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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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hmmm

robbiezero wrote: »

What is the probability of transmission of the virus for someone who has been obeying the restrictions and keeping social distancing, visiting elderly parents (who have been doing the same) and meeting them in their garden for a chat while keeping the 2 metres distance for a few hours?

Very little I expect which is why our numbers are declining, and all allowed under the current restrictions.

Once we lift restrictions, the numbers start to rise. The only question is how fast, and the only way we have to measure this rise is to release restrictions extremely gradually.

awec

Penfailed wrote: »

Really?! Anyone else saying this has been branded as a 'lockdown nazi' or a member of the 'lockdown brigade'...by you!

Pretty sure that has been targeted at the balloons who think the lockdown measures should just go on indefinitely.

Nobody on here expects normality May 5th.

robbiezero

hmmm wrote: »

Mental health is going to be badly affected if the virus starts going exponential again and the news is full of reports of overloaded ICU departments.

Then we'll be back to lighting candles at 8pm, but with new haircuts.

What is the probability of transmission of the virus for someone who has been obeying the restrictions and keeping social distancing, visiting elderly parents (who have been doing the same) and meeting them in their garden for a chat while keeping the 2 metres distance for a few hours?

Penfailed

easypazz wrote: »

All these articles are just journalists making predictions, in fact we are probably doing a better job on here.

Fast food chains to be allowed reopen for takeaway?

They are already allowed open for takeaway, lots of them are, including Supermac.

Nothing new in these articles at all.

Construction to restart from next week, roadmap for everything else, phased reopening and stepback if cases get out of hand.

Nobody ever expected back to normal next Tuesday.

Really?! Anyone else saying this has been branded as a 'lockdown nazi' or a member of the 'lockdown brigade'...by you!

hmmm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os1TJHJ_ijc

awec

To date it has worked as they've enjoyed the support of the population, because the population was told it was temporary.

Despite what you read on here, there's been excellent compliance to date with the measures. But I have noticed it starting to creak. Without some clear roadmap for relaxing, and an explanation as to why they're being extended, then compliance is certain to drop significantly and there's no way it will last another 3 weeks.

And again, despite what you read on here, there's nothing the government will be able to do about it.

prunudo

Penfailed wrote: »

Well...no. They questioned the justification for a lockdown until a vaccine is found. That's not feasible. They didn't question the justification for a continuation of current restrictions.

He did, and specifically said if a painter is doing work while observing good practice what is the issue, that we need to learn to live with this disease as the model of the current lockdown isnt the answer.

Spencer Brown

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

It's seems obvious at this stage that the lockdown is being extended because they don't have different elements to control an outbreak in place i.e testing, contact tracing. How can it all hinge on a couple of admissions to ICU more than anticipated? If they feel they cant deal with a few extra admissions then why would they ever lift restrictions?! And you know I think if they came out and said to us that there have been delays but by May 14th for example we will be in a solid position to deal with it then people would accept it.
But this slight blame game going on last week about more people out and about is not sitting well with people...more specifically the 90% of people who are following the rules as they have been asked.
For the record I do support this lockdown and the next couple of weeks if that's what it takes (not sure if I could take much more after that) but I think a bit more openness and honesty would go a long way.

This is all most people are asking for, briefing the media with ideas before you officially announce them is a cowardly approach.

Cina

Nermal wrote: »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabrielleigh/2020/04/27/the-predicted-coronavirus-catastrophe-hasnt-arrived-in-sweden-whats-next/#7b44042b3caf

Sweden: roads busy. Shops busy. Travel agents busy. One can avail of luxuries forgotten here such as, for instance, a haircut. Spend the evening at a packed barbeque.

Field hospitals empty.

We're in the midst of a mass delusion.

It's funny how people always go to Sweden to cite an example yet politely ignore what happened in Italy, Spain, the US etc.

hmmm

is_that_so wrote: »

Now the question of collective mental health becomes as much an issue as controlling the spread of the virus.

Mental health is going to be badly affected if the virus starts going exponential again and the news is full of reports of overloaded ICU departments.

Then we'll be back to lighting candles at 8pm, but with new haircuts.

is_that_so

jonnny68 wrote: »

yep if they announce a 2 week extension then a substantial amount of people will do their own thing, people are at breaking point as it stands.

Now the question of collective mental health becomes as much an issue as controlling the spread of the virus.

Idbatterim

kenmm wrote: »

You mean they can ease restrictions because they are better run or what?

Yeah and they arent crippled with fear and they are rational. The government here, is basically led by what they think social media will make if a situation. They would prefer ten corona related suicides, to one corona virus death, as they wouldn't show up in these bull**** figures we hear every day!

The vast majority in these daily figures we hear, have recovered!

I'd love to see what they plan on doing if a few hundred thousand walk out their front doors and March on the dail!

jonnny68

Deleted User wrote: »

Count me in, I’m done with this.

me as well, enough is enough im 100% not staying in lockdown for another fortnight after this bank holiday weekend,obviously many restrictions have to stay in place but the 2km limit and older people not allowed out has to be lifted.

road_high

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The message from media at the moment has to be no they won't lift restrictions. It'll be at the last minute they don't want us to get complacent this week. There towing the party line at the moment which is the right thing to do.
Wait and see what Ivan Yates has to say about it this evening, he's not in the bull**** business.

To be fair he’s one of the few talking abut the economic fallout and the huge costs. As well as the empty hospitals we are paying for.

[Deleted User]

jonnny68 wrote: »

yep if they announce a 2 week extension then a substantial amount of people will do their own thing, people are at breaking point as it stands.

Count me in, I’m done with this.

Idbatterim

facehugger99 wrote: »

If the rumours are true about the pathetic relaxations of the current restrictions than it is clear we are dealing with a caretaker Govt. that has become paralyzed with fear and incapable to making decisions.

I hope people take it upon themselves to send a clear message that this is unacceptable.

Our jobs, prosperities and children's futures are being flushed down the toilet by a Taoiseach and Ministers too scared to face down the social-media hysteria merchants.

Yeah, but this is the governance we have had for decades, weak , populist, wanting consensus from everyone etc. They laugh at trump here, we have the other extreme, I dont know why we bother with elections, these wasters are all the same and offer nothing different, crippled with conservatism and fear

callaway92

easypazz wrote: »

You obviously don't understand how the media works.

A newspaper never refused ink.

lord quackinton

What people want Tuesday at minimum are
All hardware stores open
All construction sites open
2km bull**** scrapped - nonsense anyway
All offices open - work remote if possible
All schools open for leaving cert students
Road map listing dates for all other important milestones

Any less and People will start breaking all restrictions

hmmm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The sad thing is despite all of the restrictions on the public, half of our deaths occurred in long term care settings or nursing homes. That's a failure by the department of health and the HSE not on the restrictions of the general population.

I'm not sure what you expect the HSE to do. Nursing homes have huge amounts of staff, and if we have virus spread in the community it is going to get into nursing homes. We don't have unlimited PPE, and nursing home staff can't be expected to go around wearing PPE all day. Neither can testing fix this, that only finds the virus after you've been infected.

I find it odd to see all those people on this thread saying "the government didn't protect the nursing homes" having no problem also saying that "restrictions should be lifted". The whole point of restrictions are to reduce community spread, which in turn reduces the chances nursing home workers become infected.

Tenzor07

SNNUS wrote: »

The way they release this information is so disrespectful, clap along the government if you like and don the green jersey shoite but the virus is going nowhere so if lock down is their only forward plan don't complain when you see people out etc when walking your dog...

That sort of goodwill is running out for the lockdown measures, time to start treating the people of Ireland like adults!
If we see someone about to run out in front of a Bus and get killed we will run and try and grab them back from being killed.
If we're told stay in lockdown for another 2 weeks at least with no clear plans then we're just left sat there getting annoyed, not knowing what do do other than being a healthy person confined to home.

No one I know has been tested for Covid, only this week the Fire service personnel can get tests.
Nursing homes haven't got the PPE they need to function.
Testing is still aiming for 100k tests, sure why not make it 200k tests, sounds just as aspirational!

jonnny68

Gael23 wrote: »

Yes theres 7 days until May 5th but a decisinwill be made in advance of that date. Public support is diminishing so people will begin doing their own thing anyway

yep if they announce a 2 week extension then a substantial amount of people will do their own thing, people are at breaking point as it stands.

Idbatterim

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Newstalk News at 8am saying lockdown is likely to continue............for another 2 weeks

Yeah and it will be extended after that , somebody needs to tell the government that this virus isnt going anywhere, any time soon

robbiezero

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m not on here during the day. I’m gardening or walking.
I listen to News first thing in the morning , 8am, then 9 o clock News at night , missed it last night so I watched Claire Byrne instead. That’s it .

I’m not on here all day, it would wreck my head.

Your not missing anything. A lot of attention seekers butting heads for the most part.

easypazz

callaway92 wrote: »

Where did I say that? Cop on to yourself and get a grip.

I was explaining how journalism works.

You obviously don't understand how the media works.

A newspaper never refused ink.

[Deleted User]

kippy wrote: »

Stop listening to as much news or being on here. Assume they will continue for two more weeks.
Try break away from reading or listening to anything about this if you find it so upsetting.
Try not worry about the uncontrollables

I’m not on here during the day. I’m gardening or walking.
I listen to News first thing in the morning , then 9 o clock News at night , missed it last night so I watched Claire Byrne instead. To be honest with the wall to wall coverage it’s hard to avoid it, even on car radio. It’s everywhere.

I’m not on here all day, it would wreck my head

The HorsesMouth

It's seems obvious at this stage that the lockdown is being extended because they don't have different elements to control an outbreak in place i.e testing, contact tracing. How can it all hinge on a couple of admissions to ICU more than anticipated? If they feel they cant deal with a few extra admissions then why would they ever lift restrictions?! And you know I think if they came out and said to us that there have been delays but by May 14th for example we will be in a solid position to deal with it then people would accept it.
But this slight blame game going on last week about more people out and about is not sitting well with people...more specifically the 90% of people who are following the rules as they have been asked.
For the record I do support this lockdown and the next couple of weeks if that's what it takes (not sure if I could take much more after that) but I think a bit more openness and honesty would go a long way.

is_that_so

robbiezero wrote: »

Vacuum of leadership.

For the most part it has been good, certainly in the very early days. The problem now is the government is looking to NEHPT and the CMO for guidance and they seem just a little paralysed on that front. In that context "being in it together" is starting to sound just a little hollow. As other posters have said we need to see the plan with likely dates so we can plan our own lives as best we can.

[Deleted User]

stephenjmcd wrote: »

For anyone interested this is part of today's independent article. It'll be interesting to see the plan they come out with but if the first phase is minimal changes then what's the point? 2 more weeks then minimal changes, so basically until the end of May or is the first phase from 5th May. I'm sorry but what a load of crap, I've said it before I've been following the restrictions to the letter since the start, but after next week I'm done.

You show 'em chief.

Nermal

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabrielleigh/2020/04/27/the-predicted-coronavirus-catastrophe-hasnt-arrived-in-sweden-whats-next/#7b44042b3caf

Sweden: roads busy. Shops busy. Travel agents busy. One can avail of luxuries forgotten here such as, for instance, a haircut. Spend the evening at a packed barbeque.

Field hospitals empty.

We're in the midst of a mass delusion.

pjohnson

Gael23 wrote: »

Yes theres 7 days until May 5th but a decisinwill be made in advance of that date. Public support is diminishing so people will begin doing their own thing anyway

Making the decision to extend a hell of a lot easier.

Thanks people who know better than experts!