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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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normanoffside

Great to see a change in tone from the media today, they've obviously been checking in here (and elsewhere)

Keep fighting the good fight.

Gael23

Then in mid May it will be 2 more weeks to take us over the June bank holiday

stephenjmcd

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1255100687953920000?s=19

And this was last weeks

https://twitter.com/jerseyrobins/status/1255108330369974273?s=19

robbiezero

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1255135447618957317

It certainly does Paul.

But certain people need to get to the pubs and get their hair done and stuff

...because priorities

Ape

trapp

hmmm wrote: »

Not true, but you can do your own research.

There is no short-term "solution". We all work together to suppress the virus, and hope a vaccine arrives in the next 18 months. This isn't about rewards for good behaviour.

Dear oh dear oh dear we have another one.

Listen my poor man the virus affects our older population more.
To suggest an equal amount of people in their 30s or 40s would die as have in their 80s is clueless on a grand napoleonic scale my friend.

No my man, the solution is we slowly and carefully find a way of living alongside the virus as best we can.
Yes people will die, it will be a tough few years my man, this a pandemic if you didn't know

But to suggest we all sit at home watching netflix for a few years until a vaccine maybe arrives is more than a bit ridiculous

If countries worldwide did this, could you imagine the issues the roll out of said vaccine would cause, as countries scramble to get it.

Now if you want to hide in your bunker, wasting your life away on netflix binges, feel free

I would though strongly advise you against doing that my poor man, we're in for a tough few years but we will allow our way of life to survive despite the virus and we will come through the other side.

Sitting at home as you suggest simply wouldn't work my poor man.

normanoffside

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The future is worse if the measures are lifted too early because you end up in an endless cycle until there is a vaccine.

This will do more economic and societal damage than the current measures.

Posters are free to deny it and believe differently of course.

These hypotheses fail to take into account the fact that things won't be the same as when it first started.
No concerts, no crowded pubs, no full stadiums and very few tourists.

People will also be automatically social distancing way more then they ever did, wearing masks, gloves etc.

Let's give it a whirl and see.

One thing is for sure, the country will be paralysed if we don't start opening it up again soon.

dublincelt

Neighbours planning a big barbecue this weekend going by all the prep work taking place over the last couple of days. Cant believe the mindset of some people. Headwrecking! :mad:

RugbyLad11

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1255100687953920000?s=19

And this was last weeks

https://twitter.com/jerseyrobins/status/1255108330369974273?s=19

Isn't UK one of the most obese obese countries in Europe?

GazzaL

dublincelt wrote: »

Neighbours planning a big barbecue this weekend going by all the prep work taking place over the last couple of days. Cant believe the mindset of some people. Headwrecking! :mad:

They didn't invite you then?

fleet_admiral

I think everybody needs to boycott this thread until the poor man/friend is put to a stop

stephenjmcd

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Isn't UK one of the most obese obese countries in Europe?

No idea

Assetbacked

aidoh wrote: »

Well done on another lazy post reducing peoples' very real concerns over the long-term implications of a lockdown with seemingly no exit strategy to "SelFisH pAdDy JuSt WaNtS tO gO tO tHe PuB!"

Bar one or two oddballs in this thread, or maybe pub landlords understandably, no one who is critical of the lockdown extensions here is demanding to be rammed into a pub any time soon. I'm so sick of that ridiculous scapegoat.

Letting some people get back to work so they can regain some certainty over paying bills and supporting their families.

Visiting the front garden of loved ones who we haven't seen in nearly two months and even just being able to talk to them through the p0xy window.

Perhaps going for a walk somewhere isolated that happens to be more than 20 minutes away from where we're currently holed up.

These are what people want to be able to do again ASAP without the threat of a fine or potential imprisonment... because priorities.

Dismissing any talk of wanting to end the lockdown by reference to the pub strawman means the poster is gormless and should be marked to ignore.

Arghus

Deleted User wrote: »

Ivan Yates giving it welly on Newstalk now about this lockdown. Good man Ivan! Asking difficult questions. He is asking why journalists are not allowed ask questions at these press briefings every night with Tony Holohan. Dead right.

Journalists do ask questions every day at the press briefings. Two thirds of each day is journalists asking questions.

the kelt

aidoh wrote: »

Well done on another lazy post reducing peoples' very real concerns over the long-term implications of a lockdown with seemingly no exit strategy to "SelFisH pAdDy JuSt WaNtS tO gO tO tHe PuB!"

Bar one or two oddballs in this thread, or maybe pub landlords understandably, no one who is critical of the lockdown extensions here is demanding to be rammed into a pub any time soon. I'm so sick of that ridiculous scapegoat.

Letting some people get back to work so they can regain some certainty over paying bills and supporting their families.

Visiting the front garden of loved ones who we haven't seen in nearly two months and even just being able to talk to them through the p0xy window.

Perhaps going for a walk somewhere isolated that happens to be more than 20 minutes away from where we're currently holed up.

These are what people want to be able to do again ASAP without the threat of a fine or potential imprisonment... because priorities.

Ye see its human nature to simplify and label to further prove your own beliefs to yourself.

For example when a person adapts an outlook and arent willing to consider an alternative point of view or counter argument they revert back to their simplistic narrative so as to further enhance their own beliefs, you see it a lot for example with trump supporters.

So when people keep referencing the same lazy rhetoric, deep down they know its not really the case, for example that everyone doesnt really want an easing of restrictions to go to the pub but to admit that would require a possible understanding that their own outlook isnt 100% correct, therefore theres an impulse to keep telling yourself your right so you keep repeating the same rhetoric.

Basically when the rest of the world knows for example that theres a multitude of different reason people belief we should ease restrictions or again a multitude of reasons for extending the restrictions if your one label is just the same one over and over again then its evident that you're either a wind up merchant or a contrarion with no ability to look past your own tunnel vision.

Either one of these adds nothing to a discussion in truth.

road_high

normanoffside wrote: »

Great to see a change in tone from the media today, they've obviously been checking in here (and elsewhere)

Keep fighting the good fight.

Yes sick of the “kill all” narrative- the country is heading for certain bankruptcy if this keeps going

Spencer Brown

I think we can all agree this thread is far more interesting than the main thread anyway.

road_high

Arghus wrote: »

Journalists do ask questions every day at the press briefings. Two thirds of each day is journalists asking questions.

Yes, pre arranged ones.

aidoh

hmmm wrote: »

Not true, but you can do your own research.

There is no short-term "solution". We all work together to suppress the virus, and hope a vaccine arrives in the next 18 months. This isn't about rewards for good behaviour.

We will have an 80% economy until a vaccine arrives. There is no other way unless we are happy to see large numbers of deaths in this country.

It's a big gamble though, do you not think? Waiting AT LEAST 18 months for a vaccine that might NEVER come? Hopefully some good therapeutics will be developed sooner than that but as it stands there are still no reliable treatments.

So how many thousands will die because they haven't been treated for non C-19 illnesses for 18 months? How many families will dip below the poverty line in the next 18 months? How many relationships will break down due to frustrations, joblessness etc., leading to further homelessness? I hate to even think about this but how many suicides might we see for similar reasons?

As much as I do need a vent sometimes, I largely trust the experts and have been 100% compliant with the restrictions thus far, even though it has been tough like it has been for most people on the planet.

So I'm obviously not an expert but a short term "solution" to get a tiny sliver of normality back might be to redeploy some Gardaí to check in on shops, cafés etc. and ensure that social distancing is being adhered to. If not, the businesses responsible get shut down. I think that would be a lot more effective than fining people for being more than 2km away from their gaff.
The entire country simply can't sit indoors wAtChInG nEtFliX for a year and a half in the hopes that a non-existent vaccine will suddenly exist.

I would hope nobody is "looking for rewards" for compliance with restrictions. There are however good and legitimate reasons to ask questions regarding the handling of the virus in Ireland, and to ask in particular if an extension of this lockdown might be even more harmful to wider society than the illness itself.

Kermit.de.frog

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

We're doing very well in comparison to every country anywhere near us.

We are a small island. Always going to be the case.

New Zealand has bigger advantages on top of that due to it's remoteness.

Comparisons with NZ are disingenuous because it's not comparable.

Arghus

road_high wrote: »

Yes, pre arranged ones.

Really?

I'd like to see that confirmed.

castletownman

Why wait for the vaccine to be developed? We may wait for every single person in the country to be administered it before we can even come close to normality.

And why stop there? What if another virus emerges in five years time that we haven't experienced yet? I think we should stay under wraps indefinitely until we find a vaccine for the NEXT virus.

What's six years in the grand scheme of things?

Banana Republic.

road_high wrote: »

Yes, pre arranged ones.

Pre-arranged questions but don’t have the answers mostly so that doesn’t make much sense. Journalists yesterday made a great point on the Seismologists data, saying that the medical board had motive more movements in the last week but he questions the valid nature of it by saying sure ppl have to run their cars and they might drive around the block plus ppl go out during the good weather. Dr T agreed that the data didn’t prove anything. One of the best things I’ve heard journo say in the briefings. Usually talking through their hoop or asking the same thing day on day.

Arghus

trapp wrote: »

Dear oh dear oh dear we have another one.

Listen my poor man the virus affects our older population more.
To suggest an equal amount of people in their 30s or 40s would die as have in their 80s is clueless on a grand napoleonic scale my friend.

No my man, the solution is we slowly and carefully find a way of living alongside the virus as best we can.
Yes people will die, it will be a tough few years my man, this a pandemic if you didn't know

But to suggest we all sit at home watching netflix for a few years until a vaccine maybe arrives is more than a bit ridiculous

If countries worldwide did this, could you imagine the issues the roll out of said vaccine would cause, as countries scramble to get it.

Now if you want to hide in your bunker, wasting your life away on netflix binges, feel free

I would though strongly advise you against doing that my poor man, we're in for a tough few years but we will allow our way of life to survive despite the virus and we will come through the other side.

Sitting at home as you suggest simply wouldn't work my poor man.

Your posts are unreadable chores, with that "my man" and "my poor man" nonsense.

[Deleted User]

SAMTALK wrote: »

Ivan bleating on about hospital beds being empty and city west not being used

He's be the very one on whinging if we didnt have enough beds

He's a s**t stirrer and a pain in the h**e

.............just because he doesn't toe the National Broadcasters line? Thats why I like Independent radio ...... it means questions are asked.
Yesterday he asked why hospitals are empty and operations for NON Covid illnesses are not being done. The Galway Clinic is completely empty as we speak, not one patient, all operations cancelled, even urgent ones. He's dead right asking these questions. People will die from OTHER illnesses while we live in fear from Covid. Crazy stuff. :mad:

[Deleted User]

castletownman wrote: »

Why wait for the vaccine to be developed? We may wait for every single person in the country to be administered it before we can even come close to normality.

And why stop there? What if another virus emerges in five years time that we haven't experienced yet? I think we should stay under wraps indefinitely until we find a vaccine for the NEXT virus.

What's six years in the grand scheme of things?

:D:D:D

NegativeCreep

fleet_admiral wrote: »

I think everybody needs to boycott this thread until the poor man/friend is put to a stop

Never. I think it’s funny!

trapp

Arghus wrote: »

Your posts are unreadable chores, with that "my man" and "my poor man" nonsense.

Any more nonsense than the people suggesting we all watch netflix for 2 years hoping for a vaccine?

What then?

Another two years for it be rolled out to everyone?

Amazes me how many people, knowing how short life is, want to spend theirs sitting in their underwear watching the television.

Arghus

Banana Republic. wrote: »

Pre-arranged questions but don’t have the answers mostly so that doesn’t make much sense. Journalists yesterday made a great point on the Seismologists data, saying that the medical board had motive more movements in the last week but he questions the valid nature of it by saying sure ppl have to run their cars and they might drive around the block plus ppl go out during the good weather. Dr T agreed that the data didn’t prove anything. One of the best things I’ve heard journo say in the briefings. Usually talking through their hoop or asking the same thing day on day.

Fergal Bowers asked that question, he's one of the better journalists.

Most of them are pretty hopeless.

The questions aren't pre submitted to the best of my knowledge. Some of them in recent days are pretty direct and the DOH don't know the answer.

hmmm

aidoh wrote: »

It's a big gamble though, do you not think? Waiting AT LEAST 18 months for a vaccine that might NEVER come? Hopefully some good therapeutics will be developed sooner than that but as it stands there are still no reliable treatments.

So how many thousands will die because they haven't been treated for non C-19 illnesses for 18 months? How many families will dip below the poverty line in the next 18 months? How many relationships will break down due to frustrations, joblessness etc., leading to further homelessness? I hate to even think about this but how many suicides might we see for similar reasons?

I've no idea, but we have a reasonably good estimate of how many will die from Covid. We can only base our strategy on scientific advice, not gut feelings.

If serology proves that there is a massive iceberg, happy days -but it hasn't yet. The serology tests done worldwide point to approximately .65% mortality -not as bad as feared, but still close on 30,000 deaths in Ireland alone.

So I'm obviously not an expert but a short term "solution" to get a tiny sliver of normality back might be to redeploy some Gardaí to check in on shops, cafés etc. and ensure that social distancing is being adhered to. If not, the businesses responsible get shut down. I think that would be a lot more effective than fining people for being more than 2km away from their gaff.

In your opinion. If that's also the medical advice based on good science as to how the disease spreads, then we can make decisions based on that science - but that hasn't been conclusively proven yet.

I know we can't sustain a lockdown forever. But this idea that the government should be "rewarding" us for being good little boys and girls is childish - the government will do what it needs to do to keep the virus from spreading, and it might turn out we need to keep these restrictions exactly as they are until a vaccine arrives. A lot of people seem to think it's the government that is stopping us from lifting these restrictions, when it's actually Covid-19.

trapp

hmmm wrote: »

I've no idea, but we have a reasonably good estimate of how many will die from Covid. We can only base our strategy on scientific advice, not gut feelings.

If serology proves that there is a massive iceberg, happy days -but it hasn't yet. The serology tests done worldwide point to approximately .65% mortality -not as bad as feared, but still close on 30,000 deaths in Ireland alone.

In your opinion. If that's also the medical advice based on good science as to how the disease spreads, then we can make decisions based on that science - but that hasn't been conclusively proven yet.

I'm intrigued my poor friend as to how you see this playing out.

So, we all stay at home under the restricitions and everything that entails for, we'll be optimistic and say 18 months until somewhere in the world a reliable vaccine is developed.

What happens then?

Another few months until we get the vaccine into Ireland and another few months to vaccinate everybody.

So that's 24 months, being optimistic.

Please tell me my poor friend what kind of country you expect we will emerge to in May 2022?