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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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gmisk

road_high wrote: »

Delighted to hear it- survive or die at this stage. Businesses can't take 2 months of 0 revenues. Simon Harris knows zilch about running one, he's a walking picture of poor health and overcautious anxiety himself.

Zero need for a very low dig at Simon Harris and his health bizarrely...the man has Crohns ffs

ek motor

road_high wrote: »

Delighted to hear it- survive or die at this stage. Businesses can't take 2 months of 0 revenues. Simon Harris knows zilch about running one, he's a walking picture of poor health and overcautious anxiety himself.

Sneering at a man's health problems, truly pathetic.

Naos

For the people demanding the 'lockdown' end ASAP, would you genuinely be as quick to end the lockdown if the morbidity risk categories were different, for example those in their teens/30s/40's were the most at risk?

If yes then fair enough.

road_high

gmisk wrote: »

Zero need for a very low dig at Simon Harris and his health bizarrely...the man has Crohns ffs

Not at all- it colours his judegements and decsion making ala today's cabinent meeting. I don't care what illness he has and wish him well with that.
I would much prefer a more rounded and pragamtic person in Health than Harris. On this he is too reactionary and over cautious.

road_high

Naos wrote: »

For the people demanding the 'lockdown' end ASAP, would you genuinely be as quick to end the lockdown if the morbidity risk categories were different, for example those in their teens/30s/40's were the most at risk?

If yes then fair enough.

I'd see that as a personal situation and decision, possibly guided by your GP. Overweight-ness does increase the risk and if you are then its up to the individual to make that decision- I've zero problem with anyone self isolatting, forever if they so wish.

easypazz

Naos wrote: »

For the people demanding the 'lockdown' end ASAP, would you genuinely be as quick to end the lockdown if the morbidity risk categories were different, for example those in their teens/30s/40's were the most at risk?

If yes then fair enough.

Already debunked several times.

We are dealing with a real and deadly pandemic in front of us. Hypothetical scenarios are irrelevant.

Kermit.de.frog

road_high wrote: »

I'd see that as a personal situation and decision, possibly guided by your GP. Overweight-ness does increase the risk and if you are then its up to the individual to make that decision- I've zero problem with anyone self isolatting, forever if they so wish.

I hope you don't end up old and frail someday.

What goes around comes around.

SweetCaliber

Seems ministers have different views about the extension, some want it, some don't, will be interesting to see what comes of Fridays meeting:

https://beat102103.com/covid-19/cabinet-at-loggerheads-over-lockdown-plans/

gmisk

road_high wrote: »

Not at all- it colours his judegements and decsion making ala today's cabinent meeting. I don't care what illness he has and wish him well with that.
I would much prefer a more rounded and pragamtic person in Health than Harris. On this he is too reactionary and over cautious.

I am afraid that is complete and utter BS.
You can't in one comment say
"he's a walking picture of poor health" then say you don't care what illness he has.
You were using his condition to get a dig at him it is entirely unnecessary.
As people often say here play the ball not the man.

stephenjmcd

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/taoiseach-under-pressure-from-cabinet-ministers-to-ease-coronavirus-restrictions-39164485.html

Interestingly

Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe was among those saying the social distancing rules should be eased, especially for those over 70 who have been asked to cocoon.

A Government source said Mr Donohoe argued for some flexibility with the current measures, saying that ministers “need to show the country some hope too - otherwise people will start losing faith”.

He is also believed to have said a strong government is needed to make tough public health and economic decisions during the coronavirus emergency.

Naos

easypazz wrote: »

Already debunked several times.

We are dealing with a real and deadly pandemic in front of us. Hypothetical scenarios are irrelevant.

What has been debunked?

KrustyUCC

Friday is a done deal

That's all for optics

stephenjmcd

SweetCaliber wrote: »

Seems ministers have different views about the extension, some want it, some don't, will be interesting to see what comes of Fridays meeting:

https://beat102103.com/covid-19/cabinet-at-loggerheads-over-lockdown-plans/

Sounds that if they get it even cabinet mood is changing with some high profile ministers. This could be the last extension that gets cabinet approval

Downlinz

Naos wrote: »

For the people demanding the 'lockdown' end ASAP, would you genuinely be as quick to end the lockdown if the morbidity risk categories were different, for example those in their teens/30s/40's were the most at risk?

If yes then fair enough.

The same anti-lockdown people were showing themselves up as anti-vaxxers in the other thread so you can make your own conclusions on their life priorities.

Naos

road_high wrote: »

I'd see that as a personal situation and decision, possibly guided by your GP. Overweight-ness does increase the risk and if you are then its up to the individual to make that decision- I've zero problem with anyone self isolatting, forever if they so wish.

Perhaps my comment was not clear, we know the over 70s are the most at risk group.

If the situation was flipped and it was the younger groups, which presumably makes up the majority of boards, would people be as eager to end the lockdown.

road_high

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I hope you don't end up old and frail someday.

What goes around comes around.

If and when I do- I certainly won’t expect everyone else to close down just for me- that would be ridiculous and selfish.
Funnily enough I know several older people sick to death of this fear and lockdown- they want some semblance of life again.

KrustyUCC

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/taoiseach-under-pressure-from-cabinet-ministers-to-ease-coronavirus-restrictions-39164485.html

Interestingly

Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe was among those saying the social distancing rules should be eased, especially for those over 70 who have been asked to cocoon.

A Government source said Mr Donohoe argued for some flexibility with the current measures, saying that ministers “need to show the country some hope too - otherwise people will start losing faith”.

He is also believed to have said a strong government is needed to make tough public health and economic decisions during the coronavirus emergency.

Over 70s are out and about in a lot of cases

Cocooning is only a recommendation as it is

GolfNut33

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Friday is a done deal

That's all for optics

I agree. We're being treated like children at this stage. "If you're not good we're gonna keep the restrictions in place".

The reality is that the next step is already agreed and measures in place, whatever they are. Whatever happens this week, regarding people contracting the virus, won't be seen until next week and beyond anyway.

Gael23

Naos wrote: »

For the people demanding the 'lockdown' end ASAP, would you genuinely be as quick to end the lockdown if the morbidity risk categories were different, for example those in their teens/30s/40's were the most at risk?

If yes then fair enough.

The people dying are not in the community. They are in residential care and often in poor health anyway.
The general public have kept to their side of the bargain now it’s time for the government to do their bit and relax restrictions on Friday

polesheep

gozunda wrote: »

So ok you're moving that to disregarding certain 'experts' because you dont agree with them? How many experts are we going to get through before you might be finally happy?

Listen, I've said it once already. Stop telling me what I mean and attributing words and meaning to me that are not mine. You clearly only come on here for a row. I'm not going to engage, so spout whatever shi*e you like. I think most people on here have you sussed.

Cork981

road_high wrote: »

Delighted to hear it- survive or die at this stage. Businesses can't take 2 months of 0 revenues. Simon Harris knows zilch about running one, he's a walking picture of poor health and overcautious anxiety himself.

And arrogant d**k head of the year award goes to road_high keyboard warrior.

Snugglebunnies

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I haven't seen my partner in over 6 weeks and if there is 0 change in the restrictions on the 5th I'll still have to see my partner.

I live in near Dun Laoghaire and my partner is in city center. Would I be able to get away with going to city center for food shopping, let's say I want to go to one of the food specialist shops such as the Middle eastern supermarket...

I'm in the same boat. I haven't seen my boyfriend in 6 weeks. He works 8 km from my house. I'm going to have to see him soon.

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1255135447618957317

It certainly does Paul.

But certain people need to get to the pubs and get their hair done and stuff

...because priorities

amandstu

I notice there have been today announced expanded guidelines for testing.

One of the categories is those with a malignancy in the past 5 years

I imagine that must include a skin cancer ,even though I would put that (well some of them) on the less serious end of that particular spectrum.

Does that sound right?

GazzaL

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sounds that if they get it even cabinet mood is changing with some high profile ministers. This could be the last extension that gets cabinet approval

If they don't have a clear and credible plan for easing restrictions, people will use their own initiative like they've already been doing. There are even more cars and vans on the roads today despite the start of a major Garda operation.

Getting people to buy into a plan of easing restrictions while using social distancing and good hygiene is the most sensible way forwards. Lots of businesses are ready to open up, they've got their hand sanitiser and PPE, they've looked at how to control the movement of people and implement social distancing. Why on earth should they not be allowed to work responsibly?

Diarmuid

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

But certain people need to get to the pubs and get their hair done and stuff

"Stuff" being put food on the table and get their businesses off their knees. But you know that already

ChikiChiki

road_high wrote: »

Delighted to hear it- survive or die at this stage. Businesses can't take 2 months of 0 revenues. Simon Harris knows zilch about running one, he's a walking picture of poor health and overcautious anxiety himself.

A real nastiness about this post. Pure vitrol.

gmisk

Gael23 wrote: »

The people dying are not in the community. They are in residential care and often in poor health anyway.
The general public have kept to their side of the bargain now it’s time for the government to do their bit and relax restrictions on Friday

45% of deaths are in nursing homes in Ireland, that is still a lot that aren't? So surely their must be plenty of deaths in the community?

I am honestly not sure the general public have kept to their side of the deal, I am afraid.
I have seen plenty that haven't.

I want the restrictions eased at the right time, and a plan to get things going again, but I can only see minor changes on the 5th.

stephenjmcd

GazzaL wrote: »

If they don't have a clear and credible plan for easing restrictions, people will use their own initiative like they've already been doing. There are even more cars and vans on the roads today despite the start of a major Garda operation.

Getting people to buy into a plan of easing restrictions while using social distancing and good hygiene is the most sensible way forwards. Lots of businesses are ready to open up, they've got their hand sanitiser and PPE, they've looked at how to control the movement of people and implement social distancing. Why on earth should they not be allowed to work responsibly?

Yeah I'm just back from my local Aldi and theres plenty of traffic on the roads and major garda checkpoints too but no issue getting through them. Plenty of cars infront showing letters

begbysback

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1255135447618957317

It certainly does Paul.

But certain people need to get to the pubs and get their hair done and stuff

...because priorities

Guess what Kermit, news flash the Reproduction rate is going to increase once restrictions are eased, learn to deal with it or the future is going to be very stressful for you.