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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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gmisk

Gael23 wrote: »

The vast majority have

I wish I was as confident as you.

Gael23

hmmm wrote: »

People seem to be blaming the government here for something.

The problem is the virus. Swap out the government and/or the entire health service and you have exactly the same problem. There is no way for government to reopen large amounts of our economy and social life unless we are willing to accept a large increase in death rate. No-one can magic up an "exit strategy" because there is none unless we develop a vaccine.

There is already outrage at the deaths of 80-year olds in nursing homes. What do you think it will be like if we saw large numbers of 30/40/50/60 year olds dying?

If the HSE were fit for purpose what’s happening in nursing homes would never have occurred

road_high

polesheep wrote: »

Even if I don't agree with some of his policies, he always struck me as a strong and capable minister with his eye fixed firmly on his job rather than looking to see where the cameras are.

I’d say he knows how bad the figures are and he appreciates that. No overly emotion driven with a realisation bills will need to be paid

[Deleted User]

At this point, it simply doesn't matter what the Government decide. The people want an end to lockdown. There is no more difficulty getting a tesco delivery online as people are back going to the shops. People are out and about getting the exercise in. People that were getting deliveries for elder family members are now going the shop themselves and bringing it down. Businesses are starting to reopen if its at all possible. Thats why there is now more cars on the roads.

Regardless of what the government say on Friday, its time to start taking our freedom back.

Nothing is going to change in two weeks anyways. We know the demographic that are likely to die from covid. Advise them to cocoon.

When lockdown ends, the infection rate is going to increase. Ok course it is. There is no vaccine. But life must go on.

Gael23

gmisk wrote: »

45% of deaths are in nursing homes in Ireland, that is still a lot that aren't? So surely their must be plenty of deaths in the community?

I am honestly not sure the general public have kept to their side of the deal, I am afraid.
I have seen plenty that haven't.

I want the restrictions eased at the right time, and a plan to get things going again, but I can only see minor changes on the 5th.

The vast majority have

hmmm

People seem to be blaming the government here for something.

The problem is the virus. Swap out the government and/or the entire health service and you have exactly the same problem. There is no way for government to reopen large amounts of our economy and social life unless we are willing to accept a large increase in death rate. No-one can magic up an "exit strategy" because there is none unless we develop a vaccine.

There is already outrage at the deaths of 80-year olds in nursing homes. What do you think it will be like if we saw large numbers of 30/40/50/60 year olds dying?

Spencer Brown

road_high wrote: »

Really? Thank you

What is it with people with Cork in their username? We're not all that bad I promise.

road_high

polesheep wrote: »

Very few of the over 70s are still part of the workforce.

More than there used to be. Which is great, they have lots to offer a team in my experience

aidoh

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1255135447618957317

It certainly does Paul.

But certain people need to get to the pubs and get their hair done and stuff

...because priorities

Well done on another lazy post reducing peoples' very real concerns over the long-term implications of a lockdown with seemingly no exit strategy to "SelFisH pAdDy JuSt WaNtS tO gO tO tHe PuB!"

Bar one or two oddballs in this thread, or maybe pub landlords understandably, no one who is critical of the lockdown extensions here is demanding to be rammed into a pub any time soon. I'm so sick of that ridiculous scapegoat.

Letting some people get back to work so they can regain some certainty over paying bills and supporting their families.

Visiting the front garden of loved ones who we haven't seen in nearly two months and even just being able to talk to them through the p0xy window.

Perhaps going for a walk somewhere isolated that happens to be more than 20 minutes away from where we're currently holed up.

These are what people want to be able to do again ASAP without the threat of a fine or potential imprisonment... because priorities.

Spencer Brown

begbysback wrote: »

Guess what Kermit, news flash the Reproduction rate is going to increase once restrictions are eased, learn to deal with it or the future is going to be very stressful for you.

But but lockdown forever

road_high

Cork981 wrote: »

And arrogant d**k head of the year award goes to road_high keyboard warrior.

Really? Thank you

stephenjmcd

polesheep wrote: »

Even if I don't agree with some of his policies, he always struck me as a strong and capable minister with his eye fixed firmly on his job rather than looking to see where the cameras are.

Exactly, I think hes always told it as it is. He quite clearly knows it's a fine balance between public health and economic disaster on a larger scale than imagined. You just have to look at France today who've quite clearly highlighted the need to start to reopen the economy before its destroyed.

polesheep

Naos wrote: »

Perhaps my comment was not clear, we know the over 70s are the most at risk group.

If the situation was flipped and it was the younger groups, which presumably makes up the majority of boards, would people be as eager to end the lockdown.

Very few of the over 70s are still part of the workforce.

polesheep

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/taoiseach-under-pressure-from-cabinet-ministers-to-ease-coronavirus-restrictions-39164485.html

Interestingly

Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe was among those saying the social distancing rules should be eased, especially for those over 70 who have been asked to cocoon.

A Government source said Mr Donohoe argued for some flexibility with the current measures, saying that ministers “need to show the country some hope too - otherwise people will start losing faith”.

He is also believed to have said a strong government is needed to make tough public health and economic decisions during the coronavirus emergency.

Even if I don't agree with some of his policies, he always struck me as a strong and capable minister with his eye fixed firmly on his job rather than looking to see where the cameras are.

begbysback

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1255135447618957317

It certainly does Paul.

But certain people need to get to the pubs and get their hair done and stuff

...because priorities

Guess what Kermit, news flash the Reproduction rate is going to increase once restrictions are eased, learn to deal with it or the future is going to be very stressful for you.

stephenjmcd

GazzaL wrote: »

If they don't have a clear and credible plan for easing restrictions, people will use their own initiative like they've already been doing. There are even more cars and vans on the roads today despite the start of a major Garda operation.

Getting people to buy into a plan of easing restrictions while using social distancing and good hygiene is the most sensible way forwards. Lots of businesses are ready to open up, they've got their hand sanitiser and PPE, they've looked at how to control the movement of people and implement social distancing. Why on earth should they not be allowed to work responsibly?

Yeah I'm just back from my local Aldi and theres plenty of traffic on the roads and major garda checkpoints too but no issue getting through them. Plenty of cars infront showing letters

gmisk

Gael23 wrote: »

The people dying are not in the community. They are in residential care and often in poor health anyway.
The general public have kept to their side of the bargain now it’s time for the government to do their bit and relax restrictions on Friday

45% of deaths are in nursing homes in Ireland, that is still a lot that aren't? So surely their must be plenty of deaths in the community?

I am honestly not sure the general public have kept to their side of the deal, I am afraid.
I have seen plenty that haven't.

I want the restrictions eased at the right time, and a plan to get things going again, but I can only see minor changes on the 5th.

ChikiChiki

road_high wrote: »

Delighted to hear it- survive or die at this stage. Businesses can't take 2 months of 0 revenues. Simon Harris knows zilch about running one, he's a walking picture of poor health and overcautious anxiety himself.

A real nastiness about this post. Pure vitrol.

Diarmuid

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

But certain people need to get to the pubs and get their hair done and stuff

"Stuff" being put food on the table and get their businesses off their knees. But you know that already

GazzaL

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sounds that if they get it even cabinet mood is changing with some high profile ministers. This could be the last extension that gets cabinet approval

If they don't have a clear and credible plan for easing restrictions, people will use their own initiative like they've already been doing. There are even more cars and vans on the roads today despite the start of a major Garda operation.

Getting people to buy into a plan of easing restrictions while using social distancing and good hygiene is the most sensible way forwards. Lots of businesses are ready to open up, they've got their hand sanitiser and PPE, they've looked at how to control the movement of people and implement social distancing. Why on earth should they not be allowed to work responsibly?

amandstu

I notice there have been today announced expanded guidelines for testing.

One of the categories is those with a malignancy in the past 5 years

I imagine that must include a skin cancer ,even though I would put that (well some of them) on the less serious end of that particular spectrum.

Does that sound right?

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/1255135447618957317

It certainly does Paul.

But certain people need to get to the pubs and get their hair done and stuff

...because priorities

Snugglebunnies

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I haven't seen my partner in over 6 weeks and if there is 0 change in the restrictions on the 5th I'll still have to see my partner.

I live in near Dun Laoghaire and my partner is in city center. Would I be able to get away with going to city center for food shopping, let's say I want to go to one of the food specialist shops such as the Middle eastern supermarket...

I'm in the same boat. I haven't seen my boyfriend in 6 weeks. He works 8 km from my house. I'm going to have to see him soon.

Cork981

road_high wrote: »

Delighted to hear it- survive or die at this stage. Businesses can't take 2 months of 0 revenues. Simon Harris knows zilch about running one, he's a walking picture of poor health and overcautious anxiety himself.

And arrogant d**k head of the year award goes to road_high keyboard warrior.

polesheep

gozunda wrote: »

So ok you're moving that to disregarding certain 'experts' because you dont agree with them? How many experts are we going to get through before you might be finally happy?

Listen, I've said it once already. Stop telling me what I mean and attributing words and meaning to me that are not mine. You clearly only come on here for a row. I'm not going to engage, so spout whatever shi*e you like. I think most people on here have you sussed.

Gael23

Naos wrote: »

For the people demanding the 'lockdown' end ASAP, would you genuinely be as quick to end the lockdown if the morbidity risk categories were different, for example those in their teens/30s/40's were the most at risk?

If yes then fair enough.

The people dying are not in the community. They are in residential care and often in poor health anyway.
The general public have kept to their side of the bargain now it’s time for the government to do their bit and relax restrictions on Friday

GolfNut33

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Friday is a done deal

That's all for optics

I agree. We're being treated like children at this stage. "If you're not good we're gonna keep the restrictions in place".

The reality is that the next step is already agreed and measures in place, whatever they are. Whatever happens this week, regarding people contracting the virus, won't be seen until next week and beyond anyway.

KrustyUCC

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/taoiseach-under-pressure-from-cabinet-ministers-to-ease-coronavirus-restrictions-39164485.html

Interestingly

Minister for Finance Paschal Donohoe was among those saying the social distancing rules should be eased, especially for those over 70 who have been asked to cocoon.

A Government source said Mr Donohoe argued for some flexibility with the current measures, saying that ministers “need to show the country some hope too - otherwise people will start losing faith”.

He is also believed to have said a strong government is needed to make tough public health and economic decisions during the coronavirus emergency.

Over 70s are out and about in a lot of cases

Cocooning is only a recommendation as it is

road_high

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I hope you don't end up old and frail someday.

What goes around comes around.

If and when I do- I certainly won’t expect everyone else to close down just for me- that would be ridiculous and selfish.
Funnily enough I know several older people sick to death of this fear and lockdown- they want some semblance of life again.

Naos

road_high wrote: »

I'd see that as a personal situation and decision, possibly guided by your GP. Overweight-ness does increase the risk and if you are then its up to the individual to make that decision- I've zero problem with anyone self isolatting, forever if they so wish.

Perhaps my comment was not clear, we know the over 70s are the most at risk group.

If the situation was flipped and it was the younger groups, which presumably makes up the majority of boards, would people be as eager to end the lockdown.