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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Sean 18

Hooked wrote: »

There won't be a Christmas, if they keep kicking the can down the road much longer...

Their probably won't but I guarantee the budget will still go ahead in October virus or no virus

growleaves

ek motor wrote: »

Would have very serious doubts as to whether the author 'David Williams' is an actual 'MD', I suspect not.

Of course he is. He's listed in WebMD's Physician Directory.

Whats your medical/scientific background?

Penfailed

easypazz wrote: »

Source?

Jesus. Seriously? A quick Google would tell you that the first confirmed case in Spain was on the 31st of January. The first confirmed case in Ireland was the 28th of February. We're one calendar month behind them.

Hooked

Sean 18 wrote: »

I can see Leo making speeches at Christmas day telling us we are facing a christmas like no other and we ll still be all locked down

There won't be a Christmas, if they keep kicking the can down the road much longer...

[Deleted User]

growleaves wrote: »

We'll have comparisons with other countries.

The excuses put forward here - "Swedish culture is well-behaved, Irish people are inferior", "The Bulgarian government are liars" - are a really a kind of sulking. Real scientific comparisons will made between different restrictions and between what we know (or find out) about the virus itself. Then insights, conclusions and recommendations will be possible.

Japan only testing people with symptoms of Pneumonia

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-52466834

Second wave hitting

https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/30/japanese-island-hit-second-coronavirus-wave-lockdown-lifted-12632163/

ek motor

growleaves wrote: »

The Truth (and Lies) about Coronavirus

This article is absolute tosh. Zero citations. Talks about how influenza is apparently more infectious than SARS-CoV-2 without a single reference to the R0 of either virus.

Would have very serious doubts as to whether the author 'David Williams' is an actual 'MD', I suspect not.

Sean 18

I can see Leo making speeches at Christmas day telling us we are facing a christmas like no other and we ll still be all locked down

Nermal

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Irish people aren't resilient.

That's what I've taken from this whole episode.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113256988&postcount=961

People who want us all to stay indoors, because of a virus with the same chance of killing under-65s as a nine-mile car journey, are 'brave', and now also 'resilient'. Such tripe.

https://twitter.com/AlistairHaimes/status/1255409982041927681

Elon Musk on our side as well, I read.

[Deleted User]

easypazz wrote: »

Source?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Penfailed

growleaves wrote: »

The Truth (and Lies) about Coronavirus

That ^^^ makes for very interesting reading...if true.

Hearty80

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Dunno.

But it's been announced we will hear tomorrow.

If you manage to dress yourself tommorrow morning I'm sure you can turn on the TV or radio.

Although I wouldn't be so confident with some people around here.

I actually work full time, so missed the last announcement. As for some reason the exact time and date is always a secret. For your information there has never been an announcement in the morning on the radio.

easypazz

CalamariFritti wrote: »

So we're now locked in for 7 weeks and counting and our new rulers by decree from the NPHET committee are dodging questions with regards to parameters for the easing/ending of the lockdown. Not just evading timelines but actively dodging questions as to any kind of measurement for what a 'good number' (of people in ICU, new cases etc) looks like. The Taoiseach says he will not ease anything until the doctors tell him it's 'safe to do so'. Which they will never do. It will never be truly safe.

This is quickly becoming a political crisis on top of the health crisis. In any other context we'd call this a coup.

I'm not saying it is a coup and I don't even think there is malice. But we're ruled by NPHET. 20 to 40 people in a room or video conference. All bigshots in their own right with their own agendas.
I can just picture it. Cover your arse and kick the can down the road and make no decision or commitment as long as possible. If a decision can no longer be avoided it'll have to be a joint decision so that no one is accountable. The poor eejit whose job title means he can't dodge that task then is being trotted out in front of the public to bullsh1t us.

This is how we end up with the most non-committal token plan ever with no dates in it and more importantly with no other numbers in it either. And the media are asking questions about American Football in the Aviva?

I'm so angry right now. What the actual fvck? I mean your one Gemma O'Doherty is a total clown but I must admit her heart is in the right place with regards to challenging this in court. This is becoming a total sh1t show.

Well said. They asked to follow their plan. Their plan failed and now they want us to keep following, because a stopped clock is right twice a day and eventually their will look like its working.

Time for plan "B"

growleaves

From the article I linked above:

We can not tell you how many times people have expressed consternation about not knowing what China is hiding. Generally, they feel it is horrific death numbers or the genesis story of the virus. China withheld information about the virulence of COVID-19. They knew they had cases of asymptomatic individuals, possibly hundreds of thousands such patients. By not including this data it changed the mortality rate greatly. Initial terror regarding COVID-19 was a 4% mortality rate in China. Most would now concede the mortality rate is less than 0.2% given the high number of asymptomatic patients. Meanwhile, the Chinese are buying property in affected areas, particularly Italy, and likely not unhappy with what is happening in America given their trade battles with President Trump.

growleaves

Deleted User wrote: »

Imagine the threads if the government had shut down the country when the rest of Europe was wide open

Hah!

Imagine if Ireland shut down the country and then the rest of Europe decided not to. Imagine the threads then!

maxsmum

Podge201 wrote: »

The majority of the Irish would want a giant dido stuck up their behind.

I'd prefer a giant dildo to a giant Dido, tbh

Jinglejangle69

Hearty80 wrote: »

Is it happening tomorrow? Well that's good news, what time is it on? And what channel will it be on? Thanks

Dunno.

But it's been announced we will hear tomorrow.

If you manage to dress yourself tommorrow morning I'm sure you can turn on the TV or radio.

Although I wouldn't be so confident with some people around here.

drunkmonkey

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Still can't believe people can't wait until tomorrow to see the plan before loosing their heads.

Please just wait and see.

We know the plan, Tony pretty much said it last night when pushed. Pushing the government to announce a plan rather than wait for more data is going to cause extended restrictions of our own doing. I think if you ask Tony next Tuesday instead of pushing Leo for a plan on Friday it might be less restrictive. Friday is too early to announce. The current plan runs until the 5th then there should be an announcement that day.

growleaves

Spencer Brown wrote: »

The problem with this kind of article is the lockdowns have now been done, we'll never know which of the restrictions were actually effective as we have nothing to compare against.

We'll have comparisons with other countries.

Japan, with an elderly and highly urban population of 126.5 million, eschewed a nationwide economic lockdown and emphasized instead the need to avoid the three Cs: confined spaces, crowded places, and close contact. It has had only 360 deaths as of April 26.

The excuses put forward here - "Swedish culture is well-behaved, Irish people are inferior", "The Bulgarian government are liars" - are a really a kind of sulking. Real scientific comparisons will made between different restrictions and between what we know (or find out) about the virus itself. Then insights, conclusions and recommendations will be possible.

easypazz

Penfailed wrote: »

They're further down the road as the virus hit there earlier than it did here.

Source?

[Deleted User]

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It happend in retail late January early February, some weren't waiting for the government or media to cop on. Once there was stock shortages it became apparent there was a major problem. I bought sanatizer in January and topped up with a larger order the first week of February. That was aimed at protecting my staff, they thought I was gone a bit mad to begin with.

Imagine the threads if the government had shut down the country when the rest of Europe was wide open

Hearty80

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Still can't believe people can't wait until tomorrow to see the plan before loosing their heads.

Please just wait and see.

Is it happening tomorrow? Well that's good news, what time is it on? And what channel will it be on? Thanks

Jinglejangle69

road_high wrote: »

Don’t need to- here’s Leo’s master plan- “we’ll continue as we are and see if it reduces. And a few hero’s and capes thrown in.”
He’s probably practicing the script as we speak from the advisors and PR agents. Few touch ups from the last one and he’s away. And the next one....

Right so.

Cry away like a child.

Podge201

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Spanish kids were allowed out of their apartments for an hour a day for the first time in 6 weeks on Monday.

Irish people aren't resilient.

That's what I've taken from this whole episode.

The majority of the Irish would want a giant dido stuck up their behind.

Spencer Brown

growleaves wrote: »

The Truth (and Lies) about Coronavirus

The problem with this kind of article is the lockdowns have now been done, we'll never know which of the restrictions were actually effective as we have nothing to compare against.

Stark

And there are children in Africa dying of disease and hunger. Your point?

Jinglejangle69

Penfailed wrote: »

Spain has not reopened! They have eased some restrictions but even in doing so, they are still living with stricter conditions than we are. They're further down the road as the virus hit there earlier than it did here.

Spanish kids were allowed out of their apartments for an hour a day for the first time in 6 weeks on Monday.

Irish people aren't resilient.

That's what I've taken from this whole episode.

Jinglejangle69

Still can't believe people can't wait until tomorrow to see the plan before loosing their heads.

Please just wait and see.

Hooked

Time to get us back living (albeit limited lives), and not sacrifice our kids, mental health and the economy for the sake of those who will no doubt die. We have to balance living with Covid-19 - continuing social distancing and wearing PPE where necessary (with good hygiene). Not hide away, stepping in and out of various states of lockdown for years to come.

I think that Spock said it best...

The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few...

drunkmonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

Where did this not happen outside south east asia? Hindsight is brilliant, but globally governments were taking their queue from the WHO who were being hoodwinked by China

It happend in retail late January early February, some weren't waiting for the government or media to cop on. Once there was stock shortages it became apparent there was a major problem. I bought sanatizer in January and topped up with a larger order the first week of February. That was aimed at protecting my staff, they thought I was gone a bit mad to begin with.

[Deleted User]

SNNUS wrote: »

You can hide as long as you want, the virus will still be there when you finally step out into the economic wastelands.

Stepping out a bit the 6th, 13th or 20th of is not massive from an economic point of view, could be massive from an infection control point of view though. Cant continue at current levels for much longer than that though