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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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is_that_so

kippy wrote: »

It's a draft plan without dates.
If date ranges get added where's the issue?
It's a plan that people have been asking for.

The dates would be fairly fluid I'd reckon anyway

I have a plan to start a business, but if this sentence is the only evidence of a plan it's no plan at all. This needs details for business planning, schools, parents, childcare etc. and for people's own sense of there being an exit from this. There has to be a start date and quite probably a flexible end one.

Idbatterim

And people here laugh at trump! We have the opposite extreme, schools boys who don't want to " own" anything !

Varadkar must have tons of kites outside leinster house ! And varadkar said sf cant be trusted with the economy!!! lol!!!! You ready for the next recession lads?

pjohnson

kippy wrote: »

It's a draft plan without dates.
If date ranges get added where's the issue?
It's a plan that people have been asking for.

The dates would be fairly fluid I'd reckon anyway

This is a key point that is ignored.

The idea seems to be that any date announced would equal 100% guarantee reopening is daft. Any large spike would delay the following parts of "the plan" anyway rendering it pointless.

plodder

drunkmonkey wrote: »

We're still in stage 1 according to Tony last night at the HSE briefing. Containment.

Even if the document itself isn't intended for public consumption, information in it definitely will be and it should formulated in a way that reflects the public's needs and concerns rather than the NPHET. The public don't really need to know about any distinction between initial and early phases - just that one phase follows another.

kippy

is_that_so wrote: »

In the IT story they describe an early draft without dates. That's a draft not a plan.

It's a draft plan without dates.
If date ranges get added where's the issue?
It's a plan that people have been asking for.

The dates would be fairly fluid I'd reckon anyway

pjohnson

kippy wrote: »

If that's the plan, what's the problem? People were asking for a plan.

Its not the "right" plan. The experts here know better.

is_that_so

kippy wrote: »

If that's the plan, what's the problem? People were asking for a plan.

In the IT story they describe an early draft without dates. That's a draft not a plan.

drunkmonkey

Spencer Brown wrote: »

I really hope The Irish Times are hypothesising with that plan rather than having any actual concrete information....

I'm glad they ran that survey, the pressure will be on to get rid of the 2km rule.

Wouldn't mind Henry's thoughts on it as he's in one of those places where there could be a so called invasion, I can't see it happening with car parks, public toilets and nearly all businesses closed. A few home owners might arrive but I can't see an invasion.

stephenjmcd

For what its worth heres part of of independents article, big thing here for me is that the department of social protection and business will have their budget for the year gone by June, they aren't going to keep borrowing endlessly so something has to give.

"Taoiseach Leo Varadkar is walking a tightrope between major health concerns and mounting financial pressures that have divided the nation over the ongoing lockdown.

His own Cabinet is deeply split on how to address the health and economic impacts of the Covid-19 pandemic.

It is a microcosm of wider society as many families and businesses clamour to return to some sense of normality.

But the death toll of the coronavirus yesterday rose by 59 to total 1,159, offering a brutal reminder the health battle is far from won.

As another extension of the lockdown looms, Mr Varadkar was warned about the devastating effect the virus is having on business. Some of his closest colleagues spoke out including Paschal Donohoe, Richard Bruton and Michael Ring.

In another complication, last night it emerged that healthcare workers who have exhausted all efforts to secure childcare can take paid leave.

This could see hundreds of workers, many of them nurses, opt to stay at home, leaving hospitals and nursing homes without key staff.

Chief medical officer Dr Tony Holohan said the impact on jobs and older people weighs heavily on him, as strict measures to slow the spread of the virus are implemented.

"We understand that people are being put out of work or losing their jobs - all of these are part of our consideration as we make recommendations," he said.

However, it also emerged a third of all private sector employers are now relying on the Government's wage subsidy scheme to pay their staff, while almost 600,000 people get the €350 weekly pandemic unemployment payment.

The Cabinet also heard that the Department of Social Protection and the Department of Business will have spent their entire annual budgets by June. This might require a Dáil vote on revised estimates for both departments.

Next week there is expected to be only a very slight easing of restrictions based on the advice of the National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet). But ministers are insisting the Taoiseach consider the economic impact of closing businesses for another two weeks.

"We are all for public health safety but there are lot of companies who if they don't get a decision between now and June or August they'll be closing their doors and won't be opening them again," one minister said.

Another minister added: "We need a strong government with a mandate to make decision so it doesn't all fall back on an unelected health committee."

The Taoiseach had asked his ministers for their views on the easing of restriction after the bank holiday weekend."

easypazz

combat14 wrote: »

How is leaving cert to take place if small cafes only might be opening in mid July ...?!

The people writing those articles are making guesses, same as you or I.

is_that_so

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

That’s easy. We’ve heard it a million times already from our leaders

At the appropriate time

And that’s why they’re is no plan at all and no end in sight.

If the plan is going to set dates, even loose ones for much later in the summer the increments need to be defined. At an appropriate time only works as a shorthand for we'll let you know closer to the time. I think the scope for its potential use in a plan is extremely limited unless it's a strong desire to show they have no plan. People will need actual dates or range of dates to be convinced of the benefit of a further two weeks. Even if we do have to go again something has to give on May 5.

kippy

Spencer Brown wrote: »

I really hope The Irish Times are hypothesising with that plan rather than having any actual concrete information....

If that's the plan, what's the problem? People were asking for a plan.

combat14

How is leaving cert to take place if small cafes only might be opening in mid July ...?!

drunkmonkey

plodder wrote: »

I suppose it's only a draft document, but what is wrong with phase 1, 2, 3 .... ?

We're still in stage 1 according to Tony last night at the HSE briefing. Containment.

Spencer Brown

I really hope The Irish Times are hypothesising with that plan rather than having any actual concrete information....

plodder

Irish Times wrote:

The phases are broken down as: initial phase, early phase stage one, early phase stage two, middle phases and late phases. The latter two phases could be broken down into more stages.

I suppose it's only a draft document, but what is wrong with phase 1, 2, 3 .... ?

easypazz

Stheno wrote: »

Have you not listened to the news?

No changes currently planned

NONE

What are you on about, no changes currently planned?

Cabinet met yesterday to discuss what relaxations to introduce next week, they meet again Friday to finalise relaxations.

They will certainly be relaxing some things next week.

Widdershins

rovers_runner wrote: »

Imagine the gouging from the hotel industry when they reopen on a limited basis....

Schools not until Sept and then with distance? Why not split classes in two and reopen now, some kids Mon/Tues and others Thurs/Fri?

The distance from home should be lifted if no hotels etc are open as where are people going to go or stay?

No mention of the parks etc.

Make it a 7 day school week to spread them out more?
It could work better for many parents who arent currently in their usual jobs?

Henry Ford III

easypazz wrote: »

It can be lethal. It can kill people. I would struggle to find anybody who does not know how nasty it can be.

You missed my point.

I was referring to its potential to spread widely and rapidly, and not to it's potentially lethal effects on some.

drunkmonkey

rovers_runner wrote: »

Imagine the gouging from the hotel industry when they reopen on a limited basis....

Schools not until Sept and then with distance? Why not split classes in two and reopen now, some kids Mon/Tues and others Thurs/Fri?

The distance from home should be lifted if no hotels etc are open as where are people going to go or stay?

No mention of the parks etc.

We know is spreads through air conditioning, I can't see hotels open if they have it. I assume they won't get insurance to reopen.

I agree the distance from home should be scrapped as there will be no hotels, caravan parks, pubs and restraunts open to accommodate tourists. This should be done away with on the 5th.

Ms.Sunshine

Not a mention of when childcare will return but mention of work reopening ‘mid summer ‘ or possibly for some after the next announcement.. Not sure how it’s possible for some to Return to work without childcare

rovers_runner

Imagine the gouging from the hotel industry when they reopen on a limited basis....

Schools not until Sept and then with distance? Why not split classes in two and reopen now, some kids Mon/Tues and others Thurs/Fri?

The distance from home should be lifted if no hotels etc are open as where are people going to go or stay?

No mention of the parks etc.

JRant

Typical FG kite flying in the newspapers. We've seen this throughout their time in power. Drip feed info to the media and then when an announcement is made is usually a little better than what was reported so people believe they've "gained" something.

If that plan is correct then Lord help us. No real lifting of the more severe restrictions until late summer. If cafes and restaurants can't open now, what exactly will change by July/August? Same goes for schools, they can't magic up larger classrooms particularly when there are already too many pupils in these classrooms as is.

You would think that the many creative people in this country would be able to come up with creative solutions for their businesses rather than just a blanket ban on them opening.

Stark

penfailed wrote:

That's optimistic. The summer months are June, July and August leaving the middle of summer in mid July.

"Summer" is vague. Ireland defines it as May, June, July which is a month earlier than everywhere else in the Northern Hemisphere. Then you have the definition of calendar months of June, July, August used elsewhere and then the solstice to Equinox definition of summer which puts it even later.

Let's hope they're referring to the Irish schoolkid definition of summer

Pitch n Putt

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Overall at least it's a plan

Need to see how long inbetween phases though

Would still be a disaster for anybody not with friends, family or those in relationships not living together nearby or not in same county etc

That’s easy. We’ve heard it a million times already from our leaders

At the appropriate time

And that’s why they’re is no plan at all and no end in sight.

Penfailed

Assetbacked wrote: »

"Cafes and restaurants could reopen by the middle of the summer, with people allowed travel within Ireland for holidays by late summer, under plans being discussed to gradually lift the coronavirus lockdown."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/phased-exit-from-coronavirus-lockdown-may-see-cafes-reopen-by-mid-summer-1.4240404?mode=amp

Mid summer = mid-June!

That's optimistic. The summer months are June, July and August leaving the middle of summer in mid July.

Idbatterim

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah it doesn't look promising in some aspects . Grandparents still not able to see there kids/grandkids etc

Knowing the Irish Government it will be slow and they will drag the phases out

This could get nasty

Listen, this is Ireland, zero urgency! I hope the restrictions are lifted by 2022...

kwestfan08

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Did you miss the part where it said once u social distance 4 people could meet up at other people

Same as indepent article today, it's speculation they don't know but why say something when it clearly says opposite

Maximum of 4 people and it has to be outside. So three others and myself? Not exactly what I had in mind when I imagine "meeting up with friends". Although you're right it's only speculation at this stage, no point getting too upset.

Quantum Erasure

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Did you miss the part where it said once u social distance 4 people could meet up at other people

shur you can do that now (outside at least)...
https://www.cmtcu.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/COVID-19-Physical-Distancing-Outside-Screen.jpg

Straight Talker wrote: »

Basically if the 2km restriction is not lifted, i might just have to go home regardless.I have vulnerable family members, ...I haven't seen my family since the middle of March.I am needed back home,

the 2km limit is for exercise only, you can go home to look after vulnerable family members already

Straight Talker

I have been away from home, since lockdown was announced.I know we need to flatten the curve and all that, but some people are suffering from serious isolation and mental health issues because of this lockdown.Basically if the 2km restriction is not lifted, i might just have to go home regardless.I have vulnerable family members, and at the moment everyone is holding it together.But either way i plan on returning home on May 5th.I haven't seen my family since the middle of March.I am needed back home, a hell of a lot sooner than later at this stage.

Of course no one wants to get this horrible virus either.But i think after a month on lockdown people are getting edgy.It's not realistic to expect people, to stay away from their loved ones for months on end.We really do need to see, a more viable plan going forward.It's what the public demand at this stage.People are out of work.People are suffering financially etc.