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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Spencer Brown wrote: »

Don't worry it was a joke, it must be gutting to see what you've worked so hard for face hard times through no fault of your own. If common sense prevails then golf will be one of the first things to be reintroduced along with other activities like water sports, hiking etc.

yeah right, easy to say that now. It wasn't very funny.

Too many sanctimonious posters here speaking from their perspective only!
I too struggle with mental health issues which are completely alleviated by being with people and by being out in the wilds of nature, not 2km tramping around locally on crowded concrete paths.

It is now 7 weeks since I went anywhere or saw anyone, I had to self isolate in the 2nd week of March and then the restrictions kicked off. Zero compassion and understanding from some posters about the huge effects lockdown is having on many people, especially people on their own.

drunkmonkey

pjohnson wrote: »

Oooh which part?

All of it. Harris laughing in the middle of it deserves to go viral. Why isn't he distancing with his underlying health condition, where's his mask. Leo taking the preverbial as well with a mask around his neck yesterday.
Do as I say boys don't do as I do.

Fann Linn

Long_Wave wrote: »

It's really depressing the lack of political Opposition in this country to hold the government to account, the Irish people have only themselves to blaim thought for voting for wasters like SF and Richard Boyd Barrett

Aaah bless you.
Who did you vote for btw, Fine Gael?

Stheno

GazzaL wrote: »

Here's the clip:

https://twitter.com/ResevoirDubs/status/1255184133212508161

That's insane

snowcat

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Prepare yourself for more lockdown ladies and gentlemen. They wont be much easing of restrictions for another few weeks.

They asked us to flatten the curve, We did. They asked us to give them time to prepare testing, get icu in order etc, We did.
This is costing hundreds of millions per day.
If there is no easing on the 5th they need to review it every single day and not this blanket 2 extra weeks.
Otherwise give us concrete figures that we need to see so everyone knows where we are going The medical side will never recommend easing until this is gone and that is understandable because that is their remit.
A balanced approach needs to be taken with economists, politicians,central bankers medics all having input.
Leo needs to step in here and make a judgement call on the overall situation regarding public health, economy and all the other factors. The minister for health and the doctors will always recommend maximum attack on the virus with disregard for any other factor.

Rodin

GazzaL wrote: »

Come off it. We've hit the targets set out to us. The HSE have failed to hit theirs.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/blame-for-expected-extended-lockdown-shifted-onto-the-public-1.4239955

76 arrests so far for flouting the rules?
Cyclists behaving like there are no rules.

Many people driving to go walking in parks.

Everyone knows there has been more activity this past week. People are making up themselves whether the rules apply to them or not.

iamwhoiam

GazzaL wrote: »

Here's the clip:

https://twitter.com/ResevoirDubs/status/1255184133212508161

Shocking

is_that_so

fawlty682 wrote: »

Harris predicted 15k tests daily in mid March, only Minister speak.This 100k per week sounds good but usual HSE spin. That’s a million by July. Two million tested by October. No good if results take weeks.

We're at 150K tests now. De Gascun kind of sighs now about the 15K, it really bit them in the ass. They did aspire to having it very early but a perfect storm of hypochondriacs and reagent wars put paid to that. Being about the only thing anyone could understand at that time also kept it well up in the news.

Harris was far too enthusiastic and inclined to drop the number as imminently guaranteed. The other main players remained "hopeful" until they finally owned up to the issues, yet you'd wonder if we could have dealt such bad news earlier than we found out.

pjohnson

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Harris laughing in the middle of them all and he has an underlying health condition. Looks like a hoax now.

Oooh which part?

olestoepoke

Long_Wave wrote: »

It's really depressing the lack of political Opposition in this country to hold the government to account, the Irish people have only themselves to blaim thought for voting for wasters like SF and Richard Boyd Barrett

You're in the wrong thread, theres a good SF bashing thread waiting for you.

drunkmonkey

GazzaL wrote: »

Here's the clip:

https://twitter.com/ResevoirDubs/status/1255184133212508161

Harris laughing in the middle of them all and he has an underlying health condition. Looks like a hoax now.

Sean 18

1Q2WHYUUU wrote: »

Is it possible the June bank holiday will be locked down also I'd say
They might because that will also the last one for a long time up to Aug.

They'll probably still be locking us down at Christmas and holohan will still be telling us the next two weeks are critical

cython

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I can't see us needing that many tests, lockdown was pointless if that many people are coming forward then. I'd hope the figure being tested would be in the low thousand or less.

Extra testing capacity could be put to use as was done in other countries to sample more randomly and assess silent spread (asymptomatic), etc. Better to use some on that than have only a few percent in use.

GazzaL

Here's the clip:

https://twitter.com/ResevoirDubs/status/1255184133212508161

1Q2WHYUUU

Is it possible the June bank holiday will be locked down also I'd say
They might because that will also the last one for a long time up to Aug.

HeidiHeidi

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I can't see us needing that many tests, lockdown was pointless if that many people are coming forward then. I'd hope the figure being tested would be in the low thousand or less.

They'll need that capacity if they loosen restrictions, but want to be able to jump on any cases and be able to confirm quickly, and follow up on their contacts with tests.

That's the only way they can hopefully prevent any sudden surges if our social distancing reduces (which it will in spades once there's the slightest hint of a relaxation)

JoeExotic81

As the numbers being tested go up, the ICU rate on confirmed cases goes down. It's around 1.8% currently.

With just that in mind I think it's absolute overkill continuing the current restrictions.

At the very least the 2km limit should be lifted, certain stores should be reopened and many who can't work from home let back to work.

It honestly feels like the government have gone AWOL in the past 2 weeks.

If the above doesn't happen Friday, the government deserve any unrest that comes their way.

I'm still sticking to the rules but the apathy is growing stronger by the day.

Time to share your masterplan lads or move the fvcking restrictions back pronto.

First it was flatten the curve. Curve flattened.

Then it was make sure we have ICU overflow. Don't we have about 600/700 beds ready if really needed?

That R number, get it as close to 1 or below. What's it now. 0.4?

Ridiculous carry on.

GolfNut33

Spencer Brown wrote: »

Don't worry it was a joke, it must be gutting to see what you've worked so hard for face hard times through no fault of your own. If common sense prevails then golf will be one of the first things to be reintroduced along with other activities like water sports, hiking etc.

No worries, Spencer 👍

Sean 18

The lockdown will probably go on till they find a vaccine we don't even know if infected people make antibodies and now children getting sick with some inflammatory disease and the people in power think all this was caused by somebody eating a bat no way that lab in Wuhan should be searched from top to bottom

GazzaL

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Was that news item on the NPHET meeting filmed today ?
They were on top of each other with no two inches between them
Also the Guards outside the court with no masks and no distance between any of them ?
Meantime we can’t see our familys at a distance to chat for 10 minutes ?

I'm amazed that got aired. All the NPHET sitting right next to each other around the table, zero social distancing. These are the people telling us we can't see our families and destroying people's livelihoods. I wonder will it make the 9 o'clock news.

Stheno

Penfailed wrote: »

Did that actually happen though...or did someone post it here and everyone ran with it? I haven't heard it mentioned elsewhere.

The Irish Nursing homes organisation did a press briactually it was the weekend

efing on it yesterday I think
https://www.google.com/amp/s/extra.ie/2020/04/26/news/irish-news/hse-patients-virus-care-homes/amp

Some patients were moved twice from hospital to nursing home a then nursing home b

HIQA confirmed it

[Deleted User]

Penfailed wrote: »

If I was in their position, I'd be doing the same. It's the most obvious thing to do. Other countries are further down the path than we are.

if they were even doing that well they could outline a roadmap of sorts.

but nothing has been outlined

only more stagnation which just looks weak tbh and annoys people

drunkmonkey

Long_Wave wrote: »

Who are these 100k people they'll be testing per week?

I can't see us needing that many tests, lockdown was pointless if that many people are coming forward then. I'd hope the figure being tested would be in the low thousand or less.

[Deleted User]

Penfailed wrote: »

Did that actually happen though...or did someone post it here and everyone ran with it? I haven't heard it mentioned elsewhere.

references some other article that I can't find ooline

https://extra.ie/2020/04/26/news/irish-news/hse-patients-virus-care-homes

Patients transferred into nursing homes from hospitals hit by Covid-19 sparked fatal outbreaks among vulnerable residents, nursing home operators have claimed.

Despite the risks associated with these transfers, the Health Service Executive emptied as many hospital beds as possible in this fashion as it prepared to deal with the pandemic.

Hospital patients were deemed eligible for transfer to care homes even if they were showing symptoms and had been identified as close contacts of others who were Covid-positive.

Penfailed

glasso wrote: »

saying that is just semantics really.

it's pretty obvious that the powers that be here don't really know where to go next.

and will be looking to other countries for crib notes.

If I was in their position, I'd be doing the same. It's the most obvious thing to do. Other countries are further down the path than we are.

iamwhoiam

Was that news item on the NPHET meeting filmed today ?
They were on top of each other with no two inches between them
Also the Guards outside the court with no masks and no distance between any of them ?
Meantime we can’t see our familys at a distance to chat for 10 minutes ?

fawlty682

Harris predicted 15k tests daily in mid March, only Minister speak.This 100k per week sounds good but usual HSE spin. That’s a million by July. Two million tested by October. No good if results take weeks.

[Deleted User]

Penfailed wrote: »

Not changing anything is still a plan though, whether you think it's a joke or not.

saying that is just semantics really.

it's pretty obvious that the powers that be here don't really know where to go next.

and will be looking to other countries for crib notes.

nj27

Probably a good month or so left of the current measures.

GazzaL

Rodin wrote: »

In and out of work every day and haven't been stopped once.

People flouted the rules and the authorities haven't done enough to stop them.
That's why we're facing increased lockdown time. But there's no point in doing it unless a different approach to enforcement is taken.

Come off it. We've hit the targets set out to us. The HSE have failed to hit theirs.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/blame-for-expected-extended-lockdown-shifted-onto-the-public-1.4239955