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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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KrustyUCC

Yup but a hell of a lot open

Also gatherings of up to 50 by 1st June

Be very interesting to see how they get on

road_high

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Hoping that the plan if released in Friday has some substance to it.
Highly demoralising looking at other countries right across the EU starting to lift restrictions and giving people aims and dates to work towards. If you look at Poland for example they'll be realistically back to normal in June and we could be essentially still where we are now.

Let's see what Friday brings

More waffle, pats on the head but no real changes. Utter lemons

stephenjmcd

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Will it be extended by 1 or 2 weeks I wonder? Hopefully just the one

2 more than likely, it's simply buying the HSE time to get testing and contact tracing up to scratch, same thing we were told a few weeks ago.

walshb

Anyone see that video doing the rounds of a car stopped on the quays in Dublin it looks like. One Gardai directly in front of the car, as his female colleague speaks to the female occupant of the car? My god, what a toerag of a woman that the female Gardai has to deal with. Well spoken woman, but really vile....I saw it on FB this morning.

Benimar

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Will it be extended by 1 or 2 weeks I wonder? Hopefully just the one

At a guess I'd say 12 days. Current restrictions end on a Tuesday night, so 12 days brings it to midnight Sunday 17th.

stephenjmcd

Hoping that the plan if released in Friday has some substance to it.
Highly demoralising looking at other countries right across the EU starting to lift restrictions and giving people aims and dates to work towards. If you look at Poland for example they'll be realistically back to normal in June and we could be essentially still where we are now.

Let's see what Friday brings

ninebeanrows

Will it be extended by 1 or 2 weeks I wonder? Hopefully just the one

munsterlegend

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Poland has announced more restrictions to be lifted. A broad range of services to open up over the next month. Details attached

No opening of schools it seems only for childcare staff.

KrustyUCC

Presume they will be made essential when given the chance to open up?

Banana Republic.

batman_oh wrote: »

One thing I can't quite understand in the suggested first phase of relaxation is that the garden centres and DIY places are going to open, but you aren't allowed drive to them as that's not essential. So nobody can go unless they walk within their 2km area of exercise and carry the things home? If you are more than 2km away from them you can't go. So why bother opening when some are already doing online ordering?

Agreed and distance restrictions would need to go hand in hand.

batman_oh

One thing I can't quite understand in the suggested first phase of relaxation is that the garden centres and DIY places are going to open, but you aren't allowed drive to them as that's not essential. So nobody can go there unless they fall within their 2km area of exercise. So why bother opening when some are already doing online ordering?

stephenjmcd

Poland has announced more restrictions to be lifted. A broad range of services to open up over the next month. Details attached

is_that_so

the kelt wrote: »

I seen Gavan Reilly asking a few questions this morning amongst others.

So it now seems the inability to carry out 100k weekly #COVID19ireland tests is one of the factors against relaxing lockdown. Yet it was explained at the weekend that we hadn’t expanded capacity to 15k a day (105k a week) because there wasn’t a case workload to require it?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1255399732601671686?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

I wonder if Tony had a chance to approve and sign off those meeting minutes hes been hiding from the public since March 31st i mean theres no history of issues with transparency there or anything????

I think it's the ability of the system to respond that is more crucial, that 24 hour turnaround. The 100K, as I understand it, is to make sure we have a big enough capacity to test effectively. We don't appear to have a current need for so many tests but it should be there as a proper responsive system.

seamus

uli84 wrote: »

I still don’t get it who they want to be testing? Healthy people?

Absolutely. In order to properly drive this thing back, we'd lke to be testing contacts of confirmed cases. Someone in a workplace gets it? The whole workplace gets tested.

At the moment we're still sitting back and waiting for cases to come forward. This creates a lag and is one of the main reasons why numbers can explode out of control again.

If we can get ahead of it by detecting cases before they come forward, then we can keep the reproduction rate low without widespread restrictions.

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Confirmation this morning that the restrictions will not be lifted or eased from May 5th.

That's not what he said though.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I can't believe how many seem to be in the denial phase of the crisis curve. I'd have expected more in the acceptance phase by now.

Funny to see the amount of people on this thread crying about the amount of money that's been spent.

My big lament is that when this is all over there will incessant years of whining about how FG spent billions and put us all in the poor house for a lockdown that was never necessary.
These people don't seem to consider the damage that would have been caused if there was no emergency unemployment payment and no business supports.

"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all".

Penfailed

Firefork wrote: »

They sure did
And residential hospitals who
We’re virus free

Can you explain the issues in residential hospitals/nursing homes in the UK, in Spain, in Germany? Or even closer to home, in Donegal where there was no transfer of patients? It's not solely down to HSE incompetence.

Jinglejangle69

Penfailed wrote: »

I'm not denying that. It's the petulant, "we've done our bit," thing I have an issue with. By the sound of things, we'll have to continue 'doing our bit' for another while yet.

Sounds like a 4 year old tantrum.

facehugger99

boring accountant wrote: »

We have already set the equivalent of 7 brand new children’s hospitals on fire and we’re only a month in.

We're on course for 30 Children's hospitals for the year!

The morons peddling the 'lives matter more than the economy' platitudes are too dumb to see how may lives we are going to lose due to the lockdown.

the kelt

I seen Gavan Reilly asking a few questions this morning amongst others.

So it now seems the inability to carry out 100k weekly #COVID19ireland tests is one of the factors against relaxing lockdown. Yet it was explained at the weekend that we hadn’t expanded capacity to 15k a day (105k a week) because there wasn’t a case workload to require it?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1255399732601671686?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

I wonder if Tony had a chance to approve and sign off those meeting minutes hes been hiding from the public since March 31st i mean theres no history of issues with transparency there or anything????

stephenjmcd

Posted this in the main thread but worthwhile going in here

https://twitter.com/RCarrollTV/status/1255422742263988224?s=19

Penfailed

easypazz wrote: »

He is right though.

They sent infected people to nursing homes and the virus spread like wildfire.

I'm not denying that. It's the petulant, "we've done our bit," thing I have an issue with. By the sound of things, we'll have to continue 'doing our bit' for another while yet.

Multipass

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well, most of the over 70's are following government advice to the letter...

people-may-be-told-to-stay-home-to-allow-over-70s-exercise

In big cities maybe, utter nonsense in rural Ireland. Lots of over 70s have been out through the whole thing, come on half the farmers in Ireland are over 70. My parents in their 80s have been exercising as much as they like.

is_that_so

GazzaL wrote: »

The HSE plans lots of things. Their plans aren't worth the paper they're written on. What happens if they fail again to hit those targets come 18th May?

They managed to get us a huge PPE order and upped ICU capacity, along with setting up 50 or so test centres. They can complete tests on close to 10000 now but it's the challenge of doing that in real time - i.e. 24-36 hours. I think they'll get there in and around that timeframe.

Sierra Oscar

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It's a self made recession for want of a better way to put it. Lockdown measures are what stopped the economy in its tracks, longer they go on the worse it gets. Tanking economy = less money for health services

The economy was screwed irrespective of the lockdown.

There would have been a serious drop in the numbers of people out in pubs, restaurants or attending large gatherings if the virus was spreading rampantly in the community. It's highly likely that the uncontrolled spread of the virus would have seriously damaged the economy regardless over a longer period of time.

Firefork

easypazz wrote: »

He is right though.

They sent infected people to nursing homes and the virus spread like wildfire.

They sure did
And residential hospitals who
We’re virus free

Penfailed

GazzaL wrote: »

We should ease restrictions and allow people to achieve a certain level of normality. We'll all be dead before the HSE sorts itself out. We need to use social distancing, we need to use hand sanitiser or wash our hands regularly, we need to manage the movement of people, simple stuff that was all being implemented prior to the lockdown. A lot of businesses are ready to adapt, they've been working on this for weeks.

That ^^^ reads much better than, "The HSE can get ****ed, we've done our bit," call to arms you posted earlier.

Kermit.de.frog

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Lockdown measures are what stopped the economy in its tracks

The 'lockdown' (it's not a lockdown) is a symptom not a cause.

The economy was going to be severely damaged regardless as countries closed borders and trade with each other.

I can't believe how many seem to be in the denial phase of the crisis curve. I'd have expected more in the acceptance phase by now.

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stephenjmcd wrote: »

Government was told yesterday that the department of social protection and department of business are both out of budget in June, the whole budget for the year gone. Now I'm sure some people on here will say they can just borrow, yes they can borrow but they cant borrow indefinitely, we've already borrowed and its unsustainable going forward.
Given the minister for finance was yesterday urging for more business to be allowed to reopen there is now quite clearly a point where dept of finance says economy must be allowed to reopen. Minster for finances press conference was pretty bleak I just get the feeling its alot more bleaker than he said at the time.

It mirrors what the frence prime minister said yesterday, they were starting to relax restrictions to get back to some normality in order to save the economy from ruin

It might have helped our budget if the Government hadn’t decided to give everyone €350 the minute this started. My nephew who is 20 and worked part time at weekends as pizza delivery (€120 per week) is now on €350 Covid payment and has been for 5 weeks, His employer asked him to go back to his job this weekend and nephew has said ‘No’ as he will lose his Covid €350 payment !

Gael23

ixoy wrote: »

Or something about how we want people to die because we're mad to go to the pub.

Grandparents want to see their grandchildren while they are still alive too

easypazz

Penfailed wrote: »

That's a really really immature statement.

He is right though.

They sent infected people to nursing homes and the virus spread like wildfire.

ixoy

LiquidZeb wrote: »

You can try explaining that to people but they'll just give the old cliche 'lives matter more than the economy' neglecting to elaborate what's going to pay all the social welfare and keep the health services afloat.

Or something about how we want people to die because we're mad to go to the pub.