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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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kwestfan08

Assetbacked wrote: »

"Cafes and restaurants could reopen by the middle of the summer, with people allowed travel within Ireland for holidays by late summer, under plans being discussed to gradually lift the coronavirus lockdown."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/phased-exit-from-coronavirus-lockdown-may-see-cafes-reopen-by-mid-summer-1.4240404?mode=amp

Mid summer = mid-June!

"Under the latest draft, the first phase would allow the over-70s who are cocooning out to walk on a “no touch” basis; allow outdoor workers such as builders and gardeners return to work; allow a maximum of four people not from the same household gather outside while obeying social distancing; recommence some restricted classes for Leaving Cert students; potentially increase the distance people can travel outside their home for exercise from 2km to 5km or 10km; allow retailers such as DIY and garden centres reopen; and allow retail outlets deemed essential in an earlier round of restrictions – such as banks, repair shops, optometrists and others – open again.

The next phase – “early phase stage one” – would allow small retailers reopen by allowing only a limited number of staff and customers on the premises. Restrictions on travel away from the home could increase to 20km. Open marts could also recommence.

“Early stage phase two” would see cafes and restaurants reopen, as long as social distancing and strict cleaning rules apply.

The so-called “middle phases” would see the tourism industry – hotels, hostels, caravan parks – reopen on a limited occupancy basis. Travel restrictions would be further eased to allow people travel outside their regions. Any holidays or breaks should be taken by family units only.

The “later phases” would see the wider reopening of the economy – such as pubs and offices – again if social distancing is implemented. Schools would also reopen in September, again complying with social distancing. Mass gatherings of over 5,000 people have already been effectively cancelled until September.

Guidance around these events is unlikely to be provided until much later in the year, similar to family events such as weddings. Cocooning is also expected to last for the foreseeable future, until vaccines or treatments for Covid-19 are found."

That is one depressing timeline. Essentially no meeting up with any friends either socially or travelling with them on any kind of holiday throughout the whole summer.

KrustyUCC

Overall at least it's a plan

Need to see how long inbetween phases though

Would still be a disaster for anybody not with friends, family or those in relationships not living together nearby or not in same county etc

Charles Babbage

Long_Wave wrote: »

Gemma is mad and annoyong but it's a shame that herself and John Waters are the only people with any kind of profile calling out the bullshít. FFS, all we get from RTE is Wall to wall "let's beat this virus" and "put on the green jersey" propaganda

That's because we do want to beat the virus. Who the **** wants to carry on like this? We want to be New Zealand.

PTH2009

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Overall at least it's a plan

Need to see how long inbetween phases though

Would still be a disaster for anybody not with friends, family or those in relationships not living together nearby or not in same county etc

Yeah it doesn't look promising in some aspects . Grandparents still not able to see there kids/grandkids etc

Knowing the Irish Government it will be slow and they will drag the phases out

This could get nasty

Charles Babbage

Assetbacked wrote: »

You should probably follow the guidelines very carefully.

So should you, unless you are person without common sense or integrity in which case I expect you'll think only of yourself.

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah it doesn't look promising. Grandparents still not able to see there kids/grandkids etc

If the dose is as widespread as it is then those grandparents are at risk, especially if there is a partial relaxation of other restrictions and kids are mixing with other kids.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

I doubt many people will be waiting to August to see friends and family. July is a stretch, June is too. May would the limit of people's patience.

KrustyUCC

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah it doesn't look promising in some aspects . Grandparents still not able to see there kids/grandkids etc

Knowing the Irish Government it will be slow and they will drag the phases out

This could get nasty

Yup I think so

Each phase will be a minimum of 2 to three weeks

Travel to another region is in stage 4 so minimum of 8 weeks

Couples sticking to guidelines will already have not seen each other for close to 2 months up to May 4th

Add another 2 months and its not going to go down well

RoryMac

Arghus wrote: »

It has to stay there for a period. You don't just work hard to get to that r0 rate and immediately take your foot off the gas.

My comment was in response to someone saying that community spread was high which it's not at present.

We have a week(give or take a day) at the required r0 rate and 2 by the time May 5th rolls around so the public have played their part massively. The current failings are with the HSE neglecting to protect care homes.

I've no major issue with an extension if there is a fully laid out plan for relaxing restrictions in place. I just hope Leo has the sense not to try shift the blame when he makes his announcement on Friday as it seems they're trying to do at present

RoryMac

Arghus wrote: »

Some are. "The job is already done. "We've done our part."

Of course the job isn't done but we've done a hell of a lot better with our part than the HSE have with theirs. Still haven't achieved the testing levels we were told were only days away on the 19th Mar, slapping down the care home managers for trying to protect their patients by restricting visitors and worst of all sending covid cases into the care homes to free up space in hospitals.

The public in general have done an amazing job to deal with this situation and adopt the advice on social distance, hand hygiene etc. The HSE aside from the frontline staff have made some massive errors that have cost hundreds of lives

Stheno

If that's the actual plan and its every two weeks subject to no spikes, tbh I can live with that

I used go to a very social office every day and have been working from home since the beginning of March

We've been advised we probably wont go back to the office this year as we don't need to, that is, those of us who still have a job, we are on 50% pay with layoffs and expecting massive redundancies

Its lonely I look forward to seeing my friends but that wont happen for a few months, but my OH under the alleged plan would get to see his adult kids again which would be lovely. My neighbours who are cocooning would see their grandkids

More detail needed though

Arghus

RoryMac wrote: »

Of course the job isn't done but we've done a hell of a lot better with our part than the HSE have with theirs. Still haven't achieved the testing levels we were told were only days away on the 19th Mar, slapping down the care home managers for trying to protect their patients by restricting visitors and worst of all sending covid cases into the care homes to free up space in hospitals.

The public in general have done an amazing job to deal with this situation and adopt the advice on social distance, hand hygiene etc. The HSE aside from the frontline staff have made some massive errors that have cost hundreds of lives

The public have done well, no doubt and in some respects the HSE/DOH/Government haven't lived up to their own promises, but I think we need to acknowledge that it's been a crazy and unprecedented couple of months and I think people expecting them to have done everything right have to be realistic in their assessment too.

There's no winning for the HSE in the eyes of many here. Sure, they're overreacting. No, they're underreacting. We should have a full lockdown. Man, I'm fed up, we shouldn't have a Lockdown.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. And people are falling into the easy trap of blaming the authorities, they aren't the enemy: the virus is the enemy.

They are getting a bashing good and proper here, people amazingly seem to forget how enormously and quickly this all happened. Better prepared and funded health services than ours have nearly collapsed with the strain.

Some people go on here like Tony Holohan is some fascist dictator that loves keeping people locked up. It's a bit stupid. Don't forget the man had a health scare himself not so long ago.

I think the HSE et all need to set out clearly from here what is needed for the gradual phased lifting of restrictions, like we need X amount of days of cases under a certain number and a reduction of a certain amount of cases in ICU before we can lift things gradually. Their communication must improve.

And, yes, they have to be realistic in their promises. Don't promise 15000 tests a day in three weeks if it isn't deliverable, but I can't even imagine how difficult it is to accurately predict such things to a media that always wants promises and succinct figures for headlines, while you are essentially trying to build a huge infrastructure completely from the ground up in absolutely record time. I don't imagine it's a piece of piss. It's a lot harder than staying inside.

dundalkfc10

kwestfan08 wrote: »

That is one depressing timeline. Essentially no meeting up with any friends either socially or travelling with them on any kind of holiday throughout the whole summer.

Did you miss the part where it said once u social distance 4 people could meet up at other people

Same as indepent article today, it's speculation they don't know but why say something when it clearly says opposite

Stheno

snotboogie

Stheno wrote: »

Have you not listened to the news?

No changes currently planned

NONE

Have you read what the early lifting of restrictions will be? Unless you are over 70 or in the building trade it will have almost no effect on your life. We are in this for the long run

Straight Talker

I have been away from home, since lockdown was announced.I know we need to flatten the curve and all that, but some people are suffering from serious isolation and mental health issues because of this lockdown.Basically if the 2km restriction is not lifted, i might just have to go home regardless.I have vulnerable family members, and at the moment everyone is holding it together.But either way i plan on returning home on May 5th.I haven't seen my family since the middle of March.I am needed back home, a hell of a lot sooner than later at this stage.

Of course no one wants to get this horrible virus either.But i think after a month on lockdown people are getting edgy.It's not realistic to expect people, to stay away from their loved ones for months on end.We really do need to see, a more viable plan going forward.It's what the public demand at this stage.People are out of work.People are suffering financially etc.

Quantum Erasure

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Did you miss the part where it said once u social distance 4 people could meet up at other people

shur you can do that now (outside at least)...
https://www.cmtcu.ie/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/COVID-19-Physical-Distancing-Outside-Screen.jpg

Straight Talker wrote: »

Basically if the 2km restriction is not lifted, i might just have to go home regardless.I have vulnerable family members, ...I haven't seen my family since the middle of March.I am needed back home,

the 2km limit is for exercise only, you can go home to look after vulnerable family members already

kwestfan08

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Did you miss the part where it said once u social distance 4 people could meet up at other people

Same as indepent article today, it's speculation they don't know but why say something when it clearly says opposite

Maximum of 4 people and it has to be outside. So three others and myself? Not exactly what I had in mind when I imagine "meeting up with friends". Although you're right it's only speculation at this stage, no point getting too upset.

Idbatterim

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah it doesn't look promising in some aspects . Grandparents still not able to see there kids/grandkids etc

Knowing the Irish Government it will be slow and they will drag the phases out

This could get nasty

Listen, this is Ireland, zero urgency! I hope the restrictions are lifted by 2022...

Penfailed

Assetbacked wrote: »

"Cafes and restaurants could reopen by the middle of the summer, with people allowed travel within Ireland for holidays by late summer, under plans being discussed to gradually lift the coronavirus lockdown."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/phased-exit-from-coronavirus-lockdown-may-see-cafes-reopen-by-mid-summer-1.4240404?mode=amp

Mid summer = mid-June!

That's optimistic. The summer months are June, July and August leaving the middle of summer in mid July.

Pitch n Putt

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Overall at least it's a plan

Need to see how long inbetween phases though

Would still be a disaster for anybody not with friends, family or those in relationships not living together nearby or not in same county etc

That’s easy. We’ve heard it a million times already from our leaders

At the appropriate time

And that’s why they’re is no plan at all and no end in sight.

Stark

penfailed wrote:

That's optimistic. The summer months are June, July and August leaving the middle of summer in mid July.

"Summer" is vague. Ireland defines it as May, June, July which is a month earlier than everywhere else in the Northern Hemisphere. Then you have the definition of calendar months of June, July, August used elsewhere and then the solstice to Equinox definition of summer which puts it even later.

Let's hope they're referring to the Irish schoolkid definition of summer

JRant

Typical FG kite flying in the newspapers. We've seen this throughout their time in power. Drip feed info to the media and then when an announcement is made is usually a little better than what was reported so people believe they've "gained" something.

If that plan is correct then Lord help us. No real lifting of the more severe restrictions until late summer. If cafes and restaurants can't open now, what exactly will change by July/August? Same goes for schools, they can't magic up larger classrooms particularly when there are already too many pupils in these classrooms as is.

You would think that the many creative people in this country would be able to come up with creative solutions for their businesses rather than just a blanket ban on them opening.

rovers_runner

Imagine the gouging from the hotel industry when they reopen on a limited basis....

Schools not until Sept and then with distance? Why not split classes in two and reopen now, some kids Mon/Tues and others Thurs/Fri?

The distance from home should be lifted if no hotels etc are open as where are people going to go or stay?

No mention of the parks etc.

Ms.Sunshine

Not a mention of when childcare will return but mention of work reopening ‘mid summer ‘ or possibly for some after the next announcement.. Not sure how it’s possible for some to Return to work without childcare

drunkmonkey

rovers_runner wrote: »

Imagine the gouging from the hotel industry when they reopen on a limited basis....

Schools not until Sept and then with distance? Why not split classes in two and reopen now, some kids Mon/Tues and others Thurs/Fri?

The distance from home should be lifted if no hotels etc are open as where are people going to go or stay?

No mention of the parks etc.

We know is spreads through air conditioning, I can't see hotels open if they have it. I assume they won't get insurance to reopen.

I agree the distance from home should be scrapped as there will be no hotels, caravan parks, pubs and restraunts open to accommodate tourists. This should be done away with on the 5th.

Henry Ford III

easypazz wrote: »

It can be lethal. It can kill people. I would struggle to find anybody who does not know how nasty it can be.

You missed my point.

I was referring to its potential to spread widely and rapidly, and not to it's potentially lethal effects on some.

Widdershins

rovers_runner wrote: »

Imagine the gouging from the hotel industry when they reopen on a limited basis....

Schools not until Sept and then with distance? Why not split classes in two and reopen now, some kids Mon/Tues and others Thurs/Fri?

The distance from home should be lifted if no hotels etc are open as where are people going to go or stay?

No mention of the parks etc.

Make it a 7 day school week to spread them out more?
It could work better for many parents who arent currently in their usual jobs?

easypazz

Stheno wrote: »

Have you not listened to the news?

No changes currently planned

NONE

What are you on about, no changes currently planned?

Cabinet met yesterday to discuss what relaxations to introduce next week, they meet again Friday to finalise relaxations.

They will certainly be relaxing some things next week.

plodder

Irish Times wrote:

The phases are broken down as: initial phase, early phase stage one, early phase stage two, middle phases and late phases. The latter two phases could be broken down into more stages.

I suppose it's only a draft document, but what is wrong with phase 1, 2, 3 .... ?

Spencer Brown

I really hope The Irish Times are hypothesising with that plan rather than having any actual concrete information....