across in a clear calm manner, he didn’t engage in any point scoring, just told it how it is. Very very sobering. He asked - which event in the early part of the last century did more damage? The Spanish flu? Or the Great Depression a decade later?

I wish to God that there were more voices like O’Brien’s in Leo’s ear.

It was interesting to hear Ivan also say that he feels like a lone voice out there among his media colleagues. He is completely shut down and vilified by most of his own media peers when he challenges the status quo.

Meanwhile over on RTE’s Prime Time, FG had sent in some nobody from their backbenches. Utterly pointless, they may as well have sent in an empty suit. Nothing to say other than spout rehearsed cliches. It’s absolutely infuriating. And nobody on RTE challenges it. They can sing for their licence fee

dan o'brien is not making stuff up. i actually have met him a couple of times through work events, i dont know him personally and not trying to say i do, but he is very measured and deals in facts and is not like say mcwilliams who is a showman.

what is coming will be brutal and i have spoken to our own bank manager who informed me many businesses have been in touch with him to say they are not reopening and to get their affairs in order. We would be very good clients of our bank and that is why he told me, he would not give me names but was giving me a heads up.

i asked him about mortgages and he told me they are not even giving out car loans. they are advertising as if business as usual but its not and never will be again.
he expects huge layoffs in the bank and bank branch closures.

but it is very hard to explain this to many people, some dont want to know ignorance is bliss and some see this crisis as one big holiday.

[Deleted User]

The chances of dying from this if you are under 45 is 0.1%, which will probably drop way lower if more testing had been done.

prunudo

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It says a lot about people when that are praising Ivan Yeates. People have short memories.

So because he's a former businessman, who lost his businesses during the banking crisis, he's not allowed voice a critical view on the current handling of the situation. Maybe he knows first hand the financial ruin that many people are facing whether they know it now or not.

JayRoc

Stark wrote: »

Afraid so. If only they were as enthusiastic about catching criminals.

Enthusiasm is one thing, but when a garda can't get his head around the most basic concept regarding the lockdown rules it's not a good look. Even worse that the AGS twitter account reinforced the mistake by putting up this tweet.

lawrencesummers

prunudo wrote: »

So because he's a former businessman, who lost his businesses during the banking crisis, he's not allowed voice a critical view on the current handling of the situation. Maybe he knows first hand the financial ruin that many people are facing whether they know it now or not.

Yeates has never been in financial ruin. His failed business was a victim of over expansion, bad management and the financial downturn. He left many employees in the lurch and circumvented the laws of the land by declaring bankruptcy in the UK. Through all of this he has been able to live high on the hog with a state pension north of 70k.

He is a hypocrite and an ignorant bluffer of a presenter.

lord quackinton

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Yeates has never been in financial ruin. His failed business was a victim of over expansion, bad management and the financial downturn. He left many employees in the lurch and circumvented the laws of the land by declaring bankruptcy in the UK. Through all of this he has been able to live high on the hog with a state pension north of 70k.

He is a hypocrite and an ignorant bluffer of a presenter.

two things
1. ivan yates did nothing illegal in his uk option
2. no company or individual owes anyone else a living. i know this especially is confusing for unions and public sector employees to grasp.

Penfailed

lord quackinton wrote: »

two things
1. ivan yates did nothing illegal in his uk option
2. no company or individual owes anyone else a living. i know this especially is confusing for unions and public sector employees to grasp.

Two things -

1. The previous poster didn't say it was illegal;
2. The previous poster didn't say anyone owed anyone else a living.

FintanMcluskey

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It says a lot about people when that are praising Ivan Yeates. People have short memories.

We handed total control of our movement to a doctor who covered up a scandal that left young kids without mothers.
Ill give Ivan a listen

SNNUS

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It says a lot about people when that are praising Ivan Yeates. People have short memories.

We are praising people who are not afraid to ask questions , If you put all your trust into the government maybe you should question your memory?

You can see people trying to restrict free speech now and blindly accept anything said by the medics who are in charge now .Balanced debate is always good.

lawrencesummers

lord quackinton wrote: »

two things
1. ivan yates did nothing illegal in his uk option
2. no company or individual owes anyone else a living. i know this especially is confusing for unions and public sector employees to grasp.

Two things.
I never said he did anything illegal.

And companies do owe people, the owe them to fulfill the terms of their contract. I’m neither a union or a public sector worker, so take your attempt of making this a public vs private debate elsewhere.

lawrencesummers

lord quackinton wrote: »

two things
1. ivan yates did nothing illegal in his uk option
2. no company or individual owes anyone else a living. i know this especially is confusing for unions and public sector employees to grasp.

rusty the athlete

I suppose the ridiculous house arrest of fit and healthy over 70s has to be rescinded this afternoon as most fit and healthy over 70s I know have been treating the measure with the contempt it deserves by totally ignoring it. The only beneficiaries will be those that blindly followed the advice of so called "experts" and who can now repair some of the psychological and physical damage they have needlessly done to themselves over the last five weeks.

_Kaiser_

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

We handed total control of our movement to a doctor who covered up a scandal that left young kids without mothers.
Ill give Ivan a listen

It seems that support for our new medical overlord may be waning. From the IT

Numerous Ministers pressed for restrictions on those over 70 to be eased. Dr Holohan said it was up to Government to make decisions, with Ministers privately acknowledging they may have to diverge from medical advice at some point.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coronavirus-people-may-be-asked-to-stay-at-home-while-cocooners-are-out-under-new-plan-1.4242321

lord quackinton

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Two things.
I never said he did anything illegal.

And companies do owe people, the owe them to fulfill the terms of their contract. I’m neither a union or a public sector worker, so take your attempt of making this a public vs private debate elsewhere.

you posted a very negative image of yates.
circumventing the law and leaving employees in the lurch were your words.
circumvent implies deceit and his employees were paid a wage for their labour and they have no entitlement in their contract for a job for life. business went bust and with that any entitlement to redundancy is in the lap of the receiver.

easypazz

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Two things.
I never said he did anything illegal.

So what is your grievance with him then regarding UK bankruptcy, if he has done nothing wrong?

gozunda

easypazz wrote: »

Cool rant.

Truth hurts obviously

prunudo

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Yeates has never been in financial ruin. His failed business was a victim of over expansion, bad management and the financial downturn. He left many employees in the lurch and circumvented the laws of the land by declaring bankruptcy in the UK. Through all of this he has been able to live high on the hog with a state pension north of 70k.

He is a hypocrite and an ignorant bluffer of a presenter.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Your posts now make sense as its the typical Irish begrudgery thats unfortunately too common in this country.
Here's the thing if it wasn't for business owners taking the risk our economy would never be where it was up till 2 months, okay, sometimes these risks pay off, sometimes they don't.
Similar your pro lockdown posts also make sense, I'm doing okay so nobody else is allowed voice their discomfort with further extensions.

And its the same from the other posters who seem to think that because other countries had tighter restrictions, so should we. Even though their hospitals were swamped and their death rates were far higher than ours.

snotboogie

JoeA3 wrote: »

I thought Dan O’Brien on with Ivan Yates tonight was excellent. Very scary, but excellent. He got his very clear message across in a clear calm manner, he didn’t engage in any point scoring, just told it how it is. Very very sobering. He asked - which event in the early part of the last century did more damage? The Spanish flu? Or the Great Depression a decade later?

I wish to God that there were more voices like O’Brien’s in Leo’s ear.

It was interesting to hear Ivan also say that he feels like a lone voice out there among his media colleagues. He is completely shut down and vilified by most of his own media peers when he challenges the status quo.

Meanwhile over on RTE’s Prime Time, FG had sent in some nobody from their backbenches. Utterly pointless, they may as well have sent in an empty suit. Nothing to say other than spout rehearsed cliches. It’s absolutely infuriating. And nobody on RTE challenges it. They can sing for their licence fee

Does anybody have a link to this interview?

lawrencesummers

easypazz wrote: »

So what is your grievance with him then regarding UK bankruptcy, if he has done nothing wrong?

He’s cherry picking what parts of the rules suit him, happily taking a ridiculous pension paid for by the people of the country, but not willing to accept the laws of the country that pay him.

easypazz

It is noticeable how there are fewer members of the "its not a lockdown" political party posting on here each passing day.

Most people realise now that this is a crock of sh1t and have had enough of these measures.

The tide is turning fast.

Longing

Good job Ireland is going to War anytime soon. Physical I mean. Because reading comments here about lifting restrictions is like people running to the enemy with your arms open to Covid 19. We are at War against invisible enemy so far 20,612 casualties and 1,232 deaths in two months.
In the last number of weeks we have brought up the heavy artillery (Restrictions) and its working. So why would you lift restrictions for the enemy to regroup and counter attack.

_Kaiser_

lawrencesummers wrote: »

He’s cherry picking what parts of the rules suit him, happily taking a ridiculous pension paid for by the people of the country, but not willing to accept the laws of the country that pay him.

While I agree with your point to an extent, this is no different to any wealthy people using loopholes to limit the tax they pay, or companies setting up effectively mailboxes here for the same purposes, or multinationals routing profits to where they pay the least.

Distasteful maybe, but perfectly legal - and in the latter cases they provide thousands of jobs we absolutely depend on.

drunkmonkey

I'll say one thing about the medical handling of this, I'm pretty sure there's only 2 genders now they've stopped reporting the unknown genders, this can only be good for the youth of the country.

lawrencesummers

easypazz wrote: »

It is noticeable how there are fewer members of the "its not a lockdown" political party posting on here each passing day.

Most people realise now that this is a crock of sh1t and have had enough of these measures.

The tide is turning fast.

The tide isn’t turning, the disease that kills people is not spreading As before because the restrictions are working, and eventually those restrictions will eliminate it to a point where life can go towards it was before.

gozunda

rusty the athlete wrote: »

I suppose the ridiculous house arrest of fit and healthy over 70s has to be rescinded this afternoon as most fit and healthy over 70s I know have been treating the measure with the contempt it deserves by totally ignoring it. The only beneficiaries will be those that blindly followed the advice of so called "experts" and who can now repair some of the psychological and physical damage they have needlessly done to themselves over the last five weeks.

Do you always write such complete and utter rubbish?

You do know that Ireland is not the only county affected in this pandemic? That restrictions to control the rate of infection and to stop health services been overrun is the method employed by the majority of countries worldwide yes?

The disease affects all age groups and also those with serious medical conditions of all ages. Younger people also end up in hospital in significant numbers. But more importantly anyone can spread this disease. But hey lets ignore that and stick out heads in the sand and pretend none of this is happening.

The bs of 'house arrest is simply noted party political type crap. It kids no one tbh.

completedit

Why do people act like what happens in Ireland matters. We are like the top 5 most globalised countries in the world, what happ me heee makes no odds if the forecast for depression comes to pass.

*From a fully economic point of view

As for restrictions liberty and freedom, what do FG and Varadkar gain?

Penfailed

easypazz wrote: »

It is noticeable how there are fewer members of the "its not a lockdown" political party posting on here each passing day.

Most people realise now that this is a crock of sh1t and have had enough of these measures.

The tide is turning fast.

It's noticeable that they are continually brow beaten and spoken down to by a cohort of posters backing each other up.
'Most people'? I'd say that if they extend the restrictions for another week or two, most people will stick to them. Ireland is, by and large, a law abiding country.