drunkmonkey wrote: » We haven't done our job, people with it aren't isolating, I'm starting to think we didn't go hard enough on the lockdown, we should have locked everything down. Gave people time to stock up on food, medicine, booze then shut everything up. We went for a soft lockdown and it didn't work, I don't think extending it will have much effect as it's the wrong tactic from the start.
bluelamp wrote: » Yes but it's not the point I was making. I'm not talking about a perfect world. I'm saying that regardless of how hard you try to keep teenagers indoors, how strict a parent should be etc etc, realistically - you wont get complete conformance from all of them. Regardless of whether or not we are told to stay within 2km of our house past the 5th of May - it wont happen. Mask wearing is realistic, hand washing is realistic, social distancing is realistic, cocooning for at risk people is realistic. Keeping young and healthy people within 2km of their house, is not realistic, and its simply not going to happen whether we like it or not.
SAMTALK wrote: » It happened in other countries but they had a complete lockdown. We got away light but of course a certain minority will always go against the grain. I was glad we could get out of the house but it's ridiculous the amount of people who abuse this. I still have to work and I see cars pulling up at shops with 2/4 people getting out and going to shop. People walking in groups of 3 and 4 not from same house. Cyclists way out of 2 km zone. Government made mistakes but let's be honest , it's up to people to take responsiblity for themselves and their actions. I have 2 young people in my house and they havent been anywhere in weeks. I do the shopping as the desiginated person in the house. they go out for runs/walks within the 2km. They don't meet with their friends. I'm sure this is the same for the majority of young people so it is realistic, why on earth would it not be ?
RugbyLad11 wrote: » You hit the nail on the head, there is only so long you can stop a couple from seeing each other. I haven't seen my partner in over a month, it has been so difficult but I was able to cope because I truly believed that we would get some ease of restrictions on the 5th...Because r0 below 1, most new cases confined to nursing homes and ICU numbers well below capacity. But now if there is no change after the 5th people will take it into their own hands and see their loved ones.
bluelamp wrote: » It's time be realistic - if rules and regulations are too difficult to follow, people will stop following them. Human nature. Whether you are a lock down fanatic, or a "just a flu" believer - it's in everyone's interests for these rules to be relaxed slightly or people will stop following any of them. Will a couple who dont live together continue to not see each other? No. Is there any harm in people sitting in an elderly parents garden having a flask of tea a few metres away from them? No. It's time to get real, whether you are 2km for your house or 200km away, you can still follow social distancing measures. I'd put a bet now that the 5th of May will see an easing of restrictions whether its the government, or the people who decide its happening.
Discodog wrote: » Listening to Newstalk. There have been a succession of contributors warning that deaths from lack of routine medicine will kill more than Covid.
peasant wrote: » Depending where the virus strikes and what clusters of people it takes out (they don't all need to die btw...being out sick at home, unable to do anything with a so called "mild" case, they are still not productive or consuming anything) ..the following scenarios are all possible: - enough key people in the electricity supply can't show up for work ...the lights go out - enough key people in the banks are sick ...you can't get your money - enough key people in the food supply chain go missing ...toilet paper will be the least of your worries. I don't think I need to mention what would happen to society if one or more of the above came to pass.
HeidiHeidi wrote: » This. Every single day at the start, either Simon Harris or Tony Holohan explained that they didn't want to impose harsher restrictions any earlier than they absolutely had to, because they becoming increasingly hard to stick to as time goes on. How they can now resist saying "I told you so" is beyond me. If I had the energy I'd go back and see who was clamouring for a total lockdown early on, and see if they're the same ones now screaming for the (non-)lockdown to be lifted because they're sick of it. I bet there'd be a lot of crossover.
faceman wrote: » Varadkar has given an indirect reference in the Dail today as to when we can expect to be flying again. When quizzed on the refund issue with Ryanair today and went to to say that he would like to see "Ryanair and Aer Lingus back in operation sometime in the summer, sometime in August" I guess that can be used as an expectation
Sweet.Science wrote: » The r0 2 weeks ago was below 1 . The public have been great and we have done our job. What is wrong with this country
KrustyUCC wrote: » Yes exactly From 12th of March to 5th of May is 55 days According to the Irish Times timetable it will be at least another 2 months if you don't live within 20km of your partner That's up to 30th of June which is 111 days How can the government expect any couple to stick to that?
bluelamp wrote: » Mask wearing is realistic, hand washing is realistic, social distancing is realistic, cocooning for at risk people is realistic.
Goose76 wrote: » For how long though? Are at risk groups expect to wave goodbye to all meaniful aspects of their entire lives (and indeed livelihoods) until there's a widely available vaccine? I cannot believe there isn't more focus and attention given to this, both on official news sites and speculative mediums like Boards.
Kobe Colossal Cape wrote: » Not a hope of that! People may wait until late May but not a hope after that
brick tamland wrote: » O'Leary said July on Sky News the other day. I'm sure he didn't pull that out of nowhere either, he will be surely getting briefed from senior government sources here and in UK.
[Deleted User] wrote: » They wont be back in business if there is mandatory 14 day quarantine for all arrivals.
Padraig Mor wrote: » +1. IIRC total surge ICU capacity (according to the HSE consultant on here) in the country is in the order of 1000 beds.
Padraig Mor wrote: » +1. There is no scientific basis whatsoever for the restrictions in their current form to be maintained beyond May 5th. The vast majority of the community have adhered to the restrictions and done what they were asked - we've done amazingly well as a people. We've already been told - what, two weeks ago now? - that community transmission is "virtually zero". The R0 is ~0.5, one of the lowest in Europe if I'm correct. Currently, the virus is not a serious threat to the average person or the community at large. The lockdown as an appropriate response to the threat at the time and did its job. It is now time to begin the process of reducing restrictions. Despite what the lockdown bedwetters here try to claim, this does not mean that those in favour of liberalisation want an immediate end to all restrictions - nothing could be further from the truth. It'll still be quite a while before we're sitting in pubs again, or the elderly are pootling around town. First thing that needs to go is the 2km limit - and not replaced with a 5/10km limit either - and for parks etc to open again. There is no valid reason for me or anyone else not to bring my kids to a forest 10/20/30km away and go for a walk. I know the Nervous Nellies here think that people will catch the virus en masse in parks - well, they're simply wrong - for the most part this is not a disease of the outdoors and you'd want to pretty damn unlucky to pick this up in your average national park anyway, not to mind if social distancing is employed as far as practicable (which of course it should be). Will the infection rate climb with reducing restrictions? More than likely, but the degree of that and its extent are far from clear. Just in case, we need additional overhead in our health service - which we have in spades! We have ~100 patients in ICU with Covid-19 currently. IIRC total surge ICU capacity (according to the HSE consultant on here) in the country is in the order of 1000 beds. Even allowing for non-Covid ICU patients, that's a lot of extra capacity. How many reports have we heard that many hospitals are in large part near empty or very quiet? We have private hospitals being paid €115 million a month to look after public patients - and they're empty or near empty! We have loads of spare capacity in the system to deal with a surge if it comes. Now, I'm sure that'll be misinterpreted by the lockdown fetishists as me justifying going to the pub saying "to hell if others get sick, plenty of hospital space for them". Again, completely wrong - as we reduce restrictions we need to keep our eye on the ball in case things go awry. This is now primarily a disease of nursing homes, long term residential facilities and healthcare facilities and this is where we need to focus our attention. There have been considerable failings by the HSE in dealing with these and I honestly believe that any continuation of the lockdown is an attempt to distract attention from this. To be honest, I'm not quite ready to raise the pitchforks for Holohan yet - I'm sure he and his colleagues did what they thought was best and it's not as if other countries don't have similar problems. The average person did not cause the nursing home outbreaks. We've done what we were asked to do and we've done it well, bringing the virus pretty much to its knees in the community at large. Yet if I want to pop my kids in the car and bring them to the woods for a ramble while maintaining social distancing I'll be turned around by the Gardai if stopped (and there has been a continual checkpoint on the only access to/from my area since Easter) - yet Travellers are allowed break the rules with impunity and with the connivance of Official Ireland? It's time to start relaxing the restrictions. FWIW I'm a microbiologist and have significant responsibility for infection control (incl Covid-19) in a large organisation which includes healthcare settings.
What Username Guidelines wrote: » I was convinced I had read this somewhere else, or maybe in the order of 800, but cannot find where it was.. Any ideas? Agree with your post. The 2km thing I actually understand, it keeps people close to home and 'bubbles' communities in some cases. Works well in rural areas perhaps but isn't a good nationwide-rule. It will also bubble lots of apartment dwellers into a busy circle. The theory is probably to stop crowding as seen in Parks, mountains, trails, etc. but in reality they jsut need to bang on about keeping distance.
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