Naos wrote: » You mentioned earlier you went for a 15km drive. Let's say someone else that has Covid went on a 15km drive and stopped at a petrol station to fill up. This petrol station is beside your mothers nursing home in a community that has no known Covid cases. That person infects the Petrol Station employee and a Carer who is getting in the station picking up something for lunch. That Carer then brings it back into the nursing home and it infects your mother. That's why there's a 2km limit.
hmmm wrote: » Perhaps, but the Imperial modelling paper presented to the UK government modeled restrictions of just isolating the vulnerable and it still led to an overload of hospital and ICU capacity. That's why the UK reversed course and instituted a lockdown themselves. There's no easy answer here - there will be afterwards in hindsight, but right now we don't know enough about the disease. (edit) Paper available here - https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf"However, this “optimal” mitigation scenario would still result in an 8-fold higher peak demand on critical care beds over and above the available surge capacity in both GB and the US. "
Deleted User wrote: » I understand about Nursing Homes and older people, my mother is in one and I haven’t seen her for 7weeks , which is adding to this overall feeling of anxiety.
Cina wrote: » It's funny how people always go to Sweden to cite an example yet politely ignore what happened in Italy, Spain, the US etc.
Dontfadeaway wrote: » Nothing is going to change within those 2 weeks. People are just going to ignore the rules if it’s extended again and again
Naos wrote: » You mentioned earlier you went for a 15km drive. Let's say someone else that has Covid went on a 15km drive and stopped at a petrol station to fill up. This petrol station is beside your mothers nursing home in a community that has no known Covid cases.That person infects the Petrol Station employee and a Carer who is getting in the station picking up something for lunch. That Carer then brings it back into the nursing home and it infects your mother. That's why there's a 2km limit.
Podge201 wrote: » Spanish flu came from Spain.
Stark wrote: » No that's not why there's a 2km limit. Maybe that's a benefit that emerges from it but people are making up narratives to justify the original policy decision. It was a kneejerk response to people "crowding beauty spots". Nothing more.
batman_oh wrote: » So only people from outside 2km can spread it? Not the ones that the petrol stations are open for or the people queuing up for shopping or passing hundreds of others on a walk because they are all stuck within 2km in heavily populated areas?
the kelt wrote: » Sweet jesus!!! The 2km is just for exercise.
hmmm wrote: » The serology tests elsewhere in the world are showing an iceberg, but the fatality rate is coming in around .65%. That's nearly 30,000 deaths in Ireland. Flu kills less than a hundred in Ireland every year.Still too high, particularly as it means severely overloaded hospitals if left unchecked.
thebaz wrote: » People are begining to question the Imperial modelling paper accuracy - its projections have not played out in Sweden.
facehugger99 wrote: » If the rumours are true about the pathetic relaxations of the current restrictions than it is clear we are dealing with a caretaker Govt. that has become paralyzed with fear and incapable to making decisions. I hope people take it upon themselves to send a clear message that this is unacceptable. Our jobs, prosperities and children's futures are being flushed down the toilet by a Taoiseach and Ministers too scared to face down the social-media hysteria merchants.
hmmm wrote: » Perhaps, but the Imperial modelling paper presented to the UK government modeled restrictions of just isolating the vulnerable and it still led to an overload of hospital and ICU capacity. That's why the UK reversed course and instituted a lockdown themselves. [/I]
Dravokivich wrote: » Yeah, like all those beauty spots in Wuhan, Lombardo, Barcelona... It's not like this is some sort of highly transmitable desease we are unable to fight off or anything. We need to keep the beauty spots, clear...
lord quackinton wrote: » Sweden Chances of dying from corona .02% - no lockdown Uk Chances of dying from corona .03% - late to lockdown and Large population Ireland Chances of dying from corona .02% - early to lockdown and small population. Half of Sweden’s population America Chances of dying from corona .017% - Donald trump has received world criticism and is held been personally accountable for the thousands of deaths These percentages will be decreased when there is time to review the deaths How many people passed away with the virus but not from the virus will decrease the percentages Time to open up
Only in a year from now can we know if the Swedish approach has been proven right,"
gw80 wrote: » Can someone explain to me the difference between this virus and the spanish flu? Some people are talking about "life will never be the same again" but by a lot of accounts the spanish flu killed between 50 and 100 million people and there was no such talk of vaccines or viral drugs but yet it only lasted a year or so, after it killed all it was going to kill and the rest became immune, What is the difference here bearing in mind this disease is less deadly than the spanish flu and we have the chance of a vaccine or viral drug on our side also, I think this virus will just run its coarse whatever we do, Except we have the hope of finding a vaccine or viral drug to help, Life did return to normal after the spanosh flu
easypazz wrote: » 90% are over 65 though. Many more have a known underlying condition. Put solid protective measures in place for those and our worst case scenario death rate, assuming everybody gets it is much lower. Anybody concerned about themselves can continue to exercise social distancing etc. Spread over a number of years we could have a very manageable level of illness.
boring accountant wrote: » Source for that claim?
Stark wrote: » No that's not why there's a 2km limit. People are making up narratives to justify it. It was a kneejerk response to people "crowding beauty spots". Nothing more.
FishOnABike wrote: » I would think not a hope of this happening. The junior certificate has effectively been csncelled. Even managing a limited number of students in a tightly controlled environment to sit the leaving certificate isn't happening until the end of July / start of August. The detail around that, social distancing, pinch points at entrance and exits, supervision, timetable, transport, etc... still need to be worked out. Some third level institutions have indicated they will be delaying the start of 2020/2021 term until the end of September with a changed lecturing format of a mixture of online and on campus lectures, first year intake deferred for another month and first term exams deferred to January. There are reports of virus bearing micro droplets remaining suspended in the air for a considerable time in highly populated and poorly ventilated rooms. This, combined with the level of mixing in corridors before, between and after classes will mean that schools reopening will be well down the list. I can't see it making any sense to reopen schools before the natural break of the Summer holidays.
hmmm wrote: » The serology tests elsewhere in the world are showing an iceberg, but the fatality rate is coming in around .65%. That's nearly 30,000 deaths in Ireland. Flu kills less than a hundred in Ireland every year. Still too high, particularly as it means severely overloaded hospitals if left unchecked.
Deleted User wrote: » The Government dropped then ball on nursing homes, my own mother is locked up in one........so we all have to pay the price for this on the outside ? How does me going for a 10km walk increase numbers in Nursing Homes ?
munsterlegend wrote: » Is there any possibility now of the restriction on schools reopening being lifted? I actually thought the primary schools would reopen before the end of June. Now I am not so sure.
