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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Tenzor07

hmmm wrote: »

I never understand people who take two isolated incidents and make these huge statements on the back of them.
Our people working in health have made enormous efforts to control this, as has the whole country by quickly adopting restrictions without requiring much in the way of enforcement. Not everything is going to be perfect in a crisis. Time to stop talking what we have done down.

Hang on a second, there's "not perfect" and there's downright incompetence, and the current governments response is somewhere in between, and will be subject to inquiry after the virus is under control!
Will there be consequences for those who are making the decisions now, probably not, however many citizens will still be paying the price in terms of lost loved ones, economic ruin and poor health both mental and physical.

the kelt

hmmm wrote: »

I never understand people who take two isolated incidents and make these huge statements on the back of them.

Our people working in health have made enormous efforts to control this, as has the whole country by quickly adopting restrictions without requiring much in the way of enforcement. Not everything is going to be perfect in a crisis. Time to stop talking what we have done down.

Genuinely im not talking down what we have done, what we have done has been phenomenal to be honest and again i accept not everything is going to be perfect.

What gets me is this perception that its the fault of the ordinary fella breaking a 2k restriction on his exercise and like i seen on this thread a few days ago people thinking it was proper order for a fella to have his boot searched for groceries whilst others can do what they want as they have done in my local town for example.

I think we have been fantastic as a people which is why it irks me to see a tut tut and a finger being wagged at the ordinary person trying their best to get through this whilst it seems everyone isnt held to the same account including those making key decisions for the country

Your're right it has been a huge effort.

Midlife

Hearty80 wrote: »

Yes teacher, with your condescending tone to posters worried about their future lives. While you sit at home on full pay. It must be lovely.

Now who's being condescending.

I just don't get how you link that you start with the fact your husband lacks running water in his job and then have a go at teachers. Surely his employer would be a good place to start.

I'm sure you would be disappointed if you wandered into a thread on covid 19 and found that people were using it to have a go at construction workers.

Allow me to feel the same. Apologies but its quite offensive.

Discodog

prunudo wrote: »

Landscaping is not on the essential list. Growers and nurseries maybe but not landscaping.

Read the Act not the government spin.

ixoy

Downlinz wrote: »

We know the WHO targets and we know the government are following the WHO model so we have that information already.

Are all these other countries, who now actual have an outline of what's next, following this plan and meeting these targets? I'd be surprised if they have, especially given the variance in reporting.

Hearty80

growleaves wrote: »

Then construction workers should start unions and learn how to wield political power.

The water charges protests showed this can be done by ordinary (i.e. ordinarily powerless) people.

But we're drifting off-topic now.

They absolutely should, imagine working 30 years in a job and not getting a single days sick pay. Sickness equals holidays.

hmmm

the kelt wrote: »

I mean travellers with free reign to do what they want, loopholes for people from Northern Ireland

I never understand people who take two isolated incidents and make these huge statements on the back of them.

Our people working in health have made enormous efforts to control this, as has the whole country by quickly adopting restrictions without requiring much in the way of enforcement. Not everything is going to be perfect in a crisis. Time to stop talking what we have done down.

Tenzor07

Meanwhile over in Germany the authorities were able to close down an entire apartment block and test all residents on-site for Covid so as to control the virus, meanwhile in Ireland if you want a test due to suspected Covid you're told to self-isolate.

Also surgical face masks can be purchased from Vending machines at all public transportation locations.

Hearty80

Midlife wrote: »

Wow!! This is now about public servents and especially teachers.

Just wow!

Yes teacher, with your condescending tone to posters worried about their future lives. While you sit at home on full pay. It must be lovely.

growleaves

Hearty80 wrote: »

I actually do want the economy to start up again, but treat everyone as equals.

Then construction workers should start unions and learn how to wield political power.

The water charges protests showed this can be done by ordinary (i.e. ordinarily powerless) people.

But we're drifting off-topic now.

Downlinz

AdamD wrote: »

Transparency. The government presumably know what targets needed to be hit for restrictions to be lifted, but they've not told us. And if they don't know, well that's even more unforgivable.

We should have been given a plan 2 weeks ago

We know the WHO targets and we know the government are following the WHO model so we have that information already.

That criteria is:

Transmission is controlled
Health system capacities are in place to detect, test, isolate and treat every case and trace every contact
Outbreak risks are minimised in special settings like health facilities and nursing homes
Preventive measures are in place in workplaces, schools and other places where it’s essential for people to go
Importation risks can be managed
Communities are fully educated, engaged and empowered to adjust to the ‘new norm’

We're clearly falling short on both the target of same day testing for everyone and the level of control in special settings.
Once we're in a position where nursing homes are under control and any person with symptoms can get a test and results on the same day then we'll be in a place to end lockdown.

Midlife

Wow!! This is now about public servents and especially teachers.

Just wow!

the kelt

gozunda wrote: »

Some seem to think that the government is in active discussion with the virus.

And as soon as negotiations are done - they can come out waving a 'Peace in our time' type declaration.

Funny they seem to forget 1) we cant negotiate with a virus and 2) the last time that type of shenanigans was declared - the world ended up in all out conflict and carnage

But sure we need to be 'rewarded' ...

:rolleyes:

No they cant negotiate with the virus.

They can however be up front with the people of the country in regards to whats happened with the mess in the nursing homes, the issues with contact tracing, the issues with testing, they could insist the minutes of meeting between the NPHET and the government etc are released to the public like they had been up to the 31st of March.

polesheep

gozunda wrote: »

Maybe you should get on the phone and check with the virus? I'm sure it will be able to tell you what different phase will be coming up and what that will look like ...

After that we are sorted. Grand stuff ...

Or perhaps get on the phone to NPHET. If they don't know what phase is coming up then they should stand aside and let someone else take over.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

People have always been able to make their own choices.

The argument does not exist.

Except this time they haven't. Not legally. That's the whole point of the thread.

Hearty80

Hearty80 wrote: »

Oh as usual throw the construction workers to the wolves, sure no one gives a ****e about them anyway. My husband had no running water to wash their hands in his job before this lockdown started. Imagine if teachers had no running water?? The unions would close the country?

I actually do want the economy to start up again, but treat everyone as equals.

Hearty80

facehugger99 wrote: »

Most of them are out doing that anyway. I'm in a well-established estate with a lot of older residents and they're all out walking regularly - and rightly so.

Allowing older residents out and extending the 2km radius to 5km or 10km will make absolutely no difference to the devastating economic effects we are experiencing.

We need to get Construction back and running and we need small businesses back and running. Why are the Govt. not publishing guidelines that small businesses can begin to implement that would allow them to trade but lessen the risks of transmission to their staff and the public.

It is outrageous what is currently happening to this country. We are being presided over by bureaucrats that are part of the highly remunerated public service 'jobs-for life brigade'.They have absolutely no understanding of the challenges of life in the private sector.

You can bet your arse that the recession we face into, just like the last one, will all be about ensuring no public servant loses their job or faces too bad a pay cut. Infrastructure spending will be slashed and the construction industry fcuked over once again except this time there will be no emigration as a safety valve.

Covid-19 is a joke compared to what is coming - the penny will start to drop with the lockdown merchants eventually but by then it will be too late.

Oh as usual throw the construction workers to the wolves, sure no one gives a ****e about them anyway. My husband had no running water to wash their hands in his job before this lockdown started. Imagine if teachers had no running water?? The unions would close the country?

gozunda

is_that_so wrote: »

No, the plan is for this week. We're looking at a different phase coming up and people need to know what that will look like.

Maybe you should get on the phone and check with the virus? I'm sure it will be able to tell you what different phase will be coming up and what that will look like ...

After that we are sorted. Grand stuff ...

polesheep

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How do you know people have not seen other people fall ill around them? You might not have seen it.

That's the feiner attitude right there.

Of course some people have, in general though, most have not. It's a cop out to bring things down to the personal experience when we are talking about society as a whole. And the point is, the longer people don't see the effects of Covid-19 first hand, the easier it becomes for them to reduce its importance. Especially when they consider what it is costing them.

Jinglejangle69

AdamD wrote: »

Transparency. The government presumably know what targets needed to be hit for restrictions to be lifted, but they've not told us. And if they don't know, well that's even more unforgivable.

We should have been given a plan 2 weeks ago

Friday all will be revealed.

_Kaiser_

polesheep wrote: »

If they don't ease restrictions on May 5th you will be just one of many people doing as they please, so I wouldn't worry about it. But if you are basing this on the clickbait article in the Independent... don't, it's a rag that publishes lies and nonsense.

My thought is that this has been floated so that when a slightly less restrictive plan is announced "we" will all feel like something has been "won".

Personally I haven't been home for 6 weeks and am still worried about that (live alone so security if nothing else) . I may just go regardless. Even if I end up not able to get back to where I am now, it'll only be for a fortnight.

There's zero risk in it - straight motorway drive from A to B and no people at the far end.

[Deleted User]

Midlife wrote: »

Jesus, this is miserable reading.

What is some people's problem.

It can't all be spelt out for you because it's evolving.

They took measures, they took more measures, they said they'll meet now to discuss where to go next.

You wanted, what? An exact three month plan published 2 months ago?

Transparency. The government presumably know what targets needed to be hit for restrictions to be lifted, but they've not told us. And if they don't know, well that's even more unforgivable.

We should have been given a plan 2 weeks ago

gozunda

Midlife wrote: »

Jesus, this is miserable reading.
What is some people's problem.
It can't all be spelt out for you because it's evolving.
They took measures, they took more measures, they said they'll meet now to discuss where to go next.
You wanted, what? An exact three month plan published 2 months ago?

Some seem to think that the government is in active discussion with the virus.

And as soon as negotiations are done - they can come out waving a 'Peace in our time' type declaration.

Funny they seem to forget 1) we cant negotiate with a virus and 2) the last time that type of shenanigans was declared - the world ended up in all out conflict and carnage

But sure we need to be 'rewarded' ...

:rolleyes:

Jinglejangle69

is_that_so wrote: »

No, the plan is for this week. We're looking at a different phase coming up and people need to know what that will look like.

Can you not just wait until friday?

Spoiles kids doesn't even half describe it.

facehugger99

Gael23 wrote: »

Newstakk saying the over 70s will be allowed out for limited exercise

Most of them are out doing that anyway. I'm in a well-established estate with a lot of older residents and they're all out walking regularly - and rightly so.

Allowing older residents out and extending the 2km radius to 5km or 10km will make absolutely no difference to the devastating economic effects we are experiencing.

We need to get Construction back and running and we need small businesses back and running. Why are the Govt. not publishing guidelines that small businesses can begin to implement that would allow them to trade but lessen the risks of transmission to their staff and the public.

It is outrageous what is currently happening to this country. We are being presided over by bureaucrats that are part of the highly remunerated public service 'jobs-for life brigade'.They have absolutely no understanding of the challenges of life in the private sector.

You can bet your arse that the recession we face into, just like the last one, will all be about ensuring no public servant loses their job or faces too bad a pay cut. Infrastructure spending will be slashed and the construction industry fcuked over once again except this time there will be no emigration as a safety valve.

Covid-19 is a joke compared to what is coming - the penny will start to drop with the lockdown merchants eventually but by then it will be too late.

polesheep

Benimar wrote: »

And people breaking restrictions, possibly putting others health at risk isn't me feinism??

That's a different argument.

is_that_so

Midlife wrote: »

Jesus, this is miserable reading.

What is some people's problem.

It can't all be spelt out for you because it's evolving.

They took measures, they took more measures, they said they'll meet now to discuss where to go next.

You wanted, what? An exact three month plan published 2 months ago?

No, the plan is for this week. We're looking at a different phase coming up and people need to know what that will look like.

polesheep

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

People have always been able to make their own choices.

The argument does not exist.

Nonsense, the point is that they will change their choice.

Midlife

Jesus, this is miserable reading.

What is some people's problem.

It can't all be spelt out for you because it's evolving.

They took measures, they took more measures, they said they'll meet now to discuss where to go next.

You wanted, what? An exact three month plan published 2 months ago?

is_that_so

Benimar wrote: »

And people breaking restrictions, possibly putting others health at risk isn't me feinism??

Putting others at risk is a general justifying support for restrictions not evidential. IMO we are largely complying but for how much longer. This is a reminder of how important and urgently required a good antibody test is.