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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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ixoy

So France has issued its plans (can be seen on BBC News for one) and it includes proper targets, ways to mitigate against transmission (masks) and strategies for rolling back. That's the sort of framework that I'd be much happier to see announced.

munsterlegend

uli84 wrote: »

Well i have family in France and there is not much difference, the whole social distancing is a nonsense anyway, whoever is meant to catch the virus will catch it social distancing or not, especially in school setting

I suppose the whole plan is to limit numbers with Covid as much as possible so as our health service isn’t overrun. Social distancing helps as numbers have indicated. How is Denmark doing since it reopened schools?

boring accountant

Penfailed wrote: »

I'll say it. There will be a global recession.

There will be a global recession. Sweden is projection to contract by 4%. Countries like Ireland and america where lockdowns have been more stringent the projections are closer to 20-30%. JPM is projecting the US economy will contract by 40% annualised this quarter. Virtually all of the decline is attributable to the lockdown measures and not the virus itself.

munsterlegend

boring accountant wrote: »

There will be a global recession. Sweden is projection to contract by 4%. Countries like Ireland and america where lockdowns have been more stringent the projections are closer to 20-30%. JPM is projecting the US economy will contract by 40% annualised this quarter. Virtually all of the decline is attributable to the lockdown measures and not the virus itself.

You can’t close down economic activity and not have a recession of sorts! Consumer confidence is/will be majorly affected.

Tourism in Ireland this year is effectively decimated. Sad to see.

Gael23

Cocooning first the foreseeable future is not going to work

GazzaL

Penfailed wrote: »

Your comment read like a spoilt child not getting his way. The reason for restrictions easing around Europe are due to the fact that they are further down the road than we are. They've had harsher restrictions than we had in the first place. Spanish kids got to go OUTSIDE for the first time in six weeks at the weekend. They also have better equipped health services to cope. You said it yourself, the HSE is a shambles. Does that mean we should ignore restrictions out of spite and let it be overrun?

We should ease restrictions and allow people to achieve a certain level of normality. We'll all be dead before the HSE sorts itself out. We need to use social distancing, we need to use hand sanitiser or wash our hands regularly, we need to manage the movement of people, simple stuff that was all being implemented prior to the lockdown. A lot of businesses are ready to adapt, they've been working on this for weeks.

stephenjmcd

boring accountant wrote: »

There will be a global recession. Sweden is projection to contract by 4%. Countries like Ireland and america where lockdowns have been more stringent the projections are closer to 20-30%. JPM is projecting the US economy will contract by 40% annualised this quarter. Virtually all of the decline is attributable to the lockdown measures and not the virus itself.

It's a self made recession for want of a better way to put it. Lockdown measures are what stopped the economy in its tracks, longer they go on the worse it gets. Tanking economy = less money for health services

uli84

munsterlegend wrote: »

I suppose the whole plan is to limit numbers with Covid as much as possible so as our health service isn’t overrun. Social distancing helps as numbers have indicated. How is Denmark doing since it reopened schools?

No difference to what it was really by the looks of it

boring accountant

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It's a self made recession for want of a better way to put it. Lockdown measures are what stopped the economy in its tracks, longer they go on the worse it gets. Tanking economy = less money for health services

We have already set the equivalent of 7 brand new children’s hospitals on fire and we’re only a month in.

Sierra Oscar

Confirmation this morning that the restrictions will not be lifted or eased from May 5th.

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1255421347611791360

LiquidZeb

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It's a self made recession for want of a better way to put it. Lockdown measures are what stopped the economy in its tracks, longer they go on the worse it gets. Tanking economy = less money for health services

You can try explaining that to people but they'll just give the old cliche 'lives matter more than the economy' neglecting to elaborate what's going to pay all the social welfare and keep the health services afloat.

Banana Republic.

GazzaL wrote: »

There's nothing immature about it. We've hit out targets. The HSE haven't hit theirs. We're watching restrictions eased around Europe while we're being told how naughty we are, trying to deflect from the HSE's failure. People can't see their families and friends, they're losing their jobs and businesses because the HSE are a complete and utter shambles.

I don’t agree with the tone of your post but it’s not my language to use but your overall point I completely agree the HSE last night in the briefing were pulled on their waffle, the evidence is there in every single scandal of late and the HSE is as useful as a wet bag in holding chips. Allot of the measures can’t be lifted because it’ll show the HSE up for their failures. Restrictions were needed and we’ve done a hell of a job but HSE haven’t held up their side of the deal and they’re the professionals ( supposedly, don’t quote me on that)

Hooked

GazzaL wrote: »

We should ease restrictions and allow people to achieve a certain level of normality.

We'll all be dead before the HSE sorts itself out. We need to use social distancing, we need to use hand sanitiser or wash our hands regularly, we need to manage the movement of people, simple stuff that was all being implemented prior to the lockdown. A lot of businesses are ready to adapt, they've been working on this for weeks.

THIS... /\

We need to adopt a "lockdown" frame of mind... and start getting back to normal... `We've played our part for the last 6-8 weeks. Time for Leo, Simon and Tony to play theirs. Get the testing and other stuff sorted FFS. Give us a plan!!!

Get us moving. In our family units. While still adhering to social distancing etc...

Because a LOT of healthy, non smoking, young & SENSIBLE people would rather take their chances with Covid-19, than live like this!

easypazz

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Confirmation this morning that the restrictions will not be lifted or eased from May 5th.

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1255421347611791360

You are quoting a hack.

Link to official statement from Leo please.

ixoy

LiquidZeb wrote: »

You can try explaining that to people but they'll just give the old cliche 'lives matter more than the economy' neglecting to elaborate what's going to pay all the social welfare and keep the health services afloat.

Or something about how we want people to die because we're mad to go to the pub.

easypazz

Penfailed wrote: »

That's a really really immature statement.

He is right though.

They sent infected people to nursing homes and the virus spread like wildfire.

Gael23

ixoy wrote: »

Or something about how we want people to die because we're mad to go to the pub.

Grandparents want to see their grandchildren while they are still alive too

[Deleted User]

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Government was told yesterday that the department of social protection and department of business are both out of budget in June, the whole budget for the year gone. Now I'm sure some people on here will say they can just borrow, yes they can borrow but they cant borrow indefinitely, we've already borrowed and its unsustainable going forward.
Given the minister for finance was yesterday urging for more business to be allowed to reopen there is now quite clearly a point where dept of finance says economy must be allowed to reopen. Minster for finances press conference was pretty bleak I just get the feeling its alot more bleaker than he said at the time.

It mirrors what the frence prime minister said yesterday, they were starting to relax restrictions to get back to some normality in order to save the economy from ruin

It might have helped our budget if the Government hadn’t decided to give everyone €350 the minute this started. My nephew who is 20 and worked part time at weekends as pizza delivery (€120 per week) is now on €350 Covid payment and has been for 5 weeks, His employer asked him to go back to his job this weekend and nephew has said ‘No’ as he will lose his Covid €350 payment !

Kermit.de.frog

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Lockdown measures are what stopped the economy in its tracks

The 'lockdown' (it's not a lockdown) is a symptom not a cause.

The economy was going to be severely damaged regardless as countries closed borders and trade with each other.

I can't believe how many seem to be in the denial phase of the crisis curve. I'd have expected more in the acceptance phase by now.

Penfailed

GazzaL wrote: »

We should ease restrictions and allow people to achieve a certain level of normality. We'll all be dead before the HSE sorts itself out. We need to use social distancing, we need to use hand sanitiser or wash our hands regularly, we need to manage the movement of people, simple stuff that was all being implemented prior to the lockdown. A lot of businesses are ready to adapt, they've been working on this for weeks.

That ^^^ reads much better than, "The HSE can get ****ed, we've done our bit," call to arms you posted earlier.

Firefork

easypazz wrote: »

He is right though.

They sent infected people to nursing homes and the virus spread like wildfire.

They sure did
And residential hospitals who
We’re virus free

Sierra Oscar

stephenjmcd wrote: »

It's a self made recession for want of a better way to put it. Lockdown measures are what stopped the economy in its tracks, longer they go on the worse it gets. Tanking economy = less money for health services

The economy was screwed irrespective of the lockdown.

There would have been a serious drop in the numbers of people out in pubs, restaurants or attending large gatherings if the virus was spreading rampantly in the community. It's highly likely that the uncontrolled spread of the virus would have seriously damaged the economy regardless over a longer period of time.

is_that_so

GazzaL wrote: »

The HSE plans lots of things. Their plans aren't worth the paper they're written on. What happens if they fail again to hit those targets come 18th May?

They managed to get us a huge PPE order and upped ICU capacity, along with setting up 50 or so test centres. They can complete tests on close to 10000 now but it's the challenge of doing that in real time - i.e. 24-36 hours. I think they'll get there in and around that timeframe.

Multipass

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well, most of the over 70's are following government advice to the letter...

people-may-be-told-to-stay-home-to-allow-over-70s-exercise

In big cities maybe, utter nonsense in rural Ireland. Lots of over 70s have been out through the whole thing, come on half the farmers in Ireland are over 70. My parents in their 80s have been exercising as much as they like.

Penfailed

easypazz wrote: »

He is right though.

They sent infected people to nursing homes and the virus spread like wildfire.

I'm not denying that. It's the petulant, "we've done our bit," thing I have an issue with. By the sound of things, we'll have to continue 'doing our bit' for another while yet.

stephenjmcd

Posted this in the main thread but worthwhile going in here

https://twitter.com/RCarrollTV/status/1255422742263988224?s=19

the kelt

I seen Gavan Reilly asking a few questions this morning amongst others.

So it now seems the inability to carry out 100k weekly #COVID19ireland tests is one of the factors against relaxing lockdown. Yet it was explained at the weekend that we hadn’t expanded capacity to 15k a day (105k a week) because there wasn’t a case workload to require it?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1255399732601671686?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

I wonder if Tony had a chance to approve and sign off those meeting minutes hes been hiding from the public since March 31st i mean theres no history of issues with transparency there or anything????

facehugger99

boring accountant wrote: »

We have already set the equivalent of 7 brand new children’s hospitals on fire and we’re only a month in.

We're on course for 30 Children's hospitals for the year!

The morons peddling the 'lives matter more than the economy' platitudes are too dumb to see how may lives we are going to lose due to the lockdown.

Jinglejangle69

Penfailed wrote: »

I'm not denying that. It's the petulant, "we've done our bit," thing I have an issue with. By the sound of things, we'll have to continue 'doing our bit' for another while yet.

Sounds like a 4 year old tantrum.

Penfailed

Firefork wrote: »

They sure did
And residential hospitals who
We’re virus free

Can you explain the issues in residential hospitals/nursing homes in the UK, in Spain, in Germany? Or even closer to home, in Donegal where there was no transfer of patients? It's not solely down to HSE incompetence.