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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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kenmm

munsterlegend wrote: »

Then again we have no idea where things be in August.

This is exactly the problem, we are trying to make sense of and plan for things with a lot of unknowns.. very difficult task..

hmmm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

For anyone interested this is part of today's independent article. It'll be interesting to see the plan they come out with but if the first phase is minimal changes then what's the point? 2 more weeks then minimal changes, so basically until the end of May or is the first phase from 5th May. I'm sorry but what a load of crap, I've said it before I've been following the restrictions to the letter since the start, but after next week I'm done. We've kept up our side, and they've not, testing and contact tracing still aren't up to where they need to be.

Unless you have a vaccine in your back pocket, we are not "done".

Contact tracing etc is an attempt to help suppress the virus. It is not a fix.

Restrictions will continue until we get a vaccine, hopefully within 18 months. It's time for people to stop behaving like children expecting to get sweets from the government for good behaviour - this isn't about rewards, this is about suppressing the virus which is circulating.

What's happening now is exactly why the government tried to avoid locking down too early. The same crowd who were out "clapping for carers" and demanding an extreme lockdown are the same crowd I now see demanding to be left out to return to their normal lives.

drunkmonkey

stephenjmcd wrote: »

To be fair they're hardly going to say the decisions have been made so they have to come out and say nothing is decided yet, privately they know exactly what they're going to do. They're openly admitting that the public's patience is getting thin now so they're going to leave it to the last minute and say we need 2 more weeks from you, the same speech we heard 3 weeks ago.

Its testing the waters and I think they know what the response in general is now.

They don't we have 7 days more data to make the decision on. It'll be a see how it goes this week approach.

kippy

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Completely agree! Newstalk had this as headline news (restrictions to continue)??.
It’s still 7-8 long days away :eek:
I’m finding this really upsetting . None stop talk about “Will they won’t they “ for the next 7 days ?

Stop listening to as much news or being on here. Assume they will continue for two more weeks.
Try break away from reading or listening to anything about this if you find it so upsetting.
Try not worry about the uncontrollables

[Deleted User]

Pinch Flat wrote: »

No surprise on the 2 weeks additional restrictions, but sweetened by construction and some other activities being relaxed. The infection rate will spike when the testing figures catch up and the nursing homes re still not under control.

And how does allowing people go further than 5KM (or 2KM) affect Nursing homes???
I just don’t understand this.
The Government dropped then ball on nursing homes, my own mother is locked up in one........so we all have to pay the price for this on the outside ? How does me going for a 10km walk increase numbers in Nursing Homes ?

robbiezero

is_that_so wrote: »

In a vacuum like this anything can be claimed to be true. It does seem like a "source" providing the information. It's also worth noting that a further two weeks would put us almost on par with Italy and Spain in terms of extreme restrictions. That would be an awful lot of time for an outbreak that never broke the health system.

Vacuum of leadership.

SNNUS

The way they release this information is so disrespectful, clap along the government if you like and don the green jersey shoite but the virus is going nowhere so if lock down is their only forward plan don't complain when you see people out etc when walking your dog...

ChikiChiki

Spencer Brown wrote: »

A frankly astonishing statement.

Not really to be honest. That's quite the norm actually.

This type of drop gives the news a few days to sink in.

Spencer Brown

callaway92 wrote: »

Not sure what’s so astonishing about it.

Get a grip of yourself with hyperbole like that.

If the media are reporting it it must be true. Nothing strange about that declaration at all.

Penfailed

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Are we still actually trying to eliminate the virus from the country?

We were never trying to do this. It's not possible without a vaccine. We'll have to adapt to live alongside it.

Gael23

Yes theres 7 days until May 5th but a decisinwill be made in advance of that date. Public support is diminishing so people will begin doing their own thing anyway

stephenjmcd

hmmm wrote: »

Unless you have a vaccine in your back pocket, we are not "done".

Contact tracing etc is an attempt to help suppress the virus. It is not a fix.

Restrictions will continue until we get a vaccine, hopefully within 18 months. It's time for people to stop behaving like children expecting to get sweets from the government for good behaviour - this isn't about rewards, this is about suppressing the virus which is circulating.

What's happening now is exactly why the government tried to avoid locking down too early. The same crowd who were out "clapping for carers" and demanding an extreme lockdown are the same crowd I now see demanding to be left out to return to their normal lives.

Firstly I never demanded an extreme lockdown, I was supportive of the measures based on what government and hse said was the need for them to scale up and get contact tracing and testing to where they needed to be. They've had nearly 2 months to do this.

There is no "fix" there might not even be a vaccine. You can stay inside if you want until there is, I dont intend to. It's not going to go away so surpress is the only fix

easypazz

stephenjmcd wrote: »

For anyone interested this is part of today's independent article. It'll be interesting to see the plan they come out with but if the first phase is minimal changes then what's the point? 2 more weeks then minimal changes, so basically until the end of May or is the first phase from 5th May. I'm sorry but what a load of crap, I've said it before I've been following the restrictions to the letter since the start, but after next week I'm done. We've kept up our side, and they've not, testing and contact tracing still aren't up to where they need to be.

The biggest joke in that is phase 2 fast food outlets could reopen for takeaway, most of them never closed.

I've been supportive of the government in the past but this is an arse covering exercise now.

"The national lockdown will be extended for another two weeks for the vast majority of people when the current quarantine period ends after the bank holiday weekend.

The Government will announce the extension on Friday while also outlining a roadmap for lifting social-distancing restrictions over the coming months.

The only easing of working restrictions from May 5 being considered is for those who work outdoors, such as construction workers and gardeners.

Over-70s who have been asked to cocoon will be told they can exercise once a day as long as they take social-distancing precautions.

The National Public Health Emergency Team (Nphet) is still considering whether the non-essential travel ban can be extended beyond 2km.

The Nphet is meeting tomorrow morning and on Friday to discuss the step-by-step plan for easing social distancing rules over the coming months.

On Friday, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar and Health Minister Simon Harris will announce details of the plan to lift restrictions in phases.

It is understood they will say that to move between the phases key targets on limiting the spread of the virus will have to be achieved first.

The first phase will see minimal changes to lockdown rules but, if targets are met, the second stage will see more people get back to work and travel restrictions will be eased.

In the second phase, it is expected employees who can safely maintain a two-metre distance from colleagues will be allowed to return to work.

This could involve fast-food chains reopening - but only for takeaway service.

In early June, the third phase could see people who have low levels of interaction with colleagues return to work.

People who can work remotely may be asked to continue to do so until September.

There is significant concern in the Government and the Nphet that once the restrictions are lifted there will be a second wave of Covid-19 cases.

The capacity of intensive care units to handle a surge in patients presenting with the virus is also a key concern.

However, this is not an issue at present."

All these articles are just journalists making predictions, in fact we are probably doing a better job on here.

Fast food chains to be allowed reopen for takeaway?

They are already allowed open for takeaway, lots of them are, including Supermac.

Nothing new in these articles at all.

Construction to restart from next week, roadmap for everything else, phased reopening and stepback if cases get out of hand.

Nobody ever expected back to normal next Tuesday.

callaway92

Spencer Brown wrote: »

If the media are reporting it it must be true. Nothing strange about that declaration at all.

Where did I say that? Cop on to yourself and get a grip.

I was explaining how journalism works.

pjohnson

Gael23 wrote: »

Yes theres 7 days until May 5th but a decisinwill be made in advance of that date. Public support is diminishing so people will begin doing their own thing anyway

Making the decision to extend a hell of a lot easier.

Thanks people who know better than experts!

Nermal

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabrielleigh/2020/04/27/the-predicted-coronavirus-catastrophe-hasnt-arrived-in-sweden-whats-next/#7b44042b3caf

Sweden: roads busy. Shops busy. Travel agents busy. One can avail of luxuries forgotten here such as, for instance, a haircut. Spend the evening at a packed barbeque.

Field hospitals empty.

We're in the midst of a mass delusion.

[Deleted User]

stephenjmcd wrote: »

For anyone interested this is part of today's independent article. It'll be interesting to see the plan they come out with but if the first phase is minimal changes then what's the point? 2 more weeks then minimal changes, so basically until the end of May or is the first phase from 5th May. I'm sorry but what a load of crap, I've said it before I've been following the restrictions to the letter since the start, but after next week I'm done.

You show 'em chief.

is_that_so

robbiezero wrote: »

Vacuum of leadership.

For the most part it has been good, certainly in the very early days. The problem now is the government is looking to NEHPT and the CMO for guidance and they seem just a little paralysed on that front. In that context "being in it together" is starting to sound just a little hollow. As other posters have said we need to see the plan with likely dates so we can plan our own lives as best we can.

The HorsesMouth

It's seems obvious at this stage that the lockdown is being extended because they don't have different elements to control an outbreak in place i.e testing, contact tracing. How can it all hinge on a couple of admissions to ICU more than anticipated? If they feel they cant deal with a few extra admissions then why would they ever lift restrictions?! And you know I think if they came out and said to us that there have been delays but by May 14th for example we will be in a solid position to deal with it then people would accept it.
But this slight blame game going on last week about more people out and about is not sitting well with people...more specifically the 90% of people who are following the rules as they have been asked.
For the record I do support this lockdown and the next couple of weeks if that's what it takes (not sure if I could take much more after that) but I think a bit more openness and honesty would go a long way.

[Deleted User]

kippy wrote: »

Stop listening to as much news or being on here. Assume they will continue for two more weeks.
Try break away from reading or listening to anything about this if you find it so upsetting.
Try not worry about the uncontrollables

I’m not on here during the day. I’m gardening or walking.
I listen to News first thing in the morning , then 9 o clock News at night , missed it last night so I watched Claire Byrne instead. To be honest with the wall to wall coverage it’s hard to avoid it, even on car radio. It’s everywhere.

I’m not on here all day, it would wreck my head

easypazz

callaway92 wrote: »

Where did I say that? Cop on to yourself and get a grip.

I was explaining how journalism works.

You obviously don't understand how the media works.

A newspaper never refused ink.

robbiezero

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m not on here during the day. I’m gardening or walking.
I listen to News first thing in the morning , 8am, then 9 o clock News at night , missed it last night so I watched Claire Byrne instead. That’s it .

I’m not on here all day, it would wreck my head.

Your not missing anything. A lot of attention seekers butting heads for the most part.

Idbatterim

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Newstalk News at 8am saying lockdown is likely to continue............for another 2 weeks

Yeah and it will be extended after that , somebody needs to tell the government that this virus isnt going anywhere, any time soon

jonnny68

Gael23 wrote: »

Yes theres 7 days until May 5th but a decisinwill be made in advance of that date. Public support is diminishing so people will begin doing their own thing anyway

yep if they announce a 2 week extension then a substantial amount of people will do their own thing, people are at breaking point as it stands.

Tenzor07

SNNUS wrote: »

The way they release this information is so disrespectful, clap along the government if you like and don the green jersey shoite but the virus is going nowhere so if lock down is their only forward plan don't complain when you see people out etc when walking your dog...

That sort of goodwill is running out for the lockdown measures, time to start treating the people of Ireland like adults!
If we see someone about to run out in front of a Bus and get killed we will run and try and grab them back from being killed.
If we're told stay in lockdown for another 2 weeks at least with no clear plans then we're just left sat there getting annoyed, not knowing what do do other than being a healthy person confined to home.

No one I know has been tested for Covid, only this week the Fire service personnel can get tests.
Nursing homes haven't got the PPE they need to function.
Testing is still aiming for 100k tests, sure why not make it 200k tests, sounds just as aspirational!

hmmm

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The sad thing is despite all of the restrictions on the public, half of our deaths occurred in long term care settings or nursing homes. That's a failure by the department of health and the HSE not on the restrictions of the general population.

I'm not sure what you expect the HSE to do. Nursing homes have huge amounts of staff, and if we have virus spread in the community it is going to get into nursing homes. We don't have unlimited PPE, and nursing home staff can't be expected to go around wearing PPE all day. Neither can testing fix this, that only finds the virus after you've been infected.

I find it odd to see all those people on this thread saying "the government didn't protect the nursing homes" having no problem also saying that "restrictions should be lifted". The whole point of restrictions are to reduce community spread, which in turn reduces the chances nursing home workers become infected.

lord quackinton

What people want Tuesday at minimum are
All hardware stores open
All construction sites open
2km bull**** scrapped - nonsense anyway
All offices open - work remote if possible
All schools open for leaving cert students
Road map listing dates for all other important milestones

Any less and People will start breaking all restrictions

callaway92

easypazz wrote: »

You obviously don't understand how the media works.

A newspaper never refused ink.

Idbatterim

facehugger99 wrote: »

If the rumours are true about the pathetic relaxations of the current restrictions than it is clear we are dealing with a caretaker Govt. that has become paralyzed with fear and incapable to making decisions.

I hope people take it upon themselves to send a clear message that this is unacceptable.

Our jobs, prosperities and children's futures are being flushed down the toilet by a Taoiseach and Ministers too scared to face down the social-media hysteria merchants.

Yeah, but this is the governance we have had for decades, weak , populist, wanting consensus from everyone etc. They laugh at trump here, we have the other extreme, I dont know why we bother with elections, these wasters are all the same and offer nothing different, crippled with conservatism and fear

[Deleted User]

jonnny68 wrote: »

yep if they announce a 2 week extension then a substantial amount of people will do their own thing, people are at breaking point as it stands.

Count me in, I’m done with this.