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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Cyrus

EDit wrote: »

Really interesting stuff. Would love to know theories as to why deaths are below normal for Ireland’s 65 yrs+ group. Is it simply because they are all safely tucked up at home?

maybe, what it does show is that there arent really any more people dying that would have normally despite what some people want to or would have you believe.

Henry Ford III

the kelt wrote: »

Each to their own, it was defintely a cause of concern for Vicky Phelan over the weekend.

No offence but not exactly the greatest of benchmarks to measure yourself against.

As long as we are better than Trump and Boris!!

None taken.

I just think the handling of this has been relatively good to date.

I've no politics incidentally. They are all equally rubbish.

GazzaL

Rodin wrote: »

You're one of those people who finds fault but never puts forward any suggestions/ideas

Not only have I put forward suggestions and ideas, I've taken action too. There are loads of businesses out there who are ready to open up, they've got hand sanitiser, PPE, social distancing plans etc. We need to be pragmatic and safe.

the kelt

Henry Ford III wrote: »

None taken.

I just think the handling of this has been relatively good to date.

I've no politics incidentally. They are all equally rubbish.

Fair enough.

I disagree on the basis of

The promised ramping up of testing that hasnt happened
The mismanagement of a huge proportion of nursing homes with no representative from the nursing homes on the NPHET despite requests
Issues with PPE

But ye know what at this stage theres eff all we can do about it whether we agree or disagree in all honesty.

Breezin

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Remember when we were asked to stay at home and take sensible precautions and we ended up with every sightseeing location in the country being wedged?

Those breaching the restrictions are a vanishingly small minority.

The fact that they get amplified in political messaging to suit the lockdown, in tabloid rags and in social hysterical media should not be part of the equation.

Police the hot spots, and those blatantly flouting the key restrictions. Let the rest of us get on with out lives responsibly, and free of this childish naughty step politics.

Freedom comes with responsibility, which the vast majority have demonstrated. The lockdowners don't trust the Irish, it seems, based on pretty objectionable national stereotypes.

SusieBlue

I see a few TD’s are pleading with Leo & Simon to allow animal grooming facilities open on the 5th.

My own dog has a coat that requires grooming every 6 weeks, he was booked in for mid March but the appointment was cancelled because animal groomers were not considered to be an essential service & they had to close.
My poor fella is so overdue a grooming at this stage that he’s absolutely miserable, I can’t even take him for long walks on warm days any more because he’s overheating from the weight of his fur.
He can barely see, his eyes are so overgrown in long hair. I already tried to get at him with a razor but he wouldn’t let me near him. We have taken to tying the fur on top of his head into a ponytail to keep it out of his eyes and face.
He’s very uncomfortable and needs to be seen to asap.

Very little human contact is needed to operate these kinds of facilities so there is no reason why they should not be allowed reopen on Tuesday. They absolutely are an essential service and they should never have had to close in the first place.

Charles Babbage

easypazz wrote: »

That's a bit like saying dig up the roads forever so people don't die in car crashes.

No, but we have a large range of rules on how you use the road.
Lockdown can only be eased if there are detailed rules to be followed and enforcement of these. Business can reopen if they run hygienically, and so they need to limit the number of people, require masks, provide staff with PPE etc.

jrosen

The segment on the nursing homes last night was really hard to watch. Some of them are at breaking point. Its crazy that they cant be tested immediately the way other medical staff are.

Why are we still having testing issues? Why have we not been able to increase the number of tests. They keep saying we need more testing and the turn around of that testing to be much quicker if we hope to see any return to "normal" So what is the hold up?

ixoy

Charles Babbage wrote: »

No, but we have a large range of rules on how you use the road.
Lockdown can only be eased if there are detailed rules to be followed and enforcement of these. Business can reopen if they run hygienically, and so they need to limit the number of people, require masks, provide staff with PPE etc.

The French plan allows businesses to make decision on whether customers must wear face masks. It seems like a good idea as the customer must adhere, at a minimum, to the standards that those running the shop feel comfortable with. And in general a lot of people would be fine with these compromise approaches and that's what we'd look towards but the early indications from our government aren't hopeful.

D.Q

SusieBlue wrote: »

I see a few TD’s are pleading with Leo & Simon to allow animal grooming facilities open on the 5th.

My own dog has a coat that requires grooming every 6 weeks, he was booked in for mid March but the appointment was cancelled because animal groomers were not considered to be an essential service & they had to close.
My poor fella is so overdue a grooming at this stage that he’s absolutely miserable, I can’t even take him for long walks on warm days any more because he’s overheating from the weight of his fur.
He can barely see, his eyes are so overgrown in long hair. I already tried to get at him with a razor but he wouldn’t let me near him. We have taken to tying the fur on top of his head into a ponytail to keep it out of his eyes and face.
He’s very uncomfortable and needs to be seen to asap.

Very little human contact is needed to operate these kinds of facilities so there is no reason why they should not be allowed reopen on Tuesday. They absolutely are an essential service and they should never have had to close in the first place.

Dya reckon they'd do a skin fade for me

thegetawaycar

timmy_mallet wrote: »

What manufacturing? The length of time it takes to invest and create the infrastructure to manufacture won't be workable.

Printing money at this level to give to people to spend will create massive inflation. Simple as that.

You think we have no manufacturing in Ireland?

The US and Britain have/are printing money, we would literally be matching what other economies are doing.

easypazz

Henry Ford III wrote: »

That very sad issue and Covid19 are of course unrelated wouldn't you agree?

Holohan and the HSE are common denominators.

They sent COVID-19 positive patients into care homes and things went wrong.

Penfailed

Long_Wave wrote: »

That was just social media Hysteria

It wasn't though. Everywhere was jammed.

road_high

JRant wrote: »

Can't agree there. It's been a poorly managed effort from the start. The restrictions have been poorly planned from the beginning and the exit strategy is none existent.

What key points have they performed well in exactly?

I think there was a large element of "hope for the best" as with all very reactionary measures- you hope they'll blow over.

easypazz

SusieBlue wrote: »

I see a few TD’s are pleading with Leo & Simon to allow animal grooming facilities open on the 5th.

My own dog has a coat that requires grooming every 6 weeks, he was booked in for mid March but the appointment was cancelled because animal groomers were not considered to be an essential service & they had to close.
My poor fella is so overdue a grooming at this stage that he’s absolutely miserable, I can’t even take him for long walks on warm days any more because he’s overheating from the weight of his fur.
He can barely see, his eyes are so overgrown in long hair. I already tried to get at him with a razor but he wouldn’t let me near him. We have taken to tying the fur on top of his head into a ponytail to keep it out of his eyes and face.
He’s very uncomfortable and needs to be seen to asap.

Very little human contact is needed to operate these kinds of facilities so there is no reason why they should not be allowed reopen on Tuesday. They absolutely are an essential service and they should never have had to close in the first place.

Why would they bother though if the can keep getting their €350 a week.

CalamariFritti

easypazz wrote: »

Holohan and the HSE are common denominators.

They sent COVID-19 positive patients into care homes and things went wrong.

I've seen that being said a few times now. Is there any source for this? Not doubting just wanna know.

thegetawaycar

Breezin wrote: »

Those breaching the restrictions are a vanishingly small minority.

The fact that they get amplified in political messaging to suit the lockdown, in tabloid rags and in social hysterical media should not be part of the equation.

Police the hot spots, and those blatantly flouting the key restrictions. Let the rest of us get on with out lives responsibly, and free of this childish naughty step politics.

Freedom comes with responsibility, which the vast majority have demonstrated. The lockdowners don't trust the Irish, it seems, based on pretty objectionable national stereotypes.

I just want to question 2 points 1. What do you believe "Let the rest of us get on with out lives responsibly, and free of this childish naughty step politics." means to you?

The old "normal" is gone and we aren't going back to it for a long time, the travel abroad we are used to is unlikely to reappear in the near future, attending sporting events too, pubs and restaurants (unless they can adhere to social distancing (including the number of staff in the kitchen preparing it) will remain closed for a long time.

2. "Police the hot spots, and those blatantly flouting the key restrictions." What are the Key restrictions and if the lockdown laws aren't in place as we are letting people "get on with" our lives, then what exactly are they enforcing?

LeYouth

How did dogs manage in the middle ages.

Penfailed

easypazz wrote: »

Holohan and the HSE are common denominators.

They sent COVID-19 positive patients into care homes and things went wrong.

Right. Third time lucky. Can you explain why they are having serious issues in nursing homes in NI, the rest of the UK, Germany, Spain, etc., etc.? Even in Donegal were patients were not transferred have had problems.

road_high

Penfailed wrote: »

It wasn't though. Everywhere was jammed.

Where's "everywhere"? Glendalough (which can't take a big crowd in my experience) and some of the beaches. Vast majority of places were/are shuttered with no one there.

easypazz

Penfailed wrote: »

It wasn't though. Everywhere was jammed.

Did you visit them all yourself and do an audit?

How do you know "everywhere" was jammed?

rusty the athlete

Concretejungle wrote: »

They obviously know better and we have to respect that.

You must be joking.

Penfailed

road_high wrote: »

Where's "everywhere"? Glendalough (which can't take a big crowd in my experience) and some of the beaches. Vast majority of places were/are shuttered with no one there.

Donegal was rammed.

easypazz

Penfailed wrote: »

Right. Third time lucky. Can you explain why they are having serious issues in nursing homes in NI, the rest of the UK, Germany, Spain, etc., etc.? Even in Donegal were patients were not transferred have had problems.

Why are you asking me to explain what happened in foreign countries?

How on earth would I know?

ChikiChiki

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Which exact part is nonsense? what do you disagree with and why exactly?

"lockdown is killing more people than CV 19, that is obvious"

You posted that statement. Back it up with the fact.

I disagree with it because it is a blatent lie.

Penfailed

easypazz wrote: »

Did you visit them all yourself and do an audit?

How do you know "everywhere" was jammed?

Of course I didn't. You're being facetious. It wasn't 'social media hysteria'.

[Deleted User]

LeYouth wrote: »

How did dogs manage in the middle ages.

They were bred for practicality not aesthetics

Multipass

LeYouth wrote: »

How did dogs manage in the middle ages.

They weren’t bred away from health, that’s happened in the last 100 years.

showpony1

SusieBlue wrote: »

I see a few TD’s are pleading with Leo & Simon to allow animal grooming facilities open on the 5th.

My own dog has a coat that requires grooming every 6 weeks, he was booked in for mid March but the appointment was cancelled because animal groomers were not considered to be an essential service & they had to close.
My poor fella is so overdue a grooming at this stage that he’s absolutely miserable, I can’t even take him for long walks on warm days any more because he’s overheating from the weight of his fur.
He can barely see, his eyes are so overgrown in long hair. I already tried to get at him with a razor but he wouldn’t let me near him. We have taken to tying the fur on top of his head into a ponytail to keep it out of his eyes and face.
He’s very uncomfortable and needs to be seen to asap.

Very little human contact is needed to operate these kinds of facilities so there is no reason why they should not be allowed reopen on Tuesday. They absolutely are an essential service and they should never have had to close in the first place.

No wonder Leo is probably cracking up at this stage - TD's pleading with him to let a load of bloody doggos get their hair cut as an essential service.

Penfailed

easypazz wrote: »

Why are you asking me to explain what happened in foreign countries?

How on earth would I know?

I'm pointing out that lots of countries are having issues with nursing homes. You're fixated with the HSE and what happened in SOME nursing homes in Ireland.