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How many people on Boards have a mask and if so are you wearing them for essential trips? And this late in the day where can you get one that is going to be half decent and not from a suspect seller who could have done anything to it?

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Jim_Hodge

This is a tutorial for masks being made by a group my wife is sewing for. They are in huge demand from the local care homes and hospitals.

The filter can be as simple as a coffee filter paper or dried baby wipes.

ShineOn7

Jaysus

https://www.acmeblinds.com/faceshield?pid=25

ShineOn7

Two posts from Reddit Ireland that caught my eye

Anyone see them talking about masks on prime time last night? They had a guy from Czech Republic talking about how effective mandatory mask wearing has been for them there. They cut back to the studio and the panelists can't fully bring themselves to admit they might have been wrong about it? She went on about how if you touch the mask it could be covered in Corona.

They seemed to totally disregard the Czech guy's point, that high compliancy mandatory mask wearing is what makes the difference - not to protect the mask wearer, but to stop the virus 'at the source' as he put it. If everyone wears masks then the droplets' reach will be massively reduced, there'll be way fewer droplets spread on to surfaces etc. This seems to make so much sense - why did the whole discussion around mask wearing focus on individual protection, reserving them for healthcare workers, all the talk about filter levels etc etc.

Yes, good hand washing and mask handling should still be maintained of course, but even if everyone wore a simple cloth mask the average person would surely be spreading the virus a lot less and communal spread would be much more limited?

ShineOn7

The second one

Interesting Czech and Ireland comparison re: Masks

I visited Czechia in early March. Flew Dublin to Bratislava on the 5th. Dublin airport was business as usual, the slovakian government had our temperatures checked going through customs and had us fill out a form stating who we travelled with, where we were staying etc. On the 10th I flew back the other direction, in Dublin airport there were temp checks only, Slovakia closed its airports the next day.

Face masks are mandatory in Czech, it's been disheartening to watch the cases. For a country with roughly the same landmass and twice the population our cases were about the same for weeks and then ireland shot up and we are nowhere near each other now.

Wibbs

We are being led by mediocre morons, with a side order of cowardice. What's sadder is how so many seem to think they're doing a good job. If at this stage anyone I know ends up dying from this it'll be because of those utter fcukwits.

fr336

Wibbs wrote: »

We are being led by mediocre morons, with a side order of cowardice. What's sadder is how so many seem to think they're doing a good job. If at this stage anyone I know ends up dying from this it'll be because of those utter fcukwits.

Almost all governments should be kicked out after all this. When the chips were down, history will judge them to have failed terribly. Some more than others, UK more than Ireland for example, but still a big fat fail. The same governments now advocating 14 day quarantines for all people coming into the country should have been doing this in February and March. Which would have been better, a robust quarantine program with costs around staffing and enforcement and an impact on the travel industry or the absolute social and economic disaster we are all now facing? Mere civilians were talking about this week after week on places like Boards. Now we have thousands of needless deaths and economic catastrophe purely because we elect totally useless "leaders" who never lead, never think. Merely pass the buck and look to advisors. If you're prime minister or taoiseach, YOU are the one in charge. Not the people "behind the scenes". It's the way things have been going past 20 years unfortunately.

Idjit

My father in law had a couple of proper valve masks left over from some project. We have two vulnerable family members living with us so we will take any precaution we can when venturing out of the home.

I read somewhere that it's likely not necessary to sanitise shopping or post, but we are still doing that with anything that comes into the house. We have been wearing the masks in shops or pharmacies but not out exercising.

This is a new virus and the information seems to change very quickly. Better to be safe than sorry so we're not waiting around to be advised to do something, we just do all we can to reduce the likelihood of infection.

drunkmonkey

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Jaysus

https://www.acmeblinds.com/faceshield?pid=25

Faceshields are better than any mask.

Xertz

fr336 wrote: »

Almost all governments should be kicked out after all this. When the chips were down, history will judge them to have failed terribly. Some more than others, UK more than Ireland for example, but still a big fat fail. The same governments now advocating 14 day quarantines for all people coming into the country should have been doing this in February and March. Which would have been better, a robust quarantine program with costs around staffing and enforcement and an impact on the travel industry or the absolute social and economic disaster we are all now facing? Mere civilians were talking about this week after week on places like Boards. Now we have thousands of needless deaths and economic catastrophe purely because we elect totally useless "leaders" who never lead, never think. Merely pass the buck and look to advisors. If you're prime minister or taoiseach, YOU are the one in charge. Not the people "behind the scenes". It's the way things have been going past 20 years unfortunately.

I think though that’s the reality of deliberative representative democracy. They need evidence to make radical moves and we SEVERELY punish anyone who makes policy without basing it on evidence.

In a different scenario that can be extremely useful. In a fast moving crisis it can result in waiting for consensus, be it domestically, or from peer countries, to make any sudden moves.

The reality of this is that you’ve hit every government with situation that has moved far faster than they can react and an area that they are not used to. Most of our rapid reaction capability in Ireland and most other countries in the West is about dealing with economic issues. That’s where we’ve had most threat and that’s where our resources have been.

When it came to a big healthcare crisis, the older parts of the developed world, the US and Europe, didn’t react quickly enough and seemed to assume this couldn’t be happening until it was too late to react.

We’ll all analyse and debrief and when this is over and there’ll be dissection of what happened and various people will be blamed for inaction or slow action. We’ll stockpile some PPE and have some funds on standby. Then nothing will happen for 100 years and that generation will probably be similarly blindsided by some future virus.

The simple reality is humans aren’t very good at measuring or understanding risk, particularly unfamiliar risk. We place the wrong weightings on the wrong things all the time.

pm1977x

Setanter wrote: »

www.pharmacy.ie are stocking them, with next day delivery €50 for a box of 50, €12.00 for a ten pack. Fairly sure couriers have cocooning procedures.
Hope that helps

Anyone managed to get the website to work, it keeps demanding a billing county at checkout, even though I have registered and filled it in

millb

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Faceshields are better than any mask.

https://quillette.com/2020/04/23/covid-19-superspreader-events-in-28-countries-critical-patterns-and-lessons/

Good read here. Difference between large and small droplets ......

Wibbs

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Faceshields are better than any mask.

No. They're not. They're another part of PPE in hazardous environments. However give any person working with hazardous pathogens the stark choice between wearing a mask or a faceshield and you'll get your answer, and it won't be what you think.

TheAsYLuMkeY

Wibbs wrote: »

No. They're not. They're another part of PPE in hazardous environments. However give any person working with hazardous pathogens the stark choice between wearing a mask or a faceshield and you'll get your answer, and it won't be what you think.

Faceshield is useful to protects entry through the eyes, but i would generally be reluctant to use a faceshield given the proximity they are from the face overall.

I wear my 3M tradesman mask together with wrap around safety glasses when i am out and about at the moment.

Coralcoras

I’ve heard it mentioned twice now on the news, and once on radio, that masks-wearing May become a policy in the near-future. I’ve made 20 masks for family and now starting my next batch for friends. I wonder has anyone heard of nursing homes accepting donated reusable masks?

Spring Celebrator

Coralcoras wrote: »

I’ve heard it mentioned twice now on the news, and once on radio, that masks-wearing May become a policy in the near-future. I’ve made 20 masks for family and now starting my next batch for friends. I wonder has anyone heard of nursing homes accepting donated reusable masks?

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Seanergy

CHAIR G-MAN: I know it’s the 1st day back in Dail and I don’t want to make work for anybody but it doesn’t look like this virus is scared of the Irish weather as originally hoped. Any thoughts beyond actually closing the border with the North?

RESEARCH G-MAN: I don’t think it came from the North, but then again I don’t know.

HEALTH G-MAN: We could put some sort of face covers on the public to reduce the spread from source.

CHAIR G-MAN: That's very practical, like a plastic bag or a beach towel or a Balaclava?

ENVIRON G-MAN: Can’t do plastic bags, not poll friendly.

STOCK G-MAN: Not enough beach towel’s either.

POLL G-MAN: Balaclava’s might be to pro Sinn Fein, we could loose more seats.

HEALTH G-MAN: I meant face masks.

PRESS G-MAN: Sure we just spent months dissing the use of face masks for the public throughout all forms of media.

U-TURN G-MAN: How are we going to U-turn that?

SCIENCE G-MAN: Is there any new scientific evidence, that always works.

EVIDENCE G-MAN: Not peer reviewed, actually there is no scientific evidence against public face mask use either.

HEALTH G-MAN: Are we in trouble for saying “Wearing a mask is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick” then?

LEGAL G-MAN: No, actually the wording of that will stand up in court. But I think I see your point, the general advice has been not to wear face masks for the public.

HEALTH G-MAN: If we leave it a little longer then maybe they will all be sick and we can continue with that slogan.

ECONOMY G-MAN: That’s not going to work, if they all get sick were not getting paid.

SCIENCE G-MAN: It’s out of our hands now, this is fast becoming a practical issue.

PRACTICAL G-MAN: I know just replace the word mask with a different word for the public.

SPIN G-MAN: Face coverings.

CHAIR G-MAN: That should work, just continue to cite WHO and ECDC and behavioural patterns of other countries in the media.

STOCK G-MAN: we don't have enough stock for vulnerables along with front liners to make this mandatory.

ECON G-MAN: Don't dare consider that, let them rumble through their cuboards for tshirts and bra's.

LEGAL G-MAN: Make it advisory, for now.

WEATHER G-MAN: That might work, the weather is due to change.

drunkmonkey

Coralcoras wrote: »

I’ve heard it mentioned twice now on the news, and once on radio, that masks-wearing May become a policy in the near-future. I’ve made 20 masks for family and now starting my next batch for friends. I wonder has anyone heard of nursing homes accepting donated reusable masks?

It'll be recommended for some but it won't be compulsory, it's not something that can be policed, don't expect it to be law.

What Username Guidelines

Coralcoras wrote: »

I’ve heard it mentioned twice now on the news, and once on radio, that masks-wearing May become a policy in the near-future. I’ve made 20 masks for family and now starting my next batch for friends. I wonder has anyone heard of nursing homes accepting donated reusable masks?

Hopefully it wont be mandatory or legally applied, as people don't like being told what to do, but I would like to see businesses insist on them for entry to shops, etc. I'm happy to wear one, think everyone should, but the benefit isnt as strong unless everyone is wearing one.

Jim_Hodge

Coralcoras wrote: »

I’ve heard it mentioned twice now on the news, and once on radio, that masks-wearing May become a policy in the near-future. I’ve made 20 masks for family and now starting my next batch for friends. I wonder has anyone heard of nursing homes accepting donated reusable masks?

Post #1595 shows the type and standard of masks that hospitals and nursing homes are looking for in their hundreds from a group my wife is sewing for.

RugbyLad11

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It'll be recommended for some but it won't be compulsory, it's not something that can be policed, don't expect it to be law.

No entering shops, public transport without covering your nose/mouth would make it compulsory for most

GreeBo

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Wibbs

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Hopefully it wont be mandatory or legally applied, as people don't like being told what to do,

Maybe W, but you could say that about a lot of regulations. Most of them in fact. Even ones we take for granted today like wearing seatbelts was resisted across the board until it became mandatory, so today someone insisting on not wearing a seatbelt would be seen as a nutter at best, a danger to themselves at worst.

Seanergy

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timsey tiger

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It'll be recommended for some but it won't be compulsory, it's not something that can be policed, don't expect it to be law.

I wonder why it can't be policed here, when it can in other countries?

Kivaro

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It'll be recommended for some but it won't be compulsory, it's not something that can be policed, don't expect it to be law.

It can be policed, but not in Ireland ..... unfortunately.
Wonder how come we are so different in Ireland that something so important cannot be policed, but in other countries it can be easily policed? In fact very little policing is involved in these countries, as compliance would be deemed patriotic and a sense of duty to fellow citizens. In Ireland, we would need community cohesion by all sections of society, which would not occur. The reasons why not is for another thread.

drunkmonkey

timsey tiger wrote: »

I wonder why it can't be policed here, when it can in other countries?

What are we going to do fine people, we don't have the man power, if there catching people not wearing face masks who's going to man the checkpoints.
At this stage I think we should be stamping peoples foreheads awaiting results or testing positive. Compliance with the stfah recommendation isn't across the board.

What Username Guidelines

Kivaro wrote: »

It can be policed, but not in Ireland ..... unfortunately.
Wonder how come we are so different in Ireland that something so important cannot be policed, but in other countries it can be easily policed? In fact very little policing is involved in these countries, as compliance would be deemed patriotic and a sense of duty to fellow citizens. In Ireland, we would need community cohesion by all sections of society, which would not occur. The reasons why not is for another thread.

I think it's the 'ah sure it's grand attitude'. We've lived in a neutral country without natural disasters and are used to seeing things of this scale on the news happening in 'other places'. It's the way we've been primed to this stuff unfortunately.

LuasSimon

How does one make a mask or what do you need ?.... are shops still selling them or are they gone very expensive ?

Kivaro

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What are we going to do fine people, we don't have the man power, if there catching people not wearing face masks who's going to man the checkpoints.
At this stage I think we should be stamping peoples foreheads awaiting results or testing positive. Compliance with the stfah recommendation isn't across the board.

I think you might be misunderstanding the process.
No checkpoints would be required.
On a town/city street, it would be easy to pick out the person not wearing a face mask. Not wearing a face mask would be a slap 'in the face' to the rest of us, so it wouldn't take long for natural policing to occur, as the non-wearer would be deemed a pariah. And we are not talking about universal mask wearing.

timsey tiger

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What are we going to do fine people, we don't have the man power, if there catching people not wearing face masks who's going to man the checkpoints.
At this stage I think we should be stamping peoples foreheads awaiting results or testing positive. Compliance with the stfah recommendation isn't across the board.

You could say that about every law and regulation we have.