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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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polesheep

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/taoiseach-under-pressure-from-cabinet-ministers-to-ease-coronavirus-restrictions-39164485.html

Interestingly

Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe was among those saying the social distancing rules should be eased, especially for those over 70 who have been asked to cocoon.

A Government source said Mr Donohoe argued for some flexibility with the current measures, saying that ministers “need to show the country some hope too - otherwise people will start losing faith”.

He is also believed to have said a strong government is needed to make tough public health and economic decisions during the coronavirus emergency.

Even if I don't agree with some of his policies, he always struck me as a strong and capable minister with his eye fixed firmly on his job rather than looking to see where the cameras are.

polesheep

Naos wrote: »

Perhaps my comment was not clear, we know the over 70s are the most at risk group.

If the situation was flipped and it was the younger groups, which presumably makes up the majority of boards, would people be as eager to end the lockdown.

Very few of the over 70s are still part of the workforce.

stephenjmcd

polesheep wrote: »

Even if I don't agree with some of his policies, he always struck me as a strong and capable minister with his eye fixed firmly on his job rather than looking to see where the cameras are.

Exactly, I think hes always told it as it is. He quite clearly knows it's a fine balance between public health and economic disaster on a larger scale than imagined. You just have to look at France today who've quite clearly highlighted the need to start to reopen the economy before its destroyed.

road_high

Cork981 wrote: »

And arrogant d**k head of the year award goes to road_high keyboard warrior.

Really? Thank you

Spencer Brown

begbysback wrote: »

Guess what Kermit, news flash the Reproduction rate is going to increase once restrictions are eased, learn to deal with it or the future is going to be very stressful for you.

But but lockdown forever

aidoh

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1255135447618957317

It certainly does Paul.

But certain people need to get to the pubs and get their hair done and stuff

...because priorities

Well done on another lazy post reducing peoples' very real concerns over the long-term implications of a lockdown with seemingly no exit strategy to "SelFisH pAdDy JuSt WaNtS tO gO tO tHe PuB!"

Bar one or two oddballs in this thread, or maybe pub landlords understandably, no one who is critical of the lockdown extensions here is demanding to be rammed into a pub any time soon. I'm so sick of that ridiculous scapegoat.

Letting some people get back to work so they can regain some certainty over paying bills and supporting their families.

Visiting the front garden of loved ones who we haven't seen in nearly two months and even just being able to talk to them through the p0xy window.

Perhaps going for a walk somewhere isolated that happens to be more than 20 minutes away from where we're currently holed up.

These are what people want to be able to do again ASAP without the threat of a fine or potential imprisonment... because priorities.

road_high

polesheep wrote: »

Very few of the over 70s are still part of the workforce.

More than there used to be. Which is great, they have lots to offer a team in my experience

Spencer Brown

road_high wrote: »

Really? Thank you

What is it with people with Cork in their username? We're not all that bad I promise.

hmmm

People seem to be blaming the government here for something.

The problem is the virus. Swap out the government and/or the entire health service and you have exactly the same problem. There is no way for government to reopen large amounts of our economy and social life unless we are willing to accept a large increase in death rate. No-one can magic up an "exit strategy" because there is none unless we develop a vaccine.

There is already outrage at the deaths of 80-year olds in nursing homes. What do you think it will be like if we saw large numbers of 30/40/50/60 year olds dying?

Gael23

gmisk wrote: »

45% of deaths are in nursing homes in Ireland, that is still a lot that aren't? So surely their must be plenty of deaths in the community?

I am honestly not sure the general public have kept to their side of the deal, I am afraid.
I have seen plenty that haven't.

I want the restrictions eased at the right time, and a plan to get things going again, but I can only see minor changes on the 5th.

The vast majority have

[Deleted User]

At this point, it simply doesn't matter what the Government decide. The people want an end to lockdown. There is no more difficulty getting a tesco delivery online as people are back going to the shops. People are out and about getting the exercise in. People that were getting deliveries for elder family members are now going the shop themselves and bringing it down. Businesses are starting to reopen if its at all possible. Thats why there is now more cars on the roads.

Regardless of what the government say on Friday, its time to start taking our freedom back.

Nothing is going to change in two weeks anyways. We know the demographic that are likely to die from covid. Advise them to cocoon.

When lockdown ends, the infection rate is going to increase. Ok course it is. There is no vaccine. But life must go on.

road_high

polesheep wrote: »

Even if I don't agree with some of his policies, he always struck me as a strong and capable minister with his eye fixed firmly on his job rather than looking to see where the cameras are.

I’d say he knows how bad the figures are and he appreciates that. No overly emotion driven with a realisation bills will need to be paid

Gael23

hmmm wrote: »

People seem to be blaming the government here for something.

The problem is the virus. Swap out the government and/or the entire health service and you have exactly the same problem. There is no way for government to reopen large amounts of our economy and social life unless we are willing to accept a large increase in death rate. No-one can magic up an "exit strategy" because there is none unless we develop a vaccine.

There is already outrage at the deaths of 80-year olds in nursing homes. What do you think it will be like if we saw large numbers of 30/40/50/60 year olds dying?

If the HSE were fit for purpose what’s happening in nursing homes would never have occurred

gmisk

Gael23 wrote: »

The vast majority have

I wish I was as confident as you.

road_high

hmmm wrote: »

People seem to be blaming the government here for something.

The problem is the virus. Swap out the government and/or the entire health service and you have exactly the same problem. There is no way for government to reopen large amounts of our economy and social life unless we are willing to accept a large increase in death rate. No-one can magic up an "exit strategy" because there is none unless we develop a vaccine.

There is already outrage at the deaths of 80-year olds in nursing homes. What do you think it will be like if we saw large numbers of 30/40/50/60 year olds dying?

Not at all. People rightly critical of their handling, especially re nursing homes and lack of balanced concern for people’s jobs

Arghus

hmmm wrote: »

Unless you have a vaccine in your back pocket, we are not "done".

Contact tracing etc is an attempt to help suppress the virus. It is not a fix.

Restrictions will continue until we get a vaccine, hopefully within 18 months. It's time for people to stop behaving like children expecting to get sweets from the government for good behaviour - this isn't about rewards, this is about suppressing the virus which is circulating.

What's happening now is exactly why the government tried to avoid locking down too early. The same crowd who were out "clapping for carers" and demanding an extreme lockdown are the same crowd I now see demanding to be left out to return to their normal lives.

Nail on the head mate.

Stheno

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What Leo has done in that picture is an absolute no no when it comes to facemasks.
What Leo has done is exactly why the public can't be trusted with face masks.

https://twitter.com/EddieHoareFG/status/1254891713832857605?s=20

Using a facemask incorrectly is a lot worse than using none ask any professional health care worker.

Why is Leo out in the community needlessly potentially exposing himself to the virus?

trapp

hmmm wrote: »

People seem to be blaming the government here for something.

The problem is the virus. Swap out the government and/or the entire health service and you have exactly the same problem. There is no way for government to reopen large amounts of our economy and social life unless we are willing to accept a large increase in death rate. No-one can magic up an "exit strategy" because there is none unless we develop a vaccine.

There is already outrage at the deaths of 80-year olds in nursing homes. What do you think it will be like if we saw large numbers of 30/40/50/60 year olds dying?

But that wouldn't happen my poor man, certainly not in large numbers.

The virus mostly affects the very elderly.

In a case the public want an easing of restrictions, not a removal entirely.

What is your solution my poor friend?

Hide in your bunker watching netflix for the rest of your life?

If not I'd love to hear your suggestion my poor man?

Gael23

gmisk wrote: »

I wish I was as confident as you.

Well the numbers that haven’t will only grow the longer this goes on without an end in sight.
To be honest I would like to be seeing heads roll within the HSE

road_high

Stheno wrote: »

Why is Leo out in the community needlessly potentially exposing himself to the virus?

He needs some more photos silly

GazzaL

According to The Irish Times, the plan is to shift the blame for the Government/HSE's failings onto the public.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/blame-for-expected-extended-lockdown-shifted-onto-the-public-1.4239955

People's lives are being destroyed, they're unable to see their familes and friends, they're losing jobs and businesses, they're not getting treatment for non-COVID related illnesses, and they're being told it's their own fault. I said it earlier about the HSE missing targets, quelle ****ing surprise. They can't hit the test numbers that they set out, so they think it's ok to hold everyone to ransom. They set their own ****ing target and they missed it, they're a bunch of clowns. Not to mention the cluster**** in nursing homes.

SusieBlue

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1255135447618957317

It certainly does Paul.

But certain people need to get to the pubs and get their hair done and stuff

...because priorities

That’s entirely disingenuous and a completely false representation of why 99.9% of people would like to see restrictions eased but don’t let that stop you in your quest to belittle and demean those who are honest enough to stand up and say that continuing the current situation is absolute madness.
Fake news of the highest order.

[Deleted User]

Ivan Yates giving it welly on Newstalk now about this lockdown. Good man Ivan! Asking difficult questions. He is asking why journalists are not allowed ask questions at these press briefings every night with Tony Holohan. Dead right.

Spencer Brown

SusieBlue wrote: »

That’s entirely disingenuous and a completely false representation of why 99.9% of people would like to see restrictions eased but don’t let that stop you in your quest to belittle and demean those who are honest enough to stand up and say that continuing the current situation is absolute madness.
Fake news of the highest order.

It's his style, trying to come across as well versed in multiple fields.

uli84

I’d faster die due to my illness complications since screening for them stopped than because of this virus, it’s a ridiculous carry on

hmmm

trapp wrote: »

But that wouldn't happen my poor man, certainly not in large numbers.

The virus mostly affects the very elderly.

Not true, but you can do your own research.

What is your solution my poor friend?

If not I'd love to hear your suggestion my poor man?

There is no short-term "solution". We all work together to suppress the virus, and hope a vaccine arrives in the next 18 months. This isn't about rewards for good behaviour.

We will have an 80% economy until a vaccine arrives. There is no other way unless we are happy to see large numbers of deaths in this country.

RugbyLad11

GazzaL wrote: »

According to The Irish Times, the plan is to shift the blame for the Government/HSE's failings onto the public.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/blame-for-expected-extended-lockdown-shifted-onto-the-public-1.4239955

People's lives are being destroyed, they're unable to see their familes and friends, they're losing jobs and businesses, they're not getting treatment for non-COVID related illnesses, and they're being told it's their own fault. I said it earlier about the HSE missing targets, quelle ****ing surprise. They can't hit the test numbers that they set out, so they think it's ok to hold everyone to ransom. They set their own ****ing target and they missed it, they're a bunch of clowns. Not to mention the cluster**** in nursing homes.

That's fantastic article

storker

trapp wrote: »

But that wouldn't happen my poor man, certainly not in large numbers.

The virus mostly affects the very elderly.

In a case the public want an easing of restrictions, not a removal entirely.

What is your solution my poor friend?

Hide in your bunker watching netflix for the rest of your life?

If not I'd love to hear your suggestion my poor man?

For crying out loud, you're still doing this?

SAMTALK

Deleted User wrote: »

Ivan Yates giving it welly on Newstalk now about this lockdown. Good man Ivan! Asking difficult questions. He is asking why journalists are not allowed ask questions at these press briefings every night with Tony Holohan. Dead right.

Ivan bleating on about hospital beds being empty and city west not being used

He's be the very one on whinging if we didnt have enough beds

He's a s**t stirrer and a pain in the h**e

Kermit.de.frog

The future is worse if the measures are lifted too early because you end up in an endless cycle until there is a vaccine.

This will do more economic and societal damage than the current measures.

Posters are free to deny it and believe differently of course.