growleaves wrote: » Lol When it was rising exponentially and people such as yourself were hearing the word "exponential" for the first time, you refused to believe that it would rise, level out and drop of itself - just like every UTRI does year after year, decade after decade including normal strains of influenza and extraordinary diseases like Hong Kong Flu, Asian Flu, encephalitica lethargica. So you bought into the lockdown emotionally and then.. the disease levelled out and dropped just like most other diseases. Emotionally the lockdown has been vindicated in your mind and there's nothing more to be said. Scientifically, we are still at the beginning of comprehension and have to start trying to establish what did and didn't happen and why. Like I said, it has to be studied by someone who understands the subject.
greenfield21 wrote: » I think we're going to see a full lifting of restrictions next week, its the right time the people have had enough. Its time for the big reopening to get the economy back on track.
smelly sock wrote: » I wouldn't. The hospitality sector will ramp up gouging in the aftermath of this.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Expected outcome: 5x deaths Action: lockdown Result: 1x deaths Cause: definitely not the lockdown, no evidence, sure that’s what would have happened anyway, sure they changed the models, and the country that was 5x was different anyway
D3V!L wrote: » We're being fed some sh!t from the media and government about this coming weekend, compliance and check points. I'm a key worker and had to go into work for literally 10 minutes this evening. I live in North County Dublin, work in Dublin 1 and passed one single checkpoint which was small and a single Garda car out on patrol during my 50 kilometre round trip. To top it off the M1 was full of cars and trucks on the way into and out of town. Around Drumcondra had a very large footfall and on the way home through Swords , Santry it was the same.
Discodog wrote: » Finland opening all schools on May 15th.
growleaves wrote: » What you have is a cause-and-effect assumption - then you've jumped to a conclusion. This cause-and-effect assumption has to be tested by an inquiry, i.e. Were other aggravated factors in place in Lombardy which caused it be particularly bad? To what extent were these factors operative compared to other regions? To what extent had Ireland increased its ICU capacity? etc.
uli84 wrote: » Is there any country actually NOT opening apart from the UK?
tobefrank321 wrote: » That doesn't tell us if shutting down the entire country versus properly isolating a narrow section would make a difference in numbers. Sweden have taken the latter approach and now have a lesser death rate than us. Personally I favoured the NZ or Taiwanese effort at containment but that boat has long since sailed. The idea that we can contain this is long past. That leaves living with it until a vaccine and mitigating risks to those most likely to die or end up in ICU in a very specific and targetted way. By the way we are very likely to hit 5000 deaths from this on the current path.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » No we are the strictest in Europe now. But its not actually a leadership issue, its purely because of proven complacency on our behalf. Seismic activity has been through the roof and Tony is fed up of our behavior. He said he was going to lift all the restrictions but not any more and we are to stay in our rooms
iamwhoiam wrote: » This might help us all to stay in when we get annoyed at the restrictionshttps://www.rte.ie/culture/2020/0429/1135577-nursing-home-chaos-diary-of-a-pandemic-doctor/
CruelSummer wrote: » So disappointed in what I’m seeing today. Felt a semblance of hope when Sam McConky finally spoke some sense to RTÉ this morning. However that was followed by Leo with vague answers and no idea what he’s going to do next. Culminating in none other than George Lee sitting on the RTÉ news couch setting out the checklist needed to exit lockdown - is he a health minister or doctor? Is this a leak? Why is he giving us this list? Has no one else the courage to speak to the public? What have the government and HSE been doing for the past few weeks if not planning for entry and exit strategies to this lockdown. I’m disgusted that the ball has been dropped on this issue. It is the biggest decision that has been taken regarding the population in 100 years or more. It is not something that should be extended by one single day never mind weeks unless it is absolutely necessary. This is regarding people’s quality of life, Ireland’s ability to pay the bills, societal collapse and dysfunction, a cancer epidemic, depression and anxiety, etc. To those who are in charge, wake up!
Deleted User wrote: » You have failed to address a single point I made with any evidence to back it up.
No, we are to believe you based on because.
uli84 wrote: » Hope this is a joke, especially schools opened in Septhttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/revealed-phased-plan-to-exit-coronavirus-lockdown-in-ireland-may-see-cafes-reopen-by-midsummer-1.4240404?mode=amp
uli84 wrote: » Why is todays announcement at 8pm? Do they need more time to think what number to come up with?
CalamariFritti wrote: » Just coming out saying the numbers aren't 'good enough' is actually not good enough. Not doubting that they aren't, but if you say something like that you also need to say what number is good enough. There need to be hard measurements for what 'good enough' is. Goal posts have been shifted a couple of times already. I understand its a fluid and unprecedented situation, but so are the restrictions in their severity and length. They are in fact so severe for any western democracy that the government must expect full scrutiny at all times with regards to their appropriacy, proportionality and ultimately legitimacy. It is our right and our duty as citizens to hold our government to this standard and they should not expect anything else from us. What I'm seeing right now isn't good enough in that regard. Communication is lazy at best borderline outrageous at worst. We also need to see some plan B. What if we can't get the numbers down any time soon to 'good enough'? There has to be a plan for that case, too. There should be one already. The government needs to get the finger out. Time to get from just reacting to stuff to making stuff happen. Swiftly.
dundalkfc10 wrote: » Well there not gonna be open before Sept
appledrop wrote: » Yep nearly 50% of all deaths from Covid are in Nursing Homes. Its a disgrace. Continuing lockdown for another 2 weeks will do nothing to solve this at all. They need personnel in Nursing home now + move residents to isolation units elsewhere if necessary. What about all the private hospitial beds lying empty? They could be used for over crowded nursing homes.
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