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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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gauchesnell

road_high wrote: »

I don’t get it. If people wanted to join the ps there has been ample opportunities to do so in the past 5 years. Obviously there will be a recruitment bar now but might lift if the economy recovers quickly.
The focus needs to be getting us all back to work for all our sakes.
I know lots in the PS working away from home, doubly different as it’s not something they normally do unlike many of us that always did it with laptops etc- many wouldn’t have even had a laptop for to encryption and security protocols. There’s much more of a very rigid office culture in the PS.

I dont miss the office I just wish I have the space at home. Working from home was a little surprise so I have no desk etc. I live in a one bed apartment with my partner who is in isolation in the living room. Hopefully finishing that this weekend.

I have to work from my bed which is killing my back

Oh how I miss a table.

I agree everyone wants to be back to work - I know some colleagues who cant come back until childcare is sorted etc/others are immunocomprised etc

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

lord quackinton wrote: »

updated - figures taken from worldometer

Sweden
Chances of dying from corona .025%
- no lockdown

Uk
Chances of dying from corona .04%
- late to lockdown and Large population

Ireland
Chances of dying from corona .025%
- early to lockdown and small population.
Half of Sweden’s population

America
Chances of dying from corona .019%
- Donald trump has received world criticism and is held been personally accountable for the thousands of deaths

Time to open up?

Chances of actually catching corona in said countries:

Sweden 0.2% - No lockdown
UK 0.25%
USA 0.3%
Ireland 0.4%

And some cities for no reason other than I'm bored:
New York - 1.5% (don't know lockdown situation)
Dublin - 0.75%* (lockdown)
Stockholm 0.8%* (no lockdown)
Berlin - 0.15% (mild lockdown, free movement as long as no groups)

*based on my potentially dodgy maths

showpony1

what's all this i keep reading here about "if he would let everyone meet sitting out in the garden it would be grand"?
It is meant to be lashing rain most of the weekend - will people still be happy with that being the compromise?

Charles Babbage

arctictree wrote: »

What if they provide us with a plan but the numbers just stay where they are indefinitely? Do we just stay in lockdown indefinitely? Not going to work....

Why should they stay there indefinitely? But even if they did then you would tighten things and squeeze the disease. Then, when you had driven it out, you would relax.

Charles Babbage

lord quackinton wrote: »

updated - figures taken from worldometer

Sweden
Chances of dying from corona .025%
- no lockdown

Ireland
Chances of dying from corona .025%
- early to lockdown and small population.
Half of Sweden’s population

America
Chances of dying from corona .019%
- Donald trump has received world criticism and is held been personally accountable for the thousands of deaths

Time to open up?

No, Sweden and the US are not counting all of the deaths, Ireland does not have as many fatalities as they do. We still have too many deaths, we need to beat the thing down and not lose the plot because of impatience. That would be totally immature.

growleaves

FloatingVoter wrote: »

There could be a second wave. They all have their eyes on the Spanish Flu.

That's not a real excuse and it doesn't make any sense why people are (seemingly) falling for it.

Why do people "all have their eyes" on a diseases from 1918? Why don't they "all have their eyes" on the 1957 pandemic?

A much-deadlier second wave would be like winning a negative lottery.

There's no *particular* likelihood of it happening. Therefore making it the basis of our policy is stupid and insane.

FloatingVoter

lord quackinton wrote: »

updated - figures taken from worldometer

Sweden
Chances of dying from corona .025%
- no lockdown

Uk
Chances of dying from corona .04%
- late to lockdown and Large population

Ireland
Chances of dying from corona .025%
- early to lockdown and small population.
Half of Sweden’s population

America
Chances of dying from corona .019%
- Donald trump has received world criticism and is held been personally accountable for the thousands of deaths

Time to open up?

There could be a second wave. They all have their eyes on the Spanish Flu. Time to open everything except pubs and ready to hit the light switch back to isolation if figures skyrocket, sure.
I think they'll depend on our behaviour / misbehaviour over the bank holiday to make a final choice.

road_high

gauchesnell wrote: »

wow...yeah there is a lot of PS hate at the moment which is understandable I suppose. We are still getting paid cos we are working from home - unfortunately some jobs cannot be done from home.

There will always be messers no matter where you work.

I despise working from home though

I don’t get it. If people wanted to join the ps there has been ample opportunities to do so in the past 5 years. Obviously there will be a recruitment bar now but might lift if the economy recovers quickly.
The focus needs to be getting us all back to work for all our sakes.
I know lots in the PS working away from home, doubly different as it’s not something they normally do unlike many of us that always did it with laptops etc- many wouldn’t have even had a laptop for to encryption and security protocols. There’s much more of a very rigid office culture in the PS.

lord quackinton

updated - figures taken from worldometer

Sweden
Chances of dying from corona .025%
- no lockdown

Uk
Chances of dying from corona .04%
- late to lockdown and Large population

Ireland
Chances of dying from corona .025%
- early to lockdown and small population.
Half of Sweden’s population

America
Chances of dying from corona .019%
- Donald trump has received world criticism and is held been personally accountable for the thousands of deaths

Time to open up?

FloatingVoter

gauchesnell wrote: »

wow...yeah there is a lot of PS hate at the moment which is understandable I suppose. We are still getting paid cos we are working from home - unfortunately some jobs cannot be done from home.

There will always be messers no matter where you work.

I despise working from home though

I could easily get used to it. Introvert v. extrovert, maybe. Or my micromanaging boss:rolleyes:. There will certainly be psychology theses written on these strange times.

gauchesnell

FloatingVoter wrote: »

It's not official newspaper time. Just getting in early and get up to speed. Lads that I know working on sites do exactly the same. They just want to know about stuff going on in the world. I'd be doing the same if I was working in a bakery or a bar.

I could call it cartwheel time but my back is shot. And I'm not doing Yoga for the same reason.

ah jesus - you mean while reading my emails checking online to see if we have another pandemic. I can check my voicemails and read stuff online though.

ah i thought it was some gimmick I was missing.

gauchesnell

road_high wrote: »

Other side of the coin- I worked much harder in the PS role I worked than the private role I’m in now- so much more autonomy and decision making.
Probably more specific to the role, but I had tons of clients always ringing me, scheme deadlines etc.- if you didn’t do the job you’d be stirring up big problems.
You were also chained to a desk or on visits 9-5 with a weekly diary to fill in of your activities. I couldn’t hack that now.

wow...yeah there is a lot of PS hate at the moment which is understandable I suppose. We are still getting paid cos we are working from home - unfortunately some jobs cannot be done from home.

There will always be messers no matter where you work.

I despise working from home though

FloatingVoter

gauchesnell wrote: »

????maybe. I think I have worked in one area like that but not currently or recently.

Definitely no newspaper time in my experience so far in PS.

It's not official newspaper time. Just getting in early and get up to speed. Lads that I know working on sites do exactly the same. They just want to know about stuff going on in the world. I'd be doing the same if I was working in a bakery or a bar.

I could call it cartwheel time but my back is shot. And I'm not doing Yoga for the same reason.

road_high

Other side of the coin- I worked much harder in the PS role I worked than the private role I’m in now- so much more autonomy and decision making.
Probably more specific to the role, but I had tons of clients always ringing me, scheme deadlines etc.- if you didn’t do the job you’d be stirring up big problems.
You were also chained to a desk or on visits 9-5 with a weekly diary to fill in of your activities. I couldn’t hack that now.

gauchesnell

FloatingVoter wrote: »

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Privileged. But easily found. I'm sure that's true of most office cultures though. You turn up half asleep and you go home half dazed. Then it's time to get up again.

????maybe. I think I have worked in one area like that but not currently or recently.

Definitely no newspaper time in my experience so far in PS.

FloatingVoter

gauchesnell wrote: »

oh dear where do you work!!!!

none of the above thanks

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Privileged. But easily found. I'm sure that's true of most office cultures though. You turn up half asleep and you go home half dazed. Then it's time to get up again.

gauchesnell

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Reading the newspapers to find out what brilliant statements our glorious leaders have made the night before to at least appear aware of what is going on. That I'd count as work. Keeping up with the Kardashians, swapping cake recipes and Wondering if Jack got off with Jill last night is the idling time.

I just mean we're not robots. Once clocked in we're not exactly on the job. No more than when clocked out we're off it.

oh dear where do you work!!!!

none of the above thanks

FloatingVoter

gauchesnell wrote: »

ah grand. still wondering what newspaper time is

Reading the newspapers to find out what brilliant statements our glorious leaders have made the night before to at least appear aware of what is going on. That I'd count as work. Keeping up with the Kardashians, swapping cake recipes and wondering if Jack got off with Jill last night is the idling time.

I just mean we're not robots. Once clocked in we're not exactly on the job. No more than when clocked out we're off it.

gauchesnell

FloatingVoter wrote: »

No - flexi is gone during the pandemic. I'm talking about the normal hours in normal times. 1.5 times 12 = 18.

It's about as sweeping as the last circular.

ah grand. still wondering what newspaper time is

KrustyUCC

Long_Wave wrote: »

They are obviously waiting for the uk

That will be a very very long wait

gauchesnell

gmisk wrote: »

I have been in PS 16+ years and definitely not heard of a productivity allowance. You get flexitime if you are below a certain grade only (below AP).
As for your first and last hour thing....not in my experience I am lucky to get 30 minutes for lunch.

I know...thanks. Im over 20 years PS and I have no idea what that means.

FloatingVoter

gauchesnell wrote: »

nope and nope - speaking for myself thats incorrect. such a sweeping statement.

and at present we can work up 1.5 days per month flexi. No flexi while working from home.

No - flexi is gone during the pandemic. I'm talking about the normal hours in normal times. 1.5 times 12 = 18.

It's about as sweeping as the last circular.

gmisk

FloatingVoter wrote: »

No productivity allowance. At least not in this century. We do get flexi-time. You can work up to 18 days a year off by early starts and late finishes on the other days.

In reality, discount that first and last hour of work as teabreak / newspaper / gossip time. Most people manage about 5 or 6 days a year of flexi.

Anyone with long commutes or school runs isn't really at the party.

I have been in CS 16+ years and definitely not heard of a productivity allowance. You get flexitime if you are below a certain grade only (below AP). It isn't available while wfh I would think as well.
As for your first and last hour thing....not in my experience I am lucky to get 30 minutes for lunch.

gauchesnell

FloatingVoter wrote: »

No productivity allowance. At least not in this century. We do get flexi-time. You can work up to 18 days a year off by early starts and late finishes on the other days.

In reality, discount that first and last hour of work as teabreak / newspaper / gossip time. Most people manage about 5 or 6 days a year of flexi.

nope and nope - speaking for myself thats incorrect. such a sweeping statement.

and at present we can work up 1.5 days per month flexi. No flexi while working from home.

whats newspaper time

gmisk

Mickla wrote: »

Never heard of "productivity allowance" in the civil service and I worked in a good few departments. Do you have experience of working in the public sector and if so what area has this?

I have worked in the civil service for 16+ years I have never heard of it....

Jinglejangle69

FloatingVoter wrote: »

No productivity allowance. At least not in this century. We do get flexi-time. You can work up to 18 days a year off by early starts and late finishes on the other days.

In reality, discount that first and last hour of "work" as teabreak / newspaper / gossip time. Most people manage about 5 or 6 days a year of flexi.

Huh?

FloatingVoter

No productivity allowance. At least not in this century. We do get flexi-time. You can work up to 18 days a year off by early starts and late finishes on the other days.

In reality, discount that first and last hour of work as teabreak / newspaper / gossip time. Most people manage about 5 or 6 days a year of flexi.

Anyone with long commutes or school runs isn't really at the party.

blackcard

WHO recommends 1 metre social distancing, Singapore is following this recommendation. Australia and Belgium have 1.5 metres. Could make a big difference for restaurants and other places of work.

[Deleted User]

Spencer Brown wrote: »

In all seriousness, you could have a lash off doing it yourself, the dog won't judge you if you don't do a great job :pac: We bought a few bits to groom our dogs about a month ago expecting that the groomer wouldn't be an option for a while. Give it a go might save a lot of money in the long run.

This poster already said she tried to groom the dog herself but that the dog wouldn’t let her near him. A lot of dogs are very nervous of being groomed.
If she felt she could do it herself , especially seeing as she is obviously upset at the state of the dog, she wouldn’t have a problem in the first place.

This is an animal welfare issue so it’s important. It’s not about getting the dogs toenails painted !

gauchesnell

Mickla wrote: »

Never heard of "productivity allowance" in the civil service and I worked in a good few departments. Do you have experience of working in the public sector and if so what area has this?

Yeah I think this was a joke. Would love a productivity allowance myself